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Communist Goals For America
« on: August 22, 2006, 09:48:58 PM »
Communist Goals (1963)

Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35

January 10, 1963

Current Communist Goals

EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

Thursday, January 10, 1963

Mr. HERLONG. Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of De Land, Fla., is an ardent and articulate opponent of communism, and until recently published the De Land Courier, which she dedicated to the purpose of alerting the public to the dangers of communism in America.

At Mrs. Nordman's request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the following "Current Communist Goals," which she identifies as an excerpt from "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen:

[From "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen]

CURRENT COMMUNIST GOALS

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.

Isaiah 62:1 -  For Zion's sake I am not silent, And for Jerusalem's sake I do not rest, Till her righteousness go out as brightness, And her salvation, as a torch that burns.

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« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2006, 11:53:19 PM »
See? We're safe... they didn't do 18 or 35 yet.

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EXCELLENT post!
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« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2006, 06:46:27 AM »
Yes! That seems to be the only ones they haven't accomplished although even that is subjective.
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« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2006, 09:29:50 AM »
Yes, I whole heartedly agree with you CZ.  I believe everyone should read both the Bible and The Communist Manifesto.  That said, there are many good books about Communism: "Naked Communist" - Skousen, "Techniques of Communism" - Bodenz, "The Black Book of Communism" - Courtios etc. (please feel free to contact me for more...creditable readings on this subject.)  It has become time for deeds not mere words in my opinion......

The following is from page 342 of Paul Johnson's INTELLECTUALS:

"But I think I detect today a certain public scepticism when intellectuals stand up to preach to us, a growing tendency among ordinary people to dispute the right of academics, writers and philosophers, eminent though they may be, to tell us how to behave and conduct our affairs.  The belief seems to be spreading that intellectuals are no wiser as mentors, or worthier as exemplars, than the witch doctors or priests of old.  I share that scepticism.  A dozen people picked at random on the street are at least as likely to offer sensible views on moral and political matters as a cross-section of the intelligentsia.  But I would go further.  One of the principal lessons of our tragic century, which has seen so many innocent lives sacrificed in schemes to improve the lot of humanity is - beware intellectuals.  Not merely should they be kept well away from the levers of power, they should also be objects of particular suspicion when they seek to offer collective advice.  Beware committees, conferences and leagues of intellectuals.  Distrust public statements issued from their serried ranks.  Discount their verdicts on political leaders and important events.  For intellectuals, far from being highly individualistic and non-conformist people, follow certain regular patterns of behaviour.  Taken as a group, they are often ultra-conformist within the circles formed by those whose approval they seek and value.  That is what makes them, en masse, so dangerous, for it enables them to create climates of opinion and prevailing orthodoxies, which themselves often generate irrational and destructive courses of action.  Above all, we must at all times remember what intellectuals habitually forget:  that people matter more than concepts and must come first.  The worst of all despotisms is the heartless tyranny of ideas."
"‘Vehorashtem/Numbers 33:53’: When you burn out the Land’s inhabitants, you will merit to bestow upon your children the Land as an inheritance. If you do not burn them out, then even if you conquer the Land, you will not merit to allot it to your children as an inheritance." - Ovadiah ben Yacov Sforno; Italian Rabbi, Biblical Commentator, Philosopher and Physician.  1475-1550.

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« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2006, 11:13:21 AM »
Great quote, Marzutra.  Totally true.

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« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2006, 03:27:58 PM »
Yes, I whole heartedly agree with you CZ.  I believe everyone should read both the Bible and The Communist Manifesto.  That said, there are many good books about Communism: "Naked Communist" - Skousen, "Techniques of Communism" - Bodenz, "The Black Book of Communism" - Courtios etc. (please feel free to contact me for more...creditable readings on this subject.)  It has become time for deeds not mere words in my opinion......

The following is from page 342 of Paul Johnson's INTELLECTUALS:

"But I think I detect today a certain public scepticism when intellectuals stand up to preach to us, a growing tendency among ordinary people to dispute the right of academics, writers and philosophers, eminent though they may be, to tell us how to behave and conduct our affairs.  The belief seems to be spreading that intellectuals are no wiser as mentors, or worthier as exemplars, than the witch doctors or priests of old.  I share that scepticism.  A dozen people picked at random on the street are at least as likely to offer sensible views on moral and political matters as a cross-section of the intelligentsia.  But I would go further.  One of the principal lessons of our tragic century, which has seen so many innocent lives sacrificed in schemes to improve the lot of humanity is - beware intellectuals.  Not merely should they be kept well away from the levers of power, they should also be objects of particular suspicion when they seek to offer collective advice.  Beware committees, conferences and leagues of intellectuals.  Distrust public statements issued from their serried ranks.  Discount their verdicts on political leaders and important events.  For intellectuals, far from being highly individualistic and non-conformist people, follow certain regular patterns of behaviour.  Taken as a group, they are often ultra-conformist within the circles formed by those whose approval they seek and value.  That is what makes them, en masse, so dangerous, for it enables them to create climates of opinion and prevailing orthodoxies, which themselves often generate irrational and destructive courses of action.  Above all, we must at all times remember what intellectuals habitually forget:  that people matter more than concepts and must come first.  The worst of all despotisms is the heartless tyranny of ideas."




Thanks for those book titles. I will get the naked communist :)
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« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2006, 06:47:31 PM »
No worries Azrom.  The Naked Communist is very good and very easy read, perhaps the best in identifying the total fraud of Communism presents the history, operations, infiltrations and effects of such a diabolical ideology .  Skousen has another book which is very good too called "The Naked Capitalist" from the opposite side of big business corruption aiding the communists because peoples like the Rockefellers, Morgans etc. have no loyalty.  You will also find "Shadows of Power" - Perloff (with his fabulous book displaying the arguement against evolution and Darwinian thought: Tornado in a Junkyard) to be very informative if you want to read about the Council on Foreign Relations and who is actually running both parties and surrounding the President.  There is a most fabulous work about the history of Socialist infiltration in the US by Rose Martin called "Fabian Freeway; The High Road To Socialism In The United States".   

These people have dismembered the British Empire, destroyed Europe and continual to work towards "The Decline of the West" - Oswald Spengler.  The Fabian Society, London UK. with George Bernard Shaw, Beatrice Potter, Sydney Webb, H.G.Wells, J.M.Keynes and many more were the founders of the CFR (of course with Ford, Carnagee and Rockefeller) and the American Civil Liberties Union in 1920 for the sole purpose of undermining the American Constitution, promulgate Socialist Propaganda via numerous front groups, infiltrate government/education/media/unions and provide legal defence for any exposed Commies/Socialist Un-American Traitors.  A very good book following rite behind Skousen's work. 

Too, I'd also suggest every book by Antony Sutton.  Geeze...there are too many books I have read on this to list.  From a Leftwing perspective you might too wish to read a very long Carrol Quigley's "Tragedy and Hope" and "Anglo-American Establishment".  Enjoy... M

« Last Edit: November 10, 2006, 11:33:54 PM by Marzutra »
"‘Vehorashtem/Numbers 33:53’: When you burn out the Land’s inhabitants, you will merit to bestow upon your children the Land as an inheritance. If you do not burn them out, then even if you conquer the Land, you will not merit to allot it to your children as an inheritance." - Ovadiah ben Yacov Sforno; Italian Rabbi, Biblical Commentator, Philosopher and Physician.  1475-1550.

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Is it true?
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2006, 10:59:44 PM »
Hey all... well, I got moved in. Haven't had much time to post.

Ok, question on this topic... now don't most of the Kibbutzim in Israel setup a socialist... almost communist system? Do they work out very well? I know we usually have more rightous people in a Kibbutz but I always wondered about that.
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« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2006, 11:17:34 PM »
Hey all... well, I got moved in. Haven't had much time to post.

Ok, question on this topic... now don't most of the Kibbutzim in Israel setup a socialist... almost communist system? Do they work out very well? I know we usually have more rightous people in a Kibbutz but I always wondered about that.
Shalom Jeffguy, Kibbutz are set up on pure Communist principles promoting "collectivism" and "group".  That is fraud of communism.  The ignorant "working classes" are sold on the idea of "equality", "freedom" and "rights" similar to Greek Hellenism or Roman Human/Romanticism but when it is in actual working process it becomes a deprave Hedo-utopan police state that is totally bankrupt economically, socially, politically, legally and most of all morally.  If you look at Russia today, it has the highest rates of abortion, suicides, alchoholism, divorces.....  Marx, Moore and before them Plato all wrote of this "Utopian" collective society, but they never have been able to "progress" past the second stages which adovates 3 levels.  The lowest level is the stupid unlucky "Working poor" which NEVER benefit.  The second is the Police/Army to maintain stability of the now disguntled and empoverished deprave masses as in Russia Cheka later, then NKVD, then the KGB evolving as time passes to control the "progress" of Socialism.  The third and top is the Dictatorship of the Prolitariat which is always made up of the most wealthy, the most educated (who lucked out to be preaching what the powers that be liked) or the lucky.  In most cases, this stage is ALWAY corrupted by "capitalist" human nature of both greed, desire to embetter oneself and the quest for power resulting in a total dictatorship via a series of internal purges and blood baths of rivals: Stalin, Mao, Castro, Hitler for examples.  You will notice that this situation, on a global scale, is similar to UN, CFR and NWO intentions.  If George Santayana is correct in his adage "Those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it" then mass poverty, mass famine, mass murder, mass cannibalism, disease and slavery soon follow as in the Ukrane under Lenin/Stalin's successive 5 year plans and too in China during Mao's "Great Leap Forward" totaling over 70million deaths totaling to Communism's credit of over 100-150 million dead.

The most righteous people are not found on Kibbutzim.  The capitalist operations are called Moshavim.  The Kibbutz have never been productive at all.  If you look back on Israel's history, even during the days of the Rothschild massive financial injectsions the Kibbutz failed miserably, like Russia, Cuba, China, North Korea, Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, France all of Africa and South America are failing today.  The only time when Kibbutz became profitable and functioning are when they started to drop the communistic/socialistic principles and promoted the individual instead of the group and changed their operations to more representative of their capitalist based moshav working for profits.  The Kibbutz, like communism looks good and attainable on paper.  If you check you will probably see that the Kibbutz is either working on a quasi-Capitalist system or is getting financial injections from the government to stay open... 

Communism doesn't work.  These things are filled with individuals living on past "Platonic" hope for a World Utopia.  Should you doubt this, go directly to the source.  Pick up a copy of the Communist Manifesto and see what it actually is, what are its goals, how does it differ from Judaism and too.....look at the realities of the outcome/effects of the varios attempts to institute Communism...... 

If you are on a Kibbutz now, use it to learn whatever you need to learn to fit in Israeli society: Hebrew, Laws, Culture etc.....  The rest will warp your mind.  A good vacation...but Ben Gurion is not a good role model in my opinion...    I hope this helps...  It might be a good recruiting ground when you debate these indoctrinated Socialists to the insanity and digressiveness of their ways...  The books above are fantastic too is one called "The Naked Capitalist" or anything by Antony Sutton
« Last Edit: December 04, 2006, 11:33:42 PM by Marzutra »
"‘Vehorashtem/Numbers 33:53’: When you burn out the Land’s inhabitants, you will merit to bestow upon your children the Land as an inheritance. If you do not burn them out, then even if you conquer the Land, you will not merit to allot it to your children as an inheritance." - Ovadiah ben Yacov Sforno; Italian Rabbi, Biblical Commentator, Philosopher and Physician.  1475-1550.

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« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2006, 01:55:14 AM »
I don't disagree with you at all. Socialism was invented in that wonderful country called France and was VERY anti-semetic. Communism, obviously, has a horrible and evil history.

I was just curious about the Kibbutzim. I thought about staying on one a while back and just checking the whole thing out.
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« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2006, 07:36:13 AM »
I don't disagree with you at all. Socialism was invented in that wonderful country called France and was VERY anti-semetic. Communism, obviously, has a horrible and evil history.

I was just curious about the Kibbutzim. I thought about staying on one a while back and just checking the whole thing out.
Socialism=Humanism=Communism.  "Socialism leads to communism" - Lenin.  "I see no difference between Socialism and Communism" - Karl Marx.  Socialism is very similar to Leninism or the Fabian Societies "slow progress", this is why their logo is a turtle.  Lastly, National Socialism = Nazi while Communism = International Socialism, the only difference is the former had a Germanic Paganistic twist based on Madam Blavtsky's Theosophy.  Socialism substitutes G-d for man, Humanism substitutes G-d for man, Communism substitutes G-d for man via the State.  In essence Socialism and Communism are, or will end to be, the same thing.  They were both, with Nazism and Fascism (Left wing ideologies) were in essence of antisemitism due to the fact the Jew represents the exact thing they wish to vanquish: G-d.  Dr. Paul Johnson wrote in his fabulous book "A History of the Jews" something to the affect "How do we know G-d exists: The Jew": The G-dless cannot have that...

Perhaps not as brutal as Stalin or Mao, but more similar to Lenin or Castro.  Too you will notice that all the Communist movements, parties and leaders are financed and/or ruled by those extremely wealthy "Capitalists" and International Banking Czars.  In the end Socialism, if you read Karl Marx's, actually League of the Just's, "Communist Manifesto" you will see that the pillars for Communism are exactly the same as the goals for socialism.  Socialism is brought about gradually by expanding the central government, lieing to the people and taking away their freedoms/rights/religion/morality/nationality etc., while Communism is the same thing one via a "Revolution" brining about the Dictatorship of the Prolitariate.  You are very correct about France and Socialism.  One will also notice too that Socialism in France came about after a failed Communist Revolution.  Too you will notice what happened, and has been happening, to France, the French people, the French culture ever since. That too is a fantastic story that John Robison writes in his book "Proofs of a Conspiracy" published in 1798.  Combine this book with Leftist/Socialist Christopher Hibbert's book one finds pretty much the same thing alluded to within it also but not outrightly stated due to his admiration for Socialism and Leftist thought.

Thems the facts, unfortunately.  Don't get me wrong, Kibbutzim are good in that ignorant Jews like myself can go to Israel and learn Hebrew and use it on a daily basis and make friends.  You will be encouraged to attend "Reform" services if any services at all.  The sad part is that you will learn Israeli Hisotory, like I had done, and Jewish History from a purely Leftist position being that Ben Gurion, a life long Socialist, was the best thing since sliced bread.  The Hagganah (who worked with the British against the Jews) is amazing while Irgun and Lahey were "Jewish Terrorist Groups" and Rabbi Kahane was a "Right Wing" "Extremist", the Bund is good while Batar was bad....etc.   I hope this is helps and good luck...
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"‘Vehorashtem/Numbers 33:53’: When you burn out the Land’s inhabitants, you will merit to bestow upon your children the Land as an inheritance. If you do not burn them out, then even if you conquer the Land, you will not merit to allot it to your children as an inheritance." - Ovadiah ben Yacov Sforno; Italian Rabbi, Biblical Commentator, Philosopher and Physician.  1475-1550.

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« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2006, 12:44:38 AM »
Thanks, Marzutra, for the book references.

Are there any good "right wing" Orthodox Kibbutzim?
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« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2006, 08:03:28 AM »
I don't think there are any "right wing" kibbutzim.  Try a Moshav.  Perhaps there are those in the "occupied" areas that have religious Jews whom are right wing.  I don't know.  All I know is that Kibbutzim are based on the Communist Bunds idea of labor Zionism, founded by Socialist Judenrot in hopes of building their "Utopia" State in Israel.  Good luck....  I'd actually go to your Orthodox Synagogue and ask your Rabbi for some information or help.  He'd have connections or be able to supply some.
"‘Vehorashtem/Numbers 33:53’: When you burn out the Land’s inhabitants, you will merit to bestow upon your children the Land as an inheritance. If you do not burn them out, then even if you conquer the Land, you will not merit to allot it to your children as an inheritance." - Ovadiah ben Yacov Sforno; Italian Rabbi, Biblical Commentator, Philosopher and Physician.  1475-1550.

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« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2006, 01:02:54 PM »
Jeffguy is back.  Hooray! :)

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« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2006, 12:36:27 AM »
Jeffguy is back.  Hooray! :)

Aawww... thanks man!! Ya... I just had a new move, new job, and lots of life changes. :)  I'm hoping to post in here more often now. I still would listen to the audio but it feels kind of like home in here.

Marzutra, GREAT INFO! I'm just trying to figure out ways to get myself "home" to Israel.
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« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2006, 07:44:27 AM »
Jeffguy is back.  Hooray! :)

Aawww... thanks man!! Ya... I just had a new move, new job, and lots of life changes. :)  I'm hoping to post in here more often now. I still would listen to the audio but it feels kind of like home in here.

Marzutra, GREAT INFO! I'm just trying to figure out ways to get myself "home" to Israel.
Welcome back brother.  If you are looking to get back to Israel. I'd say that working on a Kibbutz would be a good opportunity to live, work and practice your Hebrew.  Just keep in mind that ALL the time you will be bombarded with "collectivist" thought, from eating together in one dining hall, sharing all the stuff, learning pro-Labor Zionist "History" and following moral laws more closely linked with the Greek Hellenism than Torah.  That in mind, you should be all right.  I don't know what they'd do if you educationally and logically defended yourself, and your Kahanist/Torah views in discussion/debate.  Proabably similar to living inside an American Liberal Arts University......lol 

Another option would be to go to make Alyiah through JAZO where they put you in a 1 year "educational" program....too Leftist, but then afterwards you'd have a choice to go work or continue studies in a Yeshiva, even if part time. 

I wish you luck... Israel needs more JEWISH Jews! ;)
"‘Vehorashtem/Numbers 33:53’: When you burn out the Land’s inhabitants, you will merit to bestow upon your children the Land as an inheritance. If you do not burn them out, then even if you conquer the Land, you will not merit to allot it to your children as an inheritance." - Ovadiah ben Yacov Sforno; Italian Rabbi, Biblical Commentator, Philosopher and Physician.  1475-1550.

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« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2006, 08:38:35 AM »
What is JAZO? Do you have a link or anything? Now I've heard of Nefesh B'Nefesh... are they kind of like that but with a year school thing?
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Re: Communist Goals For America
« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2006, 09:05:21 AM »
Sure do.  It is the Jewish Agency for Israel.  Still part of the Labor Zionist Movement, like the vast majority of "Jewish" organizations but they have a program for you to make Aliyah.  It is a concept of the first Jew gives money to the second Jew to send the third Jew to Israel.  www.jazo.org.il or www.jewishagency.org.  Keep in mind when they say "Education" it is probably more similar to "re-education".....  This was my personal problem with them and their Labor Zionism.  Examples being Zev Jabotinsky was always shown as a bad guy while Gurion, Weizmann, Sharret, Meir, Rabin and all those mentioned in books like "Perfidy" or "While 6 million died" etc. were all righteous....  Forget about mentioning Meir Kahane.....until you are already there and into the system because to them he is the epitome of an "extremist".  Put it this way, my Aliyah Shaliach was a homosexual who was for giving away Judea, Samaria and Gaza...to him "The West Bank"....to the Muslim Nazis for "peace".  This mentality, and him being a higher up within the organization itself, shows the true face/mentality of this Leftist anti-Jewish/Israel Organization calling itself "Zionists".  But hey, take full advantage brother... ;)
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"‘Vehorashtem/Numbers 33:53’: When you burn out the Land’s inhabitants, you will merit to bestow upon your children the Land as an inheritance. If you do not burn them out, then even if you conquer the Land, you will not merit to allot it to your children as an inheritance." - Ovadiah ben Yacov Sforno; Italian Rabbi, Biblical Commentator, Philosopher and Physician.  1475-1550.

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Re: Communist Goals For America
« Reply #18 on: December 18, 2006, 02:37:26 AM »
Sure do.  It is the Jewish Agency for Israel.  Still part of the Labor Zionist Movement, like the vast majority of "Jewish" organizations but they have a program for you to make Aliyah.  It is a concept of the first Jew gives money to the second Jew to send the third Jew to Israel.  www.jazo.org.il or www.jewishagency.org.  Keep in mind when they say "Education" it is probably more similar to "re-education".....  This was my personal problem with them and their Labor Zionism.  Examples being Zev Jabotinsky was always shown as a bad guy while Gurion, Weizmann, Sharret, Meir, Rabin and all those mentioned in books like "Perfidy" or "While 6 million died" etc. were all righteous....  Forget about mentioning Meir Kahane.....until you are already there and into the system because to them he is the epitome of an "extremist".  Put it this way, my Aliyah Shaliach was a homosexual who was for giving away Judea, Samaria and Gaza...to him "The West Bank"....to the Muslim Nazis for "peace".  This mentality, and him being a higher up within the organization itself, shows the true face/mentality of this Leftist anti-Jewish/Israel Organization calling itself "Zionists".  But hey, take full advantage brother... ;)

Hey... thanks for the links! I'm on the sites right now.
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