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Ephraim Ben Noach:
--- Quote from: Dan Ben Noah on August 20, 2012, 10:36:55 PM ---After the Jews were exiled after the destruction of the Second Temple, only one sect survived, the Pharisees, which has become Orthodox Judaism. They passed down the Oral Torah. All Orthodox Jews have kept this. However, not all orthodox Jews have a mystical tradition. This is not because mystical secrets were only passed down to "some" sects (just as the Oral Torah was not only passed down to "some") but because it was invented during the Hasidic movements in the west and spread. All claims that it comes from the Talmud is extrapolation and reading it into the Talmud, similar to how Muslims say Islam was taught from the very beginning.
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There was three sects! And one was connected to the Hasidic! your telling me none of those teaching made it out after the Temple was destroyed?
muman613:
--- Quote from: Dan Ben Noah on August 20, 2012, 10:42:45 PM ---From this I'm not picking up the same ideas that the Tanya is pushing. What I see is an evolution of sinful nations in a Proverb into Jewish supremacy with the Tanya, similar to the way we have shown before on the forum that a verse in Job about repentance evolved into reincarnation among the Chasidim.
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You are not familiar with enough sources to make these comments..
muman613:
Good night.... This topic is going nowhere {while I can provide many more examples which prove the point that the Talmud does suggest that the Jewish soul is different {not necessarily superior, but beloved by Hashem} from the soul of the nations.
muman613:
--- Quote from: Dan Ben Noah on August 20, 2012, 10:44:59 PM ---We know this based on Oral tradition from the Jews--not through mystical doctrines like Kabbalah. Oral Torah/Talmud and Kabbalah/mysticism are 2 different things. Chasidic Jews pretend that their modern mystical doctrines come from the Talmud, but that's just like Christians pretending Jesus can be found in the Torah/Prophets. It can only be done with a stretch.
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Continue making things up.... You think it gets you somewhere? Not likely...
muman613:
Dan, you are a neo-phyte and you attempt to speak like a Talmid Chocham.... I really have little respect for such an inflated ego. You can follow whatever cochamamie rabbi you like but just don't go around claiming he is THE ONLY truth....
Chassidic Jewery has kept the Jewish people alive for many centuries. You cannot come around an defame our rabbis and expect Jews to sit quietly. I for one will not...
You are not even a Noachide and already you have some screwed-up beliefs. Thank G-d you are not a Jew!
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