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A Question for all Jews
« on: July 30, 2012, 07:52:31 PM »
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A Question for all Jews         
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MONDAY, 30 JULY 2012 22:05
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A Question for all Jews


Rabbi David Bar-Hayim                  11-05-65  │  30-07-2012


In a recent response regarding fasting on Tish'a b'Av, I wrote:

On this day we do not just commemorate past events; we examine ‘Am Yisrael’s failure to live up to its mission to establish a nation-state based on the principles and precepts of the Tora, and plan how to rectify this state of affairs.

I was somewhat surprised when a reader questioned this statement and requested to know on what basis it was made. Frankly, I wasn't just surprised; I was perturbed. The reader clearly felt that on Tish'a b'Av we commemorate a tragedy that occurred nearly 2000 years ago, a periodic maintenance of our national memory bank… and that's it.

But that's not it at all. What is the purpose of mourning an ancient calamity if not to awaken us to action?

Rambam z'l writes that the purpose of these fast days is to "awaken our hearts and lead us to T'shuva", because the recollection of our sins and those of our forefathers', and their concomitant negative results, will cause us to mend our ways (Hilkhoth Ta'aniyoth 5:1). Hazal teach us that HASHEM saw the heart-felt repentance of the people of Nin’we, not their sackcloth (see Yona 3:10; Mishna Ta’aniyoth 2:1; Mishna B’rura 549:1). Fasting is not the purpose; it is a means to an end.

The question is: On what should we be focusing?

The Talmud (TB Yoma 9b), acknowledging that the Jewish people put much energy into the study of Tora during the Second Temple period, asks why the Miqdash was nevertheless destroyed. The initial answer given is Sinath Hinam (baseless hatred).

Some people take this to mean that the sin we are required to address during these days is Lashon HaRa’. Their rationale is that if people cease speaking Lashon HaRa’ there will be less hatred between us, and then…..

And then what?

The unspoken assumption is that the Miqdash will then somehow miraculously materialize. This is why every year, during the month leading up to Tisha’ b’Av, posters appear all over my Jerusalem neighbourhood exhorting people to study the Haphess Hayim’s books on Lashon HaRa’. It is no coincidence that in the background of these posters one will always find an image of the Beth Miqdash. The equation goes like this: Sinath Hinam=Lashon HaRa’, ergo no Lashon HaRa’=no Sinath Hinam=Miqdash. The way to build a Miqdash is to refrain from Lashon Hara’.

I refer to this as Galuth-Mode G’ula Mechanics (GMGM). According to this thesis, Jews can only bring about change in this world by pressing spiritual buttons in other worlds. Initiating change in this world based on planning and forethought – such as building a Miqdash by actually building it – is unknown in this description of the universe.

I do not believe in GMGM. If people ceased speaking Lashon HaRa’ there would almost certainly be less animosity and hatred in the world, but there would still be no Miqdash. Why? Because the way to build a Miqdash is to build it. And seeing that erecting the Miqdash – not to mention redesigning and rebuilding the Old City of Jerusalem (a self-evident requisite) – is a national endeavour of major proportions and not a project that might be successfully undertaken by a bunch of enthusiasts, we are talking about the Jewish state being led by a regime motivated and informed by such a vision. Before you can build, you have to want to build.

The Meaning of Sinath Hinam

So what of the Sinath Hinam mentioned in the Talmud?

Shabtai Ben-Dov explains that the Sinath Hinam of the Talmud refers to a symptom of an underlying malaise: the mysterious inability of the Jewish people to mobilize and act in accordance with HASHEM’s plan for ‘Am Yisrael and the world.

The fundamental issue is the lack of an overall vision for the Jewish nation. When the Jewish people loses sight of its national purpose, when it cannot motivate itself beyond maintaining the status quo, when it makes do with Galuth-mode Judaism even when in Eress Yisrael, it inexorably degenerates into the European model of class war and economic interests. Lacking any higher purpose, society becomes fractured and directionless.

This is precisely what happened to Jewish society during the Second Temple period when parties and factions flourished. (Think P’rushim, Ssadhoqim, Baythosim, Siqari’im). This should remind you of something; it is nothing more than a description of the Western political system of parties representing different sets of interests which by definition must oppose and hate each other in their struggle for supremacy. Sinath Hinam.

During the Second Temple period, our forefathers adopted the foreign, individualist paradigm, the weltanschauung of  ‘Esaw (Esau) who was willing to trade his birthright for pottage. They split into groups that strived for two things: wealth and political power.

Shabtai Ben-Dov’s insightful explanation is echoed by Hazal: “We know that during the days of the last Miqdash, they studied the Tora diligently and were careful with regards to Ma’asroth. Why, therefore, were they exiled? Because they loved wealth and hated one another” (Tosephta M’nahoth 13:4).

When a nation’s leaders are obsessed with wealth and power, all idealism goes by the bye. Even Tora study, when divorced from a determination to “walk the walk”, cannot save us. To be a Jew is to be an idealist, to live for an idea bigger than oneself. This is the essential difference between the Jewish people and their civilisation and every other nation on earth.

This Tosephta is a good example of the Tora of Eress Yisrael being transmitted by the Talmud Bavli in Galuth shorthand. The EY version of the Tosephta describes a societal malaise, a nation that has lost its way; the TB’s Galuth version suggests only individual shortcomings in the realm of inter-personal relationships (midoth). Only very specific and limited wavelengths – the aspects of Tora relevant in Galuth – can be received in Exile.

Seeing the Whole Picture

The Talmud’s statement refering to Sinath Hinam as the cause of our downfall 2000 years ago is only part of the answer. To the blight of Sinath Hinam we must add the fact, pointed out by R. Shim’on ben Laqish on the very same page of the Talmud, that at the beginning of the Second Temple period the Jewish people failed to rise up and return to their homeland in order to fulfill our nation’s purpose. If we comprehend and internalize that these two statements describe one and the same malady, then we have all the explanation we could possibly require for the fall of the second commonwealth.

Today the Jewish nation is in the process of returning to its home. Zionism, the movement that brought us home, can take us no further. We are neither non-Zionists nor anti-Zionists. In truth, we are post-Zionists in the sense that we have graduated beyond what Zionism had to offer.

We are in dire need of the all-encompassing vision and purpose which were always beyond the horizon of secular Zionism. That vision and purpose are in the Tora, and HASHEM is waiting for us to act.

THE question that all Jews must ask themselves daily is how and where we go from here.

On Tisha’a b’Av the question is just that much more pressing.

http://machonshilo.org/en/eng/component/content/article/34-featured/609-a-question-for-all-jews
.   ד  עֹזְבֵי תוֹרָה, יְהַלְלוּ רָשָׁע;    וְשֹׁמְרֵי תוֹרָה, יִתְגָּרוּ בָם
4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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Re: A Question for all Jews
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2012, 08:24:21 PM »
This is a good explanation. The Sinat Chinam led to the inability for the Jewish people to unite, and further divided us causing jealousy and envy. This is my understanding of what the Rabbi is trying to say.
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

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Re: A Question for all Jews
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2012, 01:57:07 AM »
One might misunderstand from the quote of Rabbi Bar Hayim, shlit"a that it is wrong to hate those that halacha, considers heretics. Rabbi Meir Kahane brings clear proof in his book Ohr Haraayon, that one should hate true heretics.
If you are looking for a more nationalistic interpretation of Tisha Ba'av it is better to point out that the roots of the decree of destruction of Tisha Ba'av started with acceptance of the slander of the spies against the land of Israel, which took place on Tisha Ba'av in the time of Moshe.
The causeless hatred in the 2nd Temple people, (such as in the Kamtza, Bar Kamtza story) was just another example of people putting petty considerations over the national goal of conquering the land of Israel and evicting, all evil gentiles that have not obtained the status of Ger Toshav.

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Re: A Question for all Jews
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2012, 02:25:33 AM »
One might misunderstand from the quote of Rabbi Bar Hayim, shlit"a that it is wrong to hate those that halacha, considers heretics. Rabbi Meir Kahane brings clear proof in his book Ohr Haraayon, that one should hate true heretics.
If you are looking for a more nationalistic interpretation of Tisha Ba'av it is better to point out that the roots of the decree of destruction of Tisha Ba'av started with acceptance of the slander of the spies against the land of Israel, which took place on Tisha Ba'av in the time of Moshe.
The causeless hatred in the 2nd Temple people, (such as in the Kamtza, Bar Kamtza story) was just another example of people putting petty considerations over the national goal of conquering the land of Israel and evicting, all evil gentiles that have not obtained the status of Ger Toshav.

Everyone agrees that the root of the destruction was due to the sin of the spies. It is this reason that the destruction occurred on Tisha B'Av.

I will say again that the baseless hatred which the Talmud discusses was what led to the disintegration of the national goals. When people spend too much time looking for what they hate in their neighbors they soon loose the ability to unite against the enemy. It is this baseless hatred which is occurring today between various factions of religious Jews in Israel and in the diaspora, which I believe is keeping us from achieving our goals.

The Torah has a good deal of commandments which deal with interpersonal relations between Jew and Jew. Does anyone who believes in the Torah believe that these commandments are spurious? I believe that the interpersonal mitzvahs are of primary concern in order to be righteous in the eyes of Hashem, in our own eyes, in the eyes of the nations.

The Torah also provides the laws pertaining to national defense and indeed we need not love our enemies. If we were more united between the religious Jews then I think we could affect the somewhat religious Jews. And by doing so we could gain power in order to achieve the rebuilding of the Temple.

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

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Re: A Question for all Jews
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2012, 09:49:36 AM »
One might misunderstand from the quote of Rabbi Bar Hayim, shlit"a that it is wrong to hate those that halacha, considers heretics. Rabbi Meir Kahane brings clear proof in his book Ohr Haraayon, that one should hate true heretics.

 I didn't see that. Where?
.   ד  עֹזְבֵי תוֹרָה, יְהַלְלוּ רָשָׁע;    וְשֹׁמְרֵי תוֹרָה, יִתְגָּרוּ בָם
4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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Re: A Question for all Jews
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2012, 01:57:11 PM »
To answer Tag-MehirTzedek
It's in Ohr Haraayon, chapter 10, page 96 Hebrew edition.

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Re: A Question for all Jews
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2012, 03:15:22 PM »
To answer Tag-MehirTzedek
It's in Ohr Haraayon, chapter 10, page 96 Hebrew edition.

 I know, I meant to ask about " that it is wrong to hate those that halacha, considers heretics."

 What suggested that? Both Rabbis agree to this as is evident in both their writings (and lectures as well).
.   ד  עֹזְבֵי תוֹרָה, יְהַלְלוּ רָשָׁע;    וְשֹׁמְרֵי תוֹרָה, יִתְגָּרוּ בָם
4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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Re: A Question for all Jews
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2012, 01:31:02 AM »
Tag_MehirTzedek wanted to know why I thought Rabbi Bar Hayim, shlit"a might wrongly be interpreted on the halacha of hating heretics.
Because as stated above in his name he said:
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This is precisely what happened to Jewish society during the Second Temple period when parties and factions flourished. (Think P’rushim, Ssadhoqim, Baythosim, Siqari’im). This should remind you of something; it is nothing more than a description of the Western political system of parties representing different sets of interests which by definition must oppose and hate each other in their struggle for supremacy. Sinath Hinam.
Hating Ssadhoqim and Baythosim is not Sinath Hinam. It is a mitzva to hate them.
This is leaving aside the question if for pragmatic reasons, we should ignore the internal enemies of Israel, if it will weaken our hand against the external empires that threaten Israel.

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Re: A Question for all Jews
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2012, 03:28:03 AM »
One might misunderstand from the quote of Rabbi Bar Hayim, shlit"a that it is wrong to hate those that halacha, considers heretics.

Didn't see that in there at all.  Anywhere.

Do you feel the same way about all the posters which call for us to end sinath chinam?