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HaRav Elyashiv z'l and the Haredi Mind — Part 01
edu:
We are making new medical discoveries all the time and the average age that people in advanced countries are living to is going up.
My guess is that sometime within the next hundred years we will discover, medical cures and techniques to vastly increase the life span of the average man.
How quickly we discover these techniques might be affected by the spiritual merits of the generation.
Tag-MehirTzedek:
--- Quote from: edu on August 10, 2012, 01:29:33 AM ---We are making new medical discoveries all the time and the average age that people in advanced countries are living to is going up.
My guess is that sometime within the next hundred years we will discover, medical cures and techniques to vastly increase the life span of the average man.
How quickly we discover these techniques might be affected by the spiritual merits of the generation.
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I know and agree on that. Those discoveries and time has not arrived yett. I'm still not shocked that someone died at 102, actually surprised the other way around that someone passed 100.
muman613:
--- Quote from: Tag-MehirTzedek on August 10, 2012, 02:09:26 AM --- I know and agree on that. Those discoveries and time has not arrived yett. I'm still not shocked that someone died at 102, actually surprised the other way around that someone passed 100.
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I know a man in my Minyan, Colonel Phil, who is 98 and he is fully functional and takes care of himself. He has lived a healthy life, served in our military during WWII, and I am proud to know him...
Tag-MehirTzedek:
--- Quote from: muman613 on August 10, 2012, 02:13:27 AM ---I know a man in my Minyan, Colonel Phil, who is 98 and he is fully functional and takes care of himself. He has lived a healthy life, served in our military during WWII, and I am proud to know him...
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Very good, he is an exemption and that is why you are mentioning him.
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: Tag-MehirTzedek on August 09, 2012, 10:36:21 AM --- That time has not yett come. When mentioning Rav Elyashiv's death and age of 102 not 1 person responds, woow what a young fellow.
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A very key point in response to what edu posted. No one on earth today thinks 102 is a shortened lifespan, especially considering the average lifespan for women in America is 70 something, and for men I think it's 60-something. Or maybe lower 70's. Either way, women live longer on average.
And if someone lives a life longer than average lifespan, who in their right mind would accuse them of having their lifespan shortened?
In addition, why would anyone think that any person or any rabbi would live forever as a default option? Doesn't Judaism say that after the sin of adam and eve, man can no longer live forever, and thus what we experience is that people always die, without exception?
Lastly, I'm sure the very same people who tell us we're not in the process or beginning stages of redemption despite the fact that some promises of the prophets have been fulfilled and millions of Jews now live in a rejuvenated Eretz Yisrael, these same people will cite us what edu cited Yishayahu/Isaiah 65:20 and say these vague words about lifespan have already been fulfilled? And therefore Rav Eliashiv would have lived forever if not for sins of other people? Zero logic involved here.
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