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--- Quote from: Dan Ben Noah on August 20, 2012, 06:28:38 PM ---
Yes but Meza is not attacking Chabad from an anti-Zionist perspective but because they are mystics and the Tanya is Jewish supremacist.
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That is plain falsehood. The Tanya is not a Jewish supremacist book. That is pure garbage he was saying. Chabad also do outreach to non-Jews and they show great respect to all. That is the real reason he was attacking them- because they teach the 7 Mitzwoth Bnai Noah, which supposedly is an evil thing to do? You yourself are a Bnai Noah you should be outraged with the guy since he is attacking you for being a non-Jew. That is the true "Jewish supremacy"- (which is not even Jewish) that he is preaching.
Muman " And Chabad today is a proud Zionist organization which encourages all Chabad members to visit or make aliyah to Israel."
Actually the stance of the previous Rebbe was you either go to Israel and stay or you don't go to Israel at all, soo be careful when different people will twist this in their different ways (ether say see how anti-zionist he was because he did not even go to Israel once, or see how zionist he was in that he said one cannot leave Israel if they go there- but whatever I know a Chabad girl who was in Israel and then went back to hutzlaaretz.
muman613:
--- Quote ---I'm sure that there are many good people in Chabad just as there are in many groups that aren't doctrinally sound.
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LOL.... According to your opinion...
Chabad is full of Good Jews who keep the 613 commandments according to Shulchan Aruch...
muman613:
The Tanya is derived from the Talmud, as the quote you posted above points out... Actually portions of that Tanya are derived from King Solomons Proverbs/Mishlei...
http://www.kby.org/hebrew/torat-yavneh/view.asp?id=3582
--- Quote ---The souls of the nations of the world, however, emanate from the other, unclean kelipot which contain no good whatever, as is written in Etz Chayim, Portal 49, ch. 3, that all the good that the nations do, is done from selfish motives. So the Gemara comments on the verse, "The kindness of the nations is sin,"— that all the charity and kindness done by the nations of the world is only for their own self-glorification, and so on.
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--- Quote ---http://www.kby.org/hebrew/torat-yavneh/view.asp?id=3582
In order to explain this, we need to understand the nature of Avraham Avinu's chesed. King Shlomo says, "Charity will uplift a nation, but the kindness of nations is a sin." (Mishlei 14:34) The charity that Am Yisrael does uplifts it, but the kindness of the other nations is a sin. Why?
"Chesed" in Judaism does not flow just from mercy and compassion for the other, but from desire to benefit and help another. "Chesed" - doing good, is a goal to itself, because it is an expression of going in the way of Hashem, as Chazal say: "Just as he is merciful, you also be merciful; just as He does kindness, you also do kindness." (cf. Shabbat 133b) Through doing kindness, a person connects to his Creator, and therefore there is a natural, inner desire, to do kindness with others. Thus, Avraham Avinu seeks to do chesed even though there were no guests outside; he aspires to express his inner desire to go in the way of Hashem. This kind of chesed is only in Judaism. However, the nations of the world who do kindness do so only because of a feeling of compassion and mercy to help the other, and about this it says, "the kindness of nations is a sin" - this is not ideal and complete chesed.
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muman613:
I hope it is not a shock to some people that the Talmud does mention that Jews have a special relationship {even a special soul} compared to the non-Jew...
http://www.askmoses.com/en/article/192,2172582/Can-you-describe-the-Jewish-soul.html
Ephraim Ben Noach:
Enough you two! Muman, you started this with your very first post! Dan, I don't understand your negative stance on mysticism? It has been part of Judaism from the beginning, maybe not all sect but some! And some mysticism from Israel has been past down in secret, including the seven Noachide laws!
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