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muman613:
The issue the rav from Machonshilo seems concerned with is 'grafting' which makes an Etrog impermissible for use in the mitzvah of waving the four species...


http://www.oztorah.com/2007/06/arbaah-minim-the-four-species/

THE ETROG - The Torah does not call the etrog by that name. It says, “Take for yourselves… the fruit of a hadar tree” (Lev. 23:40). Many translations render hadar as goodly, since hadar in other contexts means splendour. By tradition, the fruit the Torah is speaking of is the citron or etrog. It is not valid if the button-like tip (pitom) is missing, though some valid types of etrog grow without a pitom. Etrogim must be pure, not grafted (mur’kav).

Historically, etrogim tended to come from Corfu, but by the latter part of the 19th century there were fears that grafting was practised in Corfu and in 1876 Rabbi Yitzchak Elchanan Spektor of Kovno, joined by Rabbi Yisrael Salanter and other rabbis, insisted that etrogim be obtained from other sources. Thenceforth Corsican etrogim were used. A problem arose when, because they had a captive market, some suppliers inflated their prices; in addition, the early Zionist colonists in Israel urged that their etrogim should be used. Rav Kook authorised Israeli etrogim provided the growers guaranteed that there was no grafting and that supervisors oversaw the production.

Grafted etrogim tend to have a smooth skin as opposed to the bumpy skin of non-grafted etrogim and have a thin skin and a juicy interior whereas the non-grafted fruit is thick on the outside with a rather dry inside. An etrog should not be smaller than an egg, though some scholars believe eggs are now smaller than in the time of the Talmud and they make the minimum size the equivalent of two eggs. After the festival, etrogim go back to being merely citrons, hence the saying Esrogim nach Sukkos (something that has come too late).

muman613:
I just got my Etrog yesterday... It is obviously not a grafted because of the bumpiness of the skin...

Tag-MehirTzedek:
Muman- listen to the (very short)  shiur by Rav Elbaz. I posted it as well. Just follow the link and listen to what he said. I spoke to him and he and his whole Yeshiva (and I personally know some people there and learned/learn with someone there, use only a Teimani Etrog, because their is more certainty that the species is not grafted. With the rest their is some doubt. He also brings down R' Ovadia, the Chazon Eish and others.
 
 I personally got a Teimani etrog yesturday.

 By the way I'm not putting down your decision or anything, just making discussion and bringing down opinions and thoughts. Its not a "Daat Yachid" (one opinion) as you just claimed/ implied.

muman613:

--- Quote from: Dan Ben Noah on September 28, 2012, 04:42:53 PM ---Teimanim are the most authentic with pretty much everything.

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The issue with Etrogim have nothing to do with 'authentic'. It has to do with whether the fruit was grafted with other species...

And concerning whether there is doubt... There is supervision over the Israeli Etrogim, as I stated the Hecsher is Eida Hachareidis.

muman613:

--- Quote from: Dan Ben Noah on September 28, 2012, 08:46:20 PM ---Obviously if it has to do with grafting, it has to do with being authentic.  Teimanim have the most authentic version of Torah observance and Hebrew, so it's no surprise to me that they are most trusted when it comes to etrogim.  By the way, Eda haCharedit (which simply means "the Haredi community") is apparently a group of raving Israel-hating heretics:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HaEdah_HaCharedis

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Eda Hacharedie is a supervisor of Kashrut and according to that wiki page is one of the most stringent kashrut organizations.


--- Quote ---The Edah HaChareidis is known for its high standards in rabbinical supervision of kosher food, and is considered to be one of the strictest hechsheirim in Israel. It is often simply known as the hechsher of the "Badatz", which stands for Beis Din Tzedek (literally "Court [of] Righteous Law"), the standard term for a rabbinical court. Products certified by the Edah are marked with the well-known logo of the Edah.
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And indeed this issue of Etrogim is exclusively a matter of whether the Etrog has been grafted. Look at the Halacha...

As long as the Etrog is not from a grafted species it is 100% kosher no matter where it was grown.. The Hecsher on these Etrogim is proof that they have been supervised and the Rabbis ensured that the species is not grafted.


And you are incorrect in labeling them as Heretics... They are indeed against the current secular state of Israel as many Orthodox are. They are not related to the Nuta Karta and they also currently work with the Israeli government concerning Marriages and conversion.

You are very wrong, Dan, to call these Jews heretics. If you were a Jew you would be guilty of Lashon Hara, but we all know that you are not Jewish... So go on slandering Jews all you like... You 'apparently' know nothing about being Jewish, and I severely doubt you will ever be a yid.

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