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ONE MILLION Haredim planning to march against a Torah command!
Tag-MehirTzedek:
--- Quote from: Lisa on July 10, 2012, 08:13:09 PM ---1) What if they had their own male only units?
2) Also, if King David went out and fought Israel's enemies, why can't these Haredim?
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Their already are. Rav Kahane ZTL HYD also proposed this as well. See his essay in this book (I know its here, but don't know which 1 exactly but remember reading it in this volume, parts of the articles are available here.
http://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Words-Selected-1960-1990-1988-1989/dp/1463689225/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1341966649&sr=8-1&keywords=Meir+kahane+6
2) apparently they know better.
Tag-MehirTzedek:
--- Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on July 10, 2012, 08:35:13 PM ---No, it's not because of the army throwing Jews out of their homes. It is only rare ideological purists like me who feel this way about the army. Most of the people who feel that way and refuse to serve on account of the army throwing Jews out of their homes and being an arab loving disgrace, are DATI LEUMI not haredim.
The haredi society has been convinced (you might call it brainwashed) that serving in an army is not acceptable activity for a young man. Only full time kollel learning is acceptable. Similarly, employment is viewed with disdain. People getting jobs instead of kollel are viewed as lower beings and they are socially outcast. This is how it is in haredi communities in Israel. Those who attribute other reasons to their opposition to army service are liars. The Nahal Haredi unit was formed specifically for haredim who cannot sit and learn but want to do their service so that they can then (legally) get jobs. That unit is up to the strictest haredi standards as set out by rebbeim. Many haredi rabbis spoke out against even this unit, and many haredim attacked the one prominent rav who was for it. (They even firebombed his car - some respect they have for gedolim).
Their answer to that question? 'It was different then. Now Jewish men must learn. That will bring moshiach.' That is what they think. I certainly do not agree with that point of view.
And anyone who tries to claim otherwise simply does not understand haredim or is simply lying.
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True and agreed. I would also like to add that many of them view it as if they are living in the Galut, for example in Czarist Russia. It is often said by them that "we are in galut" by those living in the center of JERUSHALAYIM of all places. Apparently that is where their minds are.
I know and heard of the incident of Rav Steinman who supported Nahal Haredi (which has many very fine warriors, many of them Dati-Leumi as well). Apparently their excuse of "the Gedolim say ______" does not stand especially where one of the "Gedolim" said opposite of what they preached, but then we are told he is not a "Gadol". Go figure. ( If you or someone has an article from he news or other place on this I would appreciate it)
Tag-MehirTzedek:
Lisa (and those interested) its page 143 from the link I posted earlier
Search inside the book here
http://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Words-Selected-1960-1990-1988-1989/dp/1463689225/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1341966649&sr=8-1&keywords=Meir+kahane+6
Lisa:
I find it odd that these Haredim would firebomb the car of one of their rabbis with whom they have a difference of opinion, yet they refuse to fight againt moosie/Arab terrorists who want to destroy Israel.
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: Lisa on July 10, 2012, 09:36:08 PM ---I find it odd that these Haredim would firebomb the car of one of their rabbis with whom they have a difference of opinion, yet they refuse to fight againt moosie/Arab terrorists who want to destroy Israel.
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Those types who would do that are all politics and very little religion.
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