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ONE MILLION Haredim planning to march against a Torah command!
muman613:
It looks like that picture is posted on Baruch Cohens blog... Very interesting that I just listened to Baruch Cohen talking with Shifra Hoffman on Tamar Yonahs radio show...
http://attorneysdefendingisrael.blogspot.com/2010/12/rabbi-meir-kahane-ztl.html
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: edu on July 10, 2012, 06:27:03 PM ---Yerusha, you are probably not aware, that the IDF makes every soldier take an oath or at least an affirmation, that their commitment to the State overrides their commitment to Torah.
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. Never heard of this. I don't believe that is the case. Source?
--- Quote ---I also know of various anti-religious decrees that the army currently imposes on its soldiers.
The army currently is not being used just only to fight.
It is being used to advance phoney peace deals and to evict Jews from their homes.
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That's not the point of this discussion however. They are opposed to army service IN PRINCIPLE. Even if rav eliashiv was prime minister.
Lisa:
I don't understand why any religious Jews would be opposed to army service. What if they had their own male only units? Is it because they don't want to throw Jews out of their homes? Or would they still be opposed even in a Torah true, right wing Israel?
Also, if King David went out and fought Israel's enemies, why can't these Haredim?
Tag-MehirTzedek:
--- Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on July 10, 2012, 07:58:18 PM ---
That's not the point of this discussion however. They are opposed to army service IN PRINCIPLE. Even if rav eliashiv was prime minister.
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What principle? They simply could have gotten away with it for all this time. funny how some of them are screaming "Shmad" and other such terms, yett did not say s@#% when it came to Gush Katif.
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: Lisa on July 10, 2012, 08:13:09 PM ---I don't understand why any religious Jews would be opposed to army service. What if they had their own male only units? Is it because they don't want to throw Jews out of their homes? Or would they still be opposed even in a Torah true, right wing Israel?
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No, it's not because of the army throwing Jews out of their homes. It is only rare ideological purists like me who feel this way about the army. Most of the people who feel that way and refuse to serve on account of the army throwing Jews out of their homes and being an arab loving disgrace, are DATI LEUMI not haredim. haredim are already exempt so this doesn't even come up for them.
The haredi society has been convinced (you might call it brainwashed) that serving in an army is not acceptable activity for a young man. Only full time kollel learning is acceptable. Similarly, employment is viewed with disdain. People getting jobs instead of kollel are viewed as lower beings and they are socially outcast. This is how it is in haredi communities in Israel. Those who attribute other reasons to their opposition to army service are liars. The Nahal Haredi unit was formed specifically for haredim who cannot sit and learn but want to do their service so that they can then (legally) get jobs. That unit is up to the strictest haredi standards as set out by rebbeim. Many haredi rabbis spoke out against even this unit, and many haredim attacked the one prominent rav who was for it. (They even firebombed his car - some respect they have for gedolim).
--- Quote ---Also, if King David went out and fought Israel's enemies, why can't these Haredim?
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Their answer to that question? 'It was different then. Now Jewish men must learn. That will bring moshiach.' That is what they think. I certainly do not agree with that point of view.
And anyone who tries to claim otherwise simply does not understand haredim or is simply lying.
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