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ONE MILLION Haredim planning to march against a Torah command!
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--- Quote from: Lisa on July 10, 2012, 09:36:08 PM ---I find it odd that these Haredim would firebomb the car of one of their rabbis with whom they have a difference of opinion, yet they refuse to fight againt moosie/Arab terrorists who want to destroy Israel.
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I believe it was NK (I could be wrong, but seems like them). These fools would and did stand with the arab enemy.
And with all their learning that they claim, they are complete fools and idiots. Low IQ as well.
Lisa:
--- Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on July 10, 2012, 09:39:50 PM ---Those types who would do that are all politics and very little religion.
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I don't understand.
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: Lisa on July 10, 2012, 09:48:35 PM ---I don't understand.
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They dress in very religious garb but their real life passion is politics which they try to convince themselves and others is religion, when it isn't. (ie they pass off their clearly political views, which they protest, riot, lobby for, as if they are required by Judaism and they are expressing their Jewish religion by upholding them. When in reality, they are merely a political activist group and often their views go against Judaism or at very least, conflicting views exist and are valid according to any objective opinion).
edu:
This is the oath of allegiance in Hebrew that all soldiers must take
--- Quote ---הנני נשבע(ת) ומתחייב(ת) בהן צדקי לשמור אמונים למדינת ישראל לחוקיה ולשלטונותיה המוסמכים, לקבל על עצמי ללא תנאי וללא סייג עול משמעתו של צבא הגנה לישראל, לציית לכל הפקודות וההוראות הניתנות על ידי המפקדים המוסמכים ולהקדיש את כל כוחותיי ואף להקריב את חיי להגנת המולדת ולחירות ישראל.
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Which says that I accept allegiance to the state and the army to its laws and officers, without any precondition at all and I will obey all orders by officers etc.
When I was in the army, I asked the soldier who was in charge of my unit straight out, does this mean if the Rabbis say in the name of the Torah it is forbidden to evict Jewish settlers and the army says otherwise, you are obligating yourself to follow army law above Torah law.
He said yes.
I told him that in that case I don't accept the loyalty oath and do to me what you want, I am not taking it. However, I had a question if it was sufficient to just tell everyone in my unit about my plans, but stand at the ceremony or to refuse even to stand at the oath ceremony.
edu:
excerpt from: http://www.vilnagaon.org/mount/draft_resistance.htm
--- Quote ---Refusing Orders for the Sake of the Mitzva of Tzitzit - from the B'Sheva Newspaper article written on 30th of Av 5766 [the story appears in Rabbi Eliezer Melamed's article]
Displaying Tzizit in the Army
About a month ago a group of students were drafted for army service. If in every place there is a mitzva to display one's Tzitzit so that they will be seen on the outside, for it was stated (Number 15,39) "And you shall see it and you shall remember all the commandments of Hashem and you shall do them and you shall not go astray after your hearts and after your eyes that you lust after them"; behold in the army, where in this framework we are warned especially to guard ourselves from every evil thing, the mitzva is doubled many times over.
And so too did the Shulchan Aruch rule (O.C. 8:11): "The main mitzva of the small Talit {Talit Katan} is to wear it over one's clothes in order that it shall continually be seen and he will remember the commandments". However, in the name of The Ari it was stated, that the place of the small Talit is to be under the clothes. And many of the Jews of Sephardi origin are accustomed based on this to hide even their Tzitzit (YCHV"D 2:1). However the 'Magen Avraham' (8,13) explained that the intent was to hide the garment however, the Tzitzit have to be displayed. Furthermore, in his opinion, when the Tzitzit threads are not displayed there is a great doubt if one fulfills the mitzva.
Our teacher and Rabbi, Rabbi Tzvi Yehuda Kook ZT"L, head of "Yeshivat Mercaz Harav", would over and over again repeat and recall the words of the 'Magen Avraham', that one is required to display on the outside his Tzitzit, so that they will be seen and by means of this, they will remember all the commandments. Continuing on with this line of reasoning, he would teach his students that one should be careful about displaying one's Tzitzit in the army, except for those situations where security requirements demand that they be hidden.
The Case in Golani
For the bad luck of the students that were drafted to the Golani {branch of the army}, the Major at "boot camp" was religious. And now you already understand everything.
In the beginning they decreed upon them to put their Tzitzit inside. They {the students} insisted to take them out. Afterwards they decreed to wrap them around the belt. They {the students} insisted to let a greater length of the Tzitzit be displayed. Even the chaplain {rabbi} of the army stood on the side of the commander. However, from the Military Branch of the Chief Rabbinate, an order descended afterwards that permits the display of Tzitzit in most cases.
The end result was that the seven youths were judged for fourteen days of military confinement and one of them who did not agree to be judged by a minor commander received a decree of 21 days. However, they continue to display their Tzitzit. Also other soldiers that were afraid at the beginning to display their Tzitzit began to display them. Praised be you who were caught on account of matters of Torah {end of quote}.
In my opinion, if it is already permissible to struggle for the sake of the Tzitzit [even at the time of war] it is permissible to struggle for the sake of saving our brothers, who are going to die because of the Christian Morality of "Purity of Arms".
What do I mean by the "Purity of Arms"? An example of this is the statement by Cabinet Minister Avi Dichter of Ehud Olmert's government that was quoted by the left wing Haaretz news {in Hebrew} on the internet on Tuesday the 21st of Av 5766, {Secular Date August 15, 2006}.
"To what extent is the government involved with the question of morality when it grants permission to military operations?"
"Dichter: In not a small amount of the discussions of the government, the dilemma is until what point do we untie the rope and give the I.D.F. a free hand. I will give you an example, namely, the operation of Marines {or Navy} Unit 13 in Tyre. You have no idea what type of danger there was in this operation. There was there a building many stories high with 80 apartments and 400 inhabitants.
The intent was to attack about 20 terrorists there. A one-ton bomb would destroy the building and the 400 civilians would be killed. It is clear to me that the U.S.A., England, and Russia would have done this. But I am very proud that the I.D.F. did not think of this option. I have no doubt that in the long run this approach keeps us human. In the day that we turn into animals then we will also act as animals. To my personal happiness , in this topic we preserve the human image. There is no asset more valuable than the human image."
In contrast to Avi Dichter, Moshe {Moses} had a very different moral ideal.
"Now Moshe was intensely angry at the officers of the army, namely, the Commanders of thousands and the Commanders of hundreds, that came back from the army that had engaged in the war. Now Moshe said to them, have you kept alive all the females. Behold they were by the counsel of Bi'laam a cause for making Israel transgress in the matter of Pe'or and the plague struck against the congregation of Hashem. And now kill all the young males and every woman who has gone to bed with a man you shall kill. And all the youngest female children that have not known the bed of a man you shall keep alive for yourselves." {Numbers Chapter 31; also see Rabbi Elitzur Segel's article in Tzipia Volume 3 where he brings many halachic sources to show that it would be permissible for a Jewish army to blow up a building that has a mixture of terrorists and enemy civilians within it.}
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