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muman613:
I have no problem with people questioning or even not approving of Chabad. But when it becomes a broken record and the person repeats the same incorrect accusations against them, then I begin to get upset.
I have clearly said that Meshichism in Chabad is wrong. The issue of whether the Rebbe is Moshiach is mute. There is no argument that could make me believe that he was the Moshiach at this time. My experience is that Chabad doesn't teach this, and of all the Chabad Rabbis I know they don't believe it themselves. The issue, which I have explained before, is concerning Sparks of Moshiach. This concept I understand and I believe as part of my emmunah {we are to believe that Moshiach can come at any moment}.
AS I am a descendant of Chassidic Jews I naturally have an affinity to Chassidic beliefs. I have not seen any Chassidic belief which opposes the Tanakh or the Talmud, and while Minhag {customs} may be different between various Jewish sects this is acceptable. There are differences in Minhag between Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews also, and each one keeps their minhagim...
muman613:
--- Quote from: Dan Ben Noah on August 20, 2012, 10:09:05 PM ---Proverbs 14:34 isn't talking about souls of individuals, but the deeds of nations. As Rashi comments, it's talking about regimes that rob from one group in order to dispense "kindness" to others.
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Study a little more and you will discover the true nature of the difference between the Jewish nation and the nations of the world.
We are a special nation... This cannot be taken from us...
muman613:
The interpretation of that verse in Mishlie goes far beyond what Rashi points out:
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All this proceeds from a judgement whose goodness is intense, whose purpose is that the light of holiness and goodness will grow stronger and increase.
In regard to entire nations, every good deed carried out by an evil nation strengthens the universal evil. "The mercy of nations is a sin" (Proverbs 14:34) [because they act solely out of self-interest (Bava Basra 10b)].
The nation of Israel, on the other hand, is "a righteous nation, keeping good faith" (Is. 26:2). And the Holy One is exacting with those who surround Him. This is true of the entire nation of Israel: "Only you have I known from all the families of the earth; therefore, I will visit upon you all your sins" (Amos 3:2).
When the greater part of a source is good, this indicates that really in its inner being it is entirely good. Every sin that comes from such a source actually contains in the wealth of its inner being great light and vast salvation.
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muman613:
--- Quote from: Dan Ben Noah on August 20, 2012, 10:15:20 PM ---I assume that you would agree that Judaism at one time was united, and sects only came into being after the Jews were dispersed. So in the beginning there were no sects. If this is true, how could mysticism, if it was there in the beginning, only have been a part of Judaism for some? If it was authentic Torah it would have been passed down with the rest of the Torah along with the written Scriptures and the Talmudic literature. The fact is that what is referred to as Jewish mysticism today is a later innovation that was not passed on by the prophets. Any secret knowledge that was passed on by them has been lost. Also the Noahide laws are not secret. They are part of the oral tradition and the covenant with Noah can be seen in scripture. Mysticism and Kabbalah are different from Oral Torah. Kabbalah is based on Zohar and various other texts that came into being much later.
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Not exactly true... There are many sources of Kabbalah, not just the Zohar... And these texts are discussed in Talmud. The facts concerning the mystical nature of the Torah are that not everyone was privy to learning them. The start of studying Kabbalah was after a man turned 40 years old.
There are many mystical passages in Talmud and Medrash.... Why don't you believe the Talmud?
muman613:
--- Quote from: Dan Ben Noah on August 20, 2012, 10:17:58 PM ---Special nation doesn't mean superior souls. If this is the case, Ezekiel wouldn't have included Noah and Job in the list of people who could have saved themselves by their righteousness, because, as the Tanya puts it, Noah and Job were only righteous because of selfish motives.
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In fact Noah was not on as high of level as Jews are. While he was 'the most righteous' at his time he did not pray for the well-being of the world as our father Abraham prayed for the residents of Sodom and Amora.
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