Orthodox Jews get glasses to blur out women

[Lisa]

I don't understand something here.

The article says you can see clearly what's close to you.  But that they blur what's further away.  So what happens if an immodestly clad (by ultra Orthodox standards) walks right by you? 

On another note, I hope they don't use these glasses when they're driving. 

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Please please PLEASE tell me this is a joke!

This is extremely dangerous!

[The One and Only Mo]

Mo, please! Language!  I'm editing your posts. 

Edited by Lisa

sorry, was upset. wasn;t thinking.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

These people are going to extreme lengths to fight a super strong yetzer hara, and you people think it's a negative thing? These people are prepared for mesiras nefesh. This is a beautiful thing.

Mesiras nefesh lterally like when they get hit by an israeli driver because they couldn't see where they were walking while crossing the street?  Is suicide considered "mesiras nefesh?"  No, it's a sin.  Is putting yourself in a sakana mesiras nefesh?   
Is it permitted to purposely damage your eyesight (which I'm pretty sure wearing this kind of blurred lenses will do over time)?  It sounds like you want to defend whatever frum people do but this to me is clearly a stupid thing some people are doing

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

It's like getting a filter for ur internet. It's a fence.

Except its not like that.  This would be like taking a computer and smashing it on the ground like tarzan. 

And we do not have the authority after chasimas hashas to make up our own fences.  But I guess you must mean a similar concept but not actual "takana's"

[Lisa]

What's chasimas hashas?  And how does that apply to making fences?

[The One and Only Mo]

Mesiras nefesh lterally like when they get hit by an israeli driver because they couldn't see where they were walking while crossing the street?  Is suicide considered "mesiras nefesh?"  No, it's a sin.  Is putting yourself in a sakana mesiras nefesh?   
Is it permitted to purposely damage your eyesight (which I'm pretty sure wearing this kind of blurred lenses will do over time)?  It sounds like you want to defend whatever frum people do but this to me is clearly a stupid thing some people are doing

I'm sure it's only for sidewalk use or at malls, and if it ruined their vision it WOULD be assur and they wouldn't be doing it. There's no sakana otherwise they wouldn't do it. It's just to not see pretty women. Everything else is taken care of, don't jump to conclusions.

[The One and Only Mo]

Except its not like that.  This would be like taking a computer and smashing it on the ground like tarzan. 

And we do not have the authority after chasimas hashas to make up our own fences.  But I guess you must mean a similar concept but not actual "takana's"

It's not an official fence, but neither was the asifa. What's the difference? It's a precaution. Plenty of things nowadays are instituted by Orthodox Rabbis, and this wasn't one of those things; it's just some fad that'll catch on. Besides, what's wrong with smashing a computer it prevents aveiros? Not everybody is as strong-willed as you are. Just because you either hate religious people or think you are more religious than them doesn't give you the right to tell a person how to fight his/yetzer hara.

[✡ Hindu Zionist ॐ]

I do believe that the ultra orthodox jews have got the self control, These glasses could be for those just starting out in this sect/form of Judaism.

Many Hindu/Buddhist aesthetics also go away and live in jungles/Himalayas, to keep themselves away from falling prey to this mesmerizing world, it does not mean they wont have self control if they stay in the daily lives among the people.

At least they are doing something, better than poking nuns in the Church, in the guise of celibate Priests.

[cjd]

I do believe that the ultra orthodox jews have got the self control, These glasses could be for those just starting out in this sect/form of Judaism.

Many Hindu/Buddhist aesthetics also go away and live in jungles/Himalayas, to keep themselves away from falling prey to this mesmerizing world, it does not mean they wont have self control if they stay in the daily lives among the people.

At least they are doing something, better than poking nuns in the Church, in the guise of celibate Priests.

Well possibly the celibate priests should get them self some glasses also.   

[USAReturn2GodNow1776]

i dont know, but i had read somewhere that ultra orthodox jews are not Zionist?

Me too. In fact, Bill Maher interviewed one of them in his movie. Apparently some of them think that Zionism will happen in some later age when the messiah comes but that the Jews must continue to live among the nations until then. 

[✡ Hindu Zionist ॐ]

Well possibly the celibate priests should get them self some glasses also.   

The priests will certainly get those glasses for those nuns, so that the nuns wouldn't recognize who ogle at them. 

[The One and Only Mo]

Me too. In fact, Bill Maher interviewed one of them in his movie. Apparently some of them think that Zionism will happen in some later age when the messiah comes but that the Jews must continue to live among the nations until then. 

Some are, some aren't.

[The One and Only Mo]

Charedi technology to fight the war on pritzus

http://www.bloglovin.com/frame?post=533938753&frame_type=fb&blog=1786510&link=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5mcnVtc2F0aXJlLm5ldC8yMDEyLzA4LzA5L2NoYXJlZGktdGVjaG5vbG9neS10by1maWdodC10aGUtd2FyLW9uLXByaXR6dXMv

Now that we have blurry glasses, kosher phones and internet chavrusas to aid in the war on pritzus I was wondering what other technological innovations the Charedi world might come up with to stay one step ahead of those women wishing to bring immorality into our lives by dressing immodesty or leaving the home. I came up with a list of ideas that could definitely help the Charedi world stay up on the technological front because burning dumpsters, spitting on  little girls and boycotts won’t work forever – we live in a world f innovation and it’s time the ultra orthodox world used it to their advantage. New ways for Charedim to fight against pritzus:

Cars that automatically run over any pedestrians that are dressed untznius.

GPS systems that pinpoint all of the untznius billboards so you can avoid them.

Blindfolds with GPS so you don’t even have to chas v’shalom look 3 feet ahead of you – definitely the next step beyond those blurry glasses.

Automatic skirt measure turnstiles in order to get into frum neighborhoods

Digital tznius signs like the one’s in Mea Shearim that show pictures of girls getting bleached because they were wearing red.

Computers that shock you if you try to access forbidden sites, because someone is always screwing with the web filter.

Ejection seats on buses so we can get women out of the front without making a scene.

Strollers that automatically guide the woman home during hours when she’s not allowed to be outside.

Cameras that detect breaches of the neighborhood tznius code and send out an alert to all the unemployed riot starters in the neighborhood.

Dumpsters that burst into flames whenever an untznius woman walks past.

Untznius dummies that taze anyone who doesn’t look down when walking past.

Rebbe holograms that appear randomly at places most prone to breaches of the tznius code.

Red light cameras that can also see if a woman is driving or wearing her seat belt illegally.

[cjd]

The priests will certainly get those glasses for those nuns, so that the nuns wouldn't recognize who ogle at them. 

Sounds like a good arrangement to me... Personally I could care less what the priest and nuns do between themselves... It's the other activities that were distressing... Still and all I am sure things like that can be found going on with clergy of all religions once the anti-religious media puts their mind to exposing it... The RCC being one of the largest religions was the first to be exposed it doesn't mean they are the only ones that have skeletons in the closet...  Roman Catholics were willing to cut their clergy loose when the abuse became wide spread... My question is how many Pastors, Rabbis, Muslim Clerics, snake charming and rat worshiping others are being covered for by their congregations for now.... Time will tell.   

[✡ Hindu Zionist ॐ]

Sounds like a good arrangement to me... Personally I could care less what the priest and nuns do between themselves... It's the other activities that were distressing... Still and all I am sure things like that can be found going on with clergy of all religions once the anti-religious media puts their mind to exposing it... The RCC being one of the largest religions was the first to be exposed it doesn't mean they are the only ones that have skeletons in the closet...  Roman Catholics were willing to cut their clergy loose when the abuse became wide spread... My question is how many Pastors, Rabbis, Muslim Clerics, snake charming and rat worshiping others are being covered for by their congregations for now.... Time will tell.

All religions may have skeletons in their closet, but the non-proselyting ones have put their efforts and energies into reforming and teaching the right way to their own people. They dont go around converting others when the decay in their own sect continues to grow. I know many American Catholic Evangelists operating outside USA, because they are unable to teach about the gospel to their own people, and find it very easy to convert a poor asian or poor israeli landing fresh in Israel with a morsel of bread and accommodations. And because of such people, the Charedis have to keep sparring with the Messianics.

For the RCs distributing the bible to the members of Israeli Knesset, is part of a divine work, yet they wont even try to do this in Socialist European countries, as their divine work will fall flat on its face.

[Dr. Dan]

It's like going on a diet, or restraining from harmful things. Sometimes the evil inclination is soooo strong that you have to do whatever it takes because you will fail otherwise. I know what that's like. These people are devout, cannot control their yetzer hara, so they have to do something drastic all in the name of Hashem and trying to do mitzvos. What's wrong with trying to observe the Torah WITH EVERY FIBER OF YOUR BEING AND YOUR EXISTENCE? Out sole purpose on earth is to serve Hashem, all the time. This is ultimate service of Hashem to say that you will do whatever it takes to ensure that your service to Him does not get hindered. They are admitting that theu cannot help themselves - - - we are human - - - so they are doing what they can to fight the bad thoughts. What the hell is wrong with trying to serve HASHEM AS BEST AS YOU CAN?

Mo I think what are saying is a beautiful thing and your defense is a beautiful thing.  So I agree with your point of view in how you are saying it.  Religious Jews who need such blinders should use them if it helps them.

In my opinion, I think its just plain funny and ridiculous.
I just don't understand frummers who want to be more frum than moshe rabbeinu.  I think at some point a rebbie has to say "stop one second.  Do you want Gd to make a real consideration on your abilities to be pure and righteous?  Use the very self control He gave you. He had given you all free will.  Blocking the animal will instead of simply saying, 'no' when it is in front of you and threatening you, has more merit to Hashem."

[The One and Only Mo]

Mo I think what are saying is a beautiful thing and your defense is a beautiful thing.  So I agree with your point of view in how you are saying it.  Religious Jews who need such blinders should use them if it helps them.

In my opinion, I think its just plain funny and ridiculous.
I just don't understand frummers who want to be more frum than moshe rabbeinu.  I think at some point a rebbie has to say "stop one second.  Do you want Gd to make a real consideration on your abilities to be pure and righteous?  Use the very self control He gave you. He had given you all free will.  Blocking the animal will instead of simply saying, 'no' when it is in front of you and threatening you, has more merit to Hashem."

It's not so much about self control as it is about what that split second of looking at a woman can do to your mind. Like if you look at a beautiful woman on the street, even just a glimpse, it still triggers a thought. That one thought is detrimental. They are in a whole different world, and I think that we shouldn't judge until we are in their shoes (an idea out of Pirkei Avos).

[muman613]

Just for a Talmudic perspective concerning Tzniut {Modesty} WebShas provides the following index of topics:

http://www.webshas.org/ishus/tznius.htm

Modesty in Gender Mixing and Sexual Matters
Having a divider between groups of men and women: Succah 51b-52a
Preventing too much intergender socialization, to prevent adultery: Eruvin 53b; Nedarim 20a
Prohibitions against observing or staring at women or certain sections of their body: Nedarim 20a
For males to Sleep "Perakdan" [generally assumed to mean Supine]: Berachot 13b
For males to avoid looking below their belt: Shabbat 118b
Flogging for a groom who sleeps/stays in his in-laws' house: Kiddushin 12b
Keeping the area below the belt covered, when changing clothing: Shabbat 118b
How much skin exposure is considered "ervah": Berachot 24a
Differentiating between "ervah" of a Jew and of a non-Jew, or not: Berachot 25b
A man ought not gaze at a woman's small finger: Berachot 24a
A man exchanging money with a woman in such a way that he will end up gazing closely at her hand: Eruvin 18b
Whether the buttocks are considered "ervah": Berachot 24a
Whether public hair is considered "ervah": Berachot 24a
Whether the 'shok' part of the leg is considered "ervah": Berachot 24a
Having a yeshiva student stay in the home of a female hostess: Bava Metzia 71a
At what age children should not be seen by their parents unclothed: Berachot 24a
Having a widow keep a dog: Bava Metzia 71a [and see Tosafot "Lo"]
Men sitting near the mikvah as women enter to immerse: Berachot 20a
Privacy about knowing which night a woman is immersing: Berachot 24a
Looking at a Bride during her first week of marriage: Ketuvot 17a
For males to walk behind females: Eruvin 18b
Better for a man to walk behind a lion than behind a woman; better behind a woman than behind an idol: Eruvin 18b
A man who walks behind a (Rashi - married) woman in crossing a body of water loses his share in the next world: Eruvin 18b
Bathing brothers, father and son, father-in-law and son-in-law, step-father and step-son, brothers-in-law, Rebbe and student, together: Pesachim 51a
Sitting on the bed of a non-Jewish woman: Berachot 8b; Pesachim 112b
Modesty of a wife in front of her husband: Shabbat 140b
Modesty of husband and wife in requesting sexual relations: Eruvin 100b
Standing unclothed before a light: Pesachim 112b
Keeping a separation between the heart and the lower genitalia: Berachot 24b-25a
A Torah Scholar ought to lie if asked about his sexual habits: Bava Metzia 23b
Giving clothing to one's host to launder: Shabbat 140b
Not watching women come up from the laundry: Makkot 24a
For a woman to own a male eved ivri or eved kenaani: Bava Metzia 71a
One should not sleep in the same room as a husband and wife, even if the wife is menstruant: Eruvin 63b
Relating the laws of modest dress to the sin in the Garden of Eden: Eruvin 100b
What Rav Ada bar Ahavah did when he thought he saw a Jewish woman wearing an immodest garment in public: Berachot 20a

[muman613]

This section of Talmud Berachot 24a is interesting:

http://halakhah.com/berakoth/berakoth_24.html

R. Isaac said: A handbreadth [exposed] in a [married] woman constitutes sexual incitement.21  In which way? Shall I say, if one gazes at it? But has not R. Shesheth [already] said: Why did Scripture enumerate the ornaments worn outside the clothes with those worn inside?22  To tell you that if one gazes at the little finger of a woman, it is as if he gazed at her secret place! — No, It means, in one's own wife, and when he recites the Shema'. R. Hisda said: A woman's leg is a sexual incitement, as it says. Uncover the leg, pass through the rivers,23  and it says afterwards, Thy nakedness shall be uncovered, yea, thy shame shall be seen.24  Samuel said: A woman's voice is a sexual incitement, as it says, For sweet is thy voice and thy countenance is comely.25  R. Shesheth said: A woman's hair is a sexual incitement, as it says, Thy hair is as a flock of goats.26



PS: These statements were made concerning whether one can say Shema in the presence of 'nakedness'...

[cjd]

All religions may have skeletons in their closet, but the non-proselyting ones have put their efforts and energies into reforming and teaching the right way to their own people. They dont go around converting others when the decay in their own sect continues to grow. I know many American Catholic Evangelists operating outside USA, because they are unable to teach about the gospel to their own people, and find it very easy to convert a poor asian or poor israeli landing fresh in Israel with a morsel of bread and accommodations. And because of such people, the Charedis have to keep sparring with the Messianics.

For the RCs distributing the bible to the members of Israeli Knesset, is part of a divine work, yet they wont even try to do this in Socialist European countries, as their divine work will fall flat on its face.

Personally I have never seen any proselytizing activity by the RCC... I have noticed that the  Protestant churches are far more active with that activity... The fact that you talk about bibles being distributed leads me to believe that it was some other Christian church and not the RCC... The RCC really does not  indoctrinate their congregation with bible study... I find it very hard to believe that they are the ones distributing the bibles your talking about...

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Wow this topic has gotten outta hand...

[syyuge]

Because different set of people draw different rubicon based upon their own perspective and/or experiences in such matters.

[nessuno]

If you need fuzzy glasses to navigate your way through life, or right and wrong, you should just stay home.  TV Off. Computer Off. Nose in the book.

[The One and Only Mo]

If you need fuzzy glasses to navigate your way through life, or right and wrong, you should just stay home.  TV Off. Computer Off. Nose in the book.