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Ezekiel Prophecy
muman613:
I doubt that the book of revelations had any bearing on the sources I brought.
The idea that virtually all nations will wage war against Israel is based on the Gematria of Gog UMag which is 70, which represents the 70 nations.
http://www.torah.org/learning/perceptions/5771/behar.html
It is true that most of this lesson derives from Kabbalah, but there is absolutely no indication this is derived from non-Jewish sources.
PS: That is the same video I posted in that thread...
The concept of the 70 nations is also discussed in this http://www.kby.org/hebrew/torat-yavneh/view.asp?id=3916
--- Quote ---For behold, your foes are in uproar and those who hate You have raised their head. Against your people they plot deviously (sod = 70= Gog U'Magog=70 nations of the world]; they take counsel against those sheltered by You. They said, "Come let us cut them off from nationhood, so Israel's name will not be remembered any longer! For they take counsel together unanimously, they strike a covenant against You." [Malbim: The purpose of their all coming is against you, that they are jealous of your Divinity in the world through Israel, and this is the special purpose of them all.]
Here, as well, comes a detail of the conglomeration of nations comparable to our Haftarah: .
The tents of Edom and Ishmaelites; Moab and the Hagribes; Gebal and Amon, and Amalek: Philistia, with the inhabitants of Tyre. Even Assyria joined with them, they became the strong arm of Lot's sons, Selah. (7-9)
Nations rose, nationss fell, but anti-Semitism is alive and well, and in each and every generation they stand against us to destroy us. Because what ever is connected to the hatred of the Chosen nation, all the nations are like one nation, and one man with one heart.
Against this unification will come the punishment of division: I will summon the sword against him to all My mountains – the word of the L-rd Hashem / Elokim – each man's sword will be against his brother. (38:21) Exactly like the first union of mankind against Hashem, The whole earth was of one language and of common purpose ... They said to one another ... "Come let us build a city, and a tower with its top in the heavens and let us make a name ... Hashem dispersed them from there over the face oft of the whole earth." (Bereishit 11:1-8) There also Chazal taught: "to one another" a nation to another nation, Egypt to Cush, and Cush to Put, and Put to Canaan," and there, also, there was sort of sword against each other, "This one asked for a brick, and the other would bring cement, and this one stood on him and cracked his head."
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muman613:
Also that video suggests that the 70 nations will wage war against Israel...
Tag-MehirTzedek:
--- Quote from: muman613 on October 12, 2012, 01:06:07 AM ---Also that video suggests that the 70 nations will wage war against Israel...
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I know, I am watching (well most of time listening) to it now. I don't agree with that statement, it does not appear to be from the texts itself (perhaps their are other texts of the Prophet)
Also I don't think taking Gematria of GoG=70 automatically means that its 70 nations and all of them together.
I would like direct sources from Chazal (like Talmudh or other commentary on Ezekiel Chapter 38-39 or similar things addressing this directly.
Tag-MehirTzedek:
muman613:
http://ohr.edu/ask/ask250.htm
Dear Rabbi,
I am wondering about Succot. Why is it important? What is the present significance? How does this relate to the mashiach (messiah)?
Dear Carol,
Succot celebrates the super-natural protection we, the Jewish People, enjoyed when G-d took us out of Egypt. In this sense, Succot is like Passover. While Passover celebrates our rescue from the Egyptians, Succot goes a step farther, celebrating our miraculous existence in the desert for forty years after that.
Thus, the major significance of Succot is a message of gratitude. If not for the food, water, and shelter G-d gave us in the desert thousands of years ago, we wouldn't be here today. Our gratitude to G-d never fades, just like you never stop being grateful to your parents for giving birth to you. So, for the seven days of Succot, Jews leave the protection of their roofed homes and live in huts covered only with branches, recalling the fact that it is not our homes, but G-d who protects us.
Regarding the connections between Succot and messianic times: According to the Prophet Zacharia, the nations who survive the final "War of Gog and Magog" will come to Jerusalem every year "to prostrate themselves to the King, Hashem...and to celebrate the Succot festival." (Zecharia 14:16)
The Prophet Ezekiel describes the Jewish People prior to the "War of Gog and Magog" as living in an almost-messianic state, having been recently gathered from amongst the nations and living in prosperity in their own land. Then, the world's nations - led by "Gog" from the land of "Magog" - will attack Israel in an attempt to put a final end to the Jewish People.
Magog is identified by the Talmud as "Gothia," the land of the Goths. The Goths were a Germanic people, in keeping with the midrashic rendering of Magog as "Germamia" or "Germania."
Our miraculous victory against Gog is to occur during the Succot season, and those of our enemies who repent and survive will come to Jerusalem each Succot to celebrate the anniversary of our victory.
Rabbi S.R. Hirsch notes that "Gog" is related to the Hebrew word for roof. A roof, with its ability to shut out the heavenly influences of rain and sun, symbolizes man's imagined independence from G-d. The symbol of the roof stands in diametric opposition to the weak succah-booth. A succah, covered only by some meager branches, symbolizes our dependence on G-d. Thus, Gog's struggle is the battle of the "roof" against the "succah," in which those who believe only in man's ability to manipulate nature try to eradicate the Jews, whose very existence loudly nullifies this world-view.
The universal nature of Succot is also alluded to in the special Succot offerings, which were seventy in number. This corresponds to the number of primary nations of the world; i.e., the seventy nations descended from Noah (see Genesis Chapter 10). Seventy is also the numerical value of the Hebrew phrase "Gog and Magog."
Sources:
Book of Ezekiel 38
Ibid. Commentary by Rabbi Moshe Eisemann, Mesorah Publications
Yerushalmi Megillah 3:9
Targum Yonatan 10:2, Bereishet Rabbah 37:1
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