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Tag-MehirTzedek:
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Some claim that it was, and that the way to rebuild it is to study the Halakhoth of Lashon HaRa.  This approach is spurious. What else did Hazal say about the reasons for the Temple's destruction?

Why don't we have the Temple today? Could the fact that we have not built it have something to do with it?

muman613:

--- Quote from: Tag-MehirTzedek on July 29, 2012, 05:32:35 PM ---http://machonshilo.org/en/eng/list-audio-shiurim/41-audiohalakha/328-was-the-temple-destroyed-because-of-hatred

Some claim that it was, and that the way to rebuild it is to study the Halakhoth of Lashon HaRa.  This approach is spurious. What else did Hazal say about the reasons for the Temple's destruction?

Why don't we have the Temple today? Could the fact that we have not built it have something to do with it?

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Even if a building was built today do you really think that the building would stand? I don't think that a vast majority of Jews are prepared to accept the repercussions of having a realy true Holy Temple where the Shechina dwells. I am all for taking steps to rebuild the Temple and look forward to the day when we have it. But I also don't think that by just building a building that the Shechina will dwell in it as she did in the two Holy Temples.

I have heard many Rabbis address what needs to be done to ensure that the third Temple will be the Final Temple which will stand till the end of time, and certainly be the Temple of the times of Moshiach.

I will add that I think that we should be prepared to build it and not allow others to occupy it, as the muslim waqf is doing currently. We should be taking the steps to remove all impediments to rebuilding so that when we have the required unity of the nation of Israel, we will be able to build it.

Tag-MehirTzedek:

--- Quote from: muman613 on July 29, 2012, 08:13:55 PM ---Even if a building was built today do you really think that the building would stand? I don't think that a vast majority of Jews are prepared to accept the repercussions of having a realy true Holy Temple where the Shechina dwells. I am all for taking steps to rebuild the Temple and look forward to the day when we have it. But I also don't think that by just building a building that the Shechina will dwell in it as she did in the two Holy Temples.

I have heard many Rabbis address what needs to be done to ensure that the third Temple will be the Final Temple which will stand till the end of time, and certainly be the Temple of the times of Moshiach.

I will add that I think that we should be prepared to build it and not allow others to occupy it, as the muslim waqf is doing currently. We should be taking the steps to remove all impediments to rebuilding so that when we have the required unity of the nation of Israel, we will be able to build it.

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 Of course it will stand if we do the necessary things to ensure that. Dont the Mooslims want all of Israel destroyed? Why is some tall building in Tel-Aviv standing (while they want to destroy it) and yett the Temple wont stand if we rebuilt it? We should obviously drive gthe enemies out of Israel, re-built the Temple and do what is necessary to protect it and the nation from any harm.
  This is the real solution and not the fantasy we unfortunalty hear too often. I suggest you hear the shiur before commenting on it.

muman613:
Tag,

I really try to like this rabbi, I was listening to it and unfortunately he lost me. He seems to see the worst in all Jews, ascribing all kinds of intentions which are not there. He saw a sign saying that "Ahavat Chinam" is the rectification for the destruction and then he went on to assume that they believe the Temple will fall from the sky. These kinds of things are the very problem with the Jewish people today, always looking at the other and ascribing things which are not there to them.

I would rather just go back to ignoring this rabbi, if you find this enlightening, then I will not complain. But sincerely I do believe that Jewish unity is essential for rebuilding the Temple and having the divine presence dwell there. I cannot see Hashem dwelling with the Jewish people today. I do not want to imagine his rage at the state of the Jewish people today.

The evil prophet Bilaam attempted to curse the Jewish people and all that Hashem allowed him to say were blessings. So many Jews today engage in the very same sin that they did when the second Temple was destroyed. I believe that the sages of the Talmud genuinely believed that this is what led to the destruction of the Temple. Because if they were more united, and did not hate each other, they would have been strengthened against the Romans.

I do not believe that the Temple will 'fall from heaven' but in a way Hashem will strengthen the people to want to rebuild it. It is a combination of factors, we must make the effort and Hashem will respond measure for measure...

I am not criticizing but I do not find this approach helpful in my case...

Tag-MehirTzedek:

--- Quote from: muman613 on July 29, 2012, 08:42:56 PM ---Tag,

 He saw a sign saying that "Ahavat Chinam" is the rectification for the destruction and then he went on to assume that they believe the Temple will fall from the sky.

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  Tell me that you did not hear this word at least 1ce today? I could bet you a million bucks that you did. And I have heard some of these people before and yes they do advocate that the Temple will fall from heaven and other similar things. I can also almost bet that in none of the shiurim you heard today was it mentioned that the Temple should be physically built by us. I'm not hating on them, but these are facts of that type of Haskaffa that is prevalent. Their is no such thing as "Ahavat Hinam" their are the laws of the Torah including loving one's fellow Jew when it is appropriate.

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