Author Topic: nypd brutally assaults man in synagogue (Read 4550 times)

The One and Only Mo · « **on:** October 15, 2012, 03:33:36 PM »

http://www.latenightinthemidlands.com/video/nypd-officer-brutally-assaults-man-in-synagogue?xg_source=activity

The One and Only Mo · « **Reply #1 on:** October 15, 2012, 03:35:16 PM »

My friend put it perfectly: "If only he were black so Al Dumton, Obungle, and Jesse Jackshit could lead the riots."

muman613 · « **Reply #2 on:** October 15, 2012, 03:40:48 PM »

Saw this on Arutz Sheva last night. I commented that only blacks have human rights in our country, if you are a Jew, forget about human rights in America. Cops can beat us, arabs can spit on us, and nobody lifts a finger. The time is coming for the rise of new Jewish Defense Leagues which will demand an end to the disgraceful treatment of Jews.

Rubystars · « **Reply #3 on:** October 15, 2012, 03:53:35 PM »

Quote from: muman613 on October 15, 2012, 03:40:48 PM

Saw this on Arutz Sheva last night. I commented that only blacks have human rights in our country, if you are a Jew, forget about human rights in America. Cops can beat us, arabs can spit on us, and nobody lifts a finger. The time is coming for the rise of new Jewish Defense Leagues which will demand an end to the disgraceful treatment of Jews.

I think part of the problem is that Jews do have a reputation for being harmless because they generally are harmless people. They work in all kinds of social causes to show compassion for others too. Unfortunately some evil cultures like those of blacks and those of Muslims, see compassion or kindness or mild behavior as weakness. So I do think it would be a good idea for some of the young men to patrol their neighborhoods and give their communities a tougher reputation. Peace through strength.

Kahane-Was-Right BT · « **Reply #4 on:** October 15, 2012, 10:19:29 PM »

What they did to this guy is truly sick. Sure he resisted arrest at first, but the proper protocol is not to respond to that by starting a boxing match and then repeatedly beating and whipping the person when he is restrained. This looks viciously criminal.

All that said, if the guy was a trespasser, then we don't really know if he's a chabadnik or even Jewish or maybe just some guy off the street who decided he would sleep there. Again, what they did is wrong. Just saying we don't really know who the victim was.

muman613 · « **Reply #5 on:** October 15, 2012, 10:23:29 PM »

Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on October 15, 2012, 10:19:29 PM

What they did to this guy is truly sick. Sure he resisted arrest at first, but the proper protocol is not to respond to that by starting a boxing match and then repeatedly beating and whipping the person when he is restrained. This looks viciously criminal.

All that said, if the guy was a trespasser, then we don't really know if he's a chabadnik or even Jewish or maybe just some guy off the street who decided he would sleep there. Again, what they did is wrong. Just saying we don't really know who the victim was.

The story on A7 indicated that he had the permission of the Jewish Center to stay there...

Quote

http://www.wnyc.org/blogs/wnyc-news-blog/2012/oct/15/2-nypd-officers-investigated-assaulting-man-community-center/

Halevy had permission to sleep inside the center, but a center volunteer called the police. Rabbi Moishe Feiglin, who runs the youth center, told The Times that it was unclear what had prompted the volunteer to call the police, and that Halevy had been sleeping in the lounge for about a month. The criminal complaint against Halevy shows he was charged on several counts, including assault, resisting arrest and criminal trespass.

Tag-MehirTzedek · « **Reply #6 on:** October 15, 2012, 10:45:23 PM »

Also notice the numerous anti-Jewish comments below the video (when you click on it and get to zoo tube).

The One and Only Mo · « **Reply #7 on:** October 15, 2012, 10:46:08 PM »

Quote from: Tag-MehirTzedek on October 15, 2012, 10:45:23 PM

http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,64577.0.html

Also notice the numerous anti-Jewish comments below the video (when you click on it and get to zoo tube).

does that surprise you?

muman613 · « **Reply #8 on:** October 16, 2012, 12:03:09 AM »

Quote from: LKZ on October 15, 2012, 11:07:50 PM

One commentor stated he was charged with assaulting a police officer. If a cop just randomly tries to put cuffs on you in the USA, you have to comply?

If that's true... guess we'll need an ADL to free Americans to Canada from the USSA

Baruch Hashem, I will relate a story from my youth.... Back in my crazy 20s I used to get into trouble for various things. One time I was busted by cops while doing drugs in my car. The cops tried to put the cuffs on me but I turned around before he could do it, the cop got all upset and grabbed his baton but did not hit me, he just said "Don't make me hit you" and I stopped. He said he could have charged me with resisting, but thank goodness that was not the case.

I believe that you should listen to the cop if you don't want to get hit or shot...

Kahane-Was-Right BT · « **Reply #9 on:** October 16, 2012, 01:11:27 AM »

Quote from: muman613 on October 15, 2012, 10:23:29 PM

The story on A7 indicated that he had the permission of the Jewish Center to stay there...

So then why did the police come in? Someone called the police, right?

Kahane-Was-Right BT · « **Reply #10 on:** October 16, 2012, 01:12:10 AM »

Quote from: LKZ on October 15, 2012, 10:25:00 PM

Resisting arrest? What was the initial charge?

We can't hear what they are saying, but they are definitely attempting to put handcuffs on him and he whips his hands away. It's pretty clear he's resisting arrest. Still doesn't justify what they did to him.

Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks · « **Reply #11 on:** October 16, 2012, 02:14:47 AM »

Just a question--is this a real synagogue or a Deform bath house?

muman613 · « **Reply #12 on:** October 16, 2012, 02:31:21 AM »

Quote from: Brennanfan on October 16, 2012, 02:14:47 AM

Just a question--is this a real synagogue or a Deform bath house?

It was a Jewish community center. It should not make a difference... If the cop thought he was beating a Jew then it would make absolutely no difference what the Jew was, especially since he was in the community center with the Rabbis permission. Of course we must wait for the evidence to come out, as KWRBT pointed out it is not clear why the police were called.

I don't know why the original story said 'synagogue' but it is a JCC type of place where Jews of all walks of life go. The A7 story speculated he may be an Israeli {but again we must wait for more news}.

muman613 · « **Reply #13 on:** October 16, 2012, 02:36:01 AM »

Here is the original article I read from A7:

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/160901#.UH0AGiGRyiI

NYC Police Pummel Young Jewish Man

The man, identified as Ehud Halevi, was sleeping at the ALIYA Center in Crown Heights.
Gil Ronen

Security camera footage at the ALIYA Center in Crown Heights, Brooklyn, shows police inexplicably pummeling a young Jewish man who had been sleeping at the center, which is a synagogue and outreach center for troubled youth.

According to the CrownHeights.info website, on Monday evening, October 8, police were called about a man who was sleeping in the lounge of the ALIYA Center. "The caller may have mistakenly believed that the homeless man, Ehud H. Halevi, was loitering on the center’s property without permission," the website notes.

Apparently basing their report on off-the-record conversations with unnamed sources, CrownHeights.info said that two officers from the 71st precinct arrived and woke the man. "Confused as to why he was being accosted by police, the man refused the officers’ attempts to escort him outside, insisting that he had permission to be there and asking that they allow him to prove it."

The young man can be seen passively resisting arrest, by holding his hands behind his back to avoid being handcuffed.

The male police officer then assumed a boxing stance and began pummeling his victim.

"Over the next couple of minutes the man is also pepper-sprayed and beaten with a truncheon by the female officer, all while posing no threat to the officers’ well-being whatsoever," writes the website.

A source confirmed to CrownHeights.info that the man had full permission to be at the ALIYA center, and that had been living there for a month without any trouble. It is unknown who called the police or why.

The man is reportedly being charged with assault on a police officer – a felony – which can bring a sentence of 5 years in prison upon conviction. He is also facing four misdemeanor charges and four violations, including trespassing, resisting arrest and harassment. He has been released on bail.

CrownHeights.info added that ALIYA "declined to comment on the matter in any official capacity."

Judging by his name, the young man is probably Israeli, or Israeli-born.

Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks · « **Reply #14 on:** October 16, 2012, 02:54:50 AM »

No of course it makes no difference to the beating victim but what kind of a "Jewish community center" calls the cops on a man that it told is allowed to sleep there? This is the worst kind of backstabbing I have ever seen. Y-S to this JCC.

mord · « **Reply #15 on:** October 16, 2012, 06:45:28 AM »

I can guarantee you i have handcuffed 5x as many guys then this cop did and this guy is a small skinny person.When you handcuff someone you don't get into a boxing stance you can use his shoulder and wrist to get him to comply.

Tag-MehirTzedek · « **Reply #16 on:** October 16, 2012, 04:12:44 PM »

Quote from: Brennanfan on October 16, 2012, 02:14:47 AM

Just a question--is this a real synagogue or a Deform bath house?

Crown Heights, soo almost definitely Chabad.

Dr. Dan · « **Reply #17 on:** October 16, 2012, 04:30:06 PM »

What I'm about to say may shock all of you because as you know, I'm a big defender of Jews.

When I saw this video and what transpired, my initial reaction was that the one arrested had it coming to him. I did not judge the "criminal" based on his background or anything. What I saw in the video was a cop arresting him and then the arrestee wanting to start a fight and the cop responding by basically saying, "oh you want to fight me? Let me show you what that would be like." And in any situation if that actually happened, I tend to side with the cop.

So what really happened? I'm not sure. All I have heard in the news is that this homeless person who could be Jewish was allegedly invited into this Jewish center (which is orthodox). It's conflicting to understand why the cops came to begin with if this homeless man was invited to stay. If he was invited to stay then why were cops called in? Perhaps there was a misunderstanding by someone who saw this shirtless stranger and they got scared.

why was the homeless man resisting arrest? Was he on drugs? Was he pleading that he was innocent and the cops weren't listening to his plea and telling him to shut up? Was the homeless man a threat to the cops at the time of arrest? All of these things need to be answered.

So based on the previous paragraph on all of those questions, I have two points. The victim is innocent until proven guilty from an American point of view. From a Jewish point of view, because the victim might be Jewish and reaching out to an orthodox organization to house, he is innocent until proven guilty. From another point of view..because he is homeless and could be as evil as many other homeless people..his victim could be seen as guilty until proven innocent. That's 2-1 in favor of the victim and perhaps my reaction should be more of outrage for the victim and against the cop.

I don't think this incident was a hate crime, but more needs to be seen. If anyone can clarify to me what really happened, let me know. Who is this homeless Jew and why is he homeless and was he under any influence of drugs or alcohol? Why did it appear in the video that he was resisting arrest and about to start a fight with the cop? Why would any sane individual try to fight a police officer or resist him?

When we see blacks resist, don't we see the same thing? Even when they should have nothing to hide, we see this. We don't side with blacks when this happens. So why do we side with this homeless person if he was doing the same of resisting arrest? Because he's our brother Jew we should side with him? Yes, we should side with him...but on the urging to tell the victim not to be an idiot to resist arrest against someone who can brutalize him even if he is wrong for doing it. It's not like this homeless Jew is protecting Judea and Samaria.

Dr. Dan · « **Reply #18 on:** October 16, 2012, 04:37:09 PM »

Let's also assume that the victim was trespassing. Was he told to leave before he was arrested? I think so, by watching the video. And when someone resists leaving, the police have a right to arrest you and put you in handcuffs.

And the victim to resist arrest and appeared to be a little violent...not the kind where they pull out their wallet and pretending it's gun type of resist...was it a sufficient outburst that put the police in danger? I don't think so. So was the reaction appropriate to be punched? Probably not.

But again, from watching this video without sound, I feel that the police were only doing their job..however, they were a bit too brutal. I think the punching and beating was a bit too much and the police should be reprimanded on that behavior as excessive.

Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks · « **Reply #19 on:** October 16, 2012, 05:31:55 PM »

I see your point Dan but what the heck is the purpose of a Jewish community center if not to offer support and assistance to troubled Jews? It doesn't matter if he was a bum or a crackhead or whatever. This poor guy thought he had a safe place to stay, but he didn't. This JCC should at absolute bare minimum have its operating license revoked.

Dr. Dan · « **Reply #20 on:** October 16, 2012, 06:24:30 PM »

Quote from: Brennanfan on October 16, 2012, 05:31:55 PM

I see your point Dan but what the heck is the purpose of a Jewish community center if not to offer support and assistance to troubled Jews? It doesn't matter if he was a bum or a crackhead or whatever. This poor guy thought he had a safe place to stay, but he didn't. This JCC should at absolute bare minimum have its operating license revoked.

Yes, it should people. I'm not faulting helping the homeless. The question is was he trespassing? Imo, yes. Is rabbi feiglan lying. Imo, yes. I would have lied too that he was invited to be merciful to the kind. The guy who called the cops was probably freaked out when saw the shirtless bum. I would have been also. And if I was homeless, Gd forbid, and cold, I would have been upset that the cops were telling me to leave. I just would have not resisted arrest and looked for another shelter for that night.

Dr. Dan · « **Reply #21 on:** October 16, 2012, 06:26:43 PM »

If I were a juror trying the bum, he would be guilty of trespass and avoiding arrest.

If I were a juror for police brutality, I would say yes guilty to the cop

Secularbeliever · « **Reply #22 on:** October 16, 2012, 07:28:37 PM »

The obvious answer is that the guy who called the cops was not aware that this fellow had permission to stay there. It sounds like misunderstanding and miscommunication all around. Mix in confused homeless guy, impatient cop and you have this mess.

Dr. Dan · « **Reply #23 on:** October 16, 2012, 07:42:48 PM »

Quote from: Secularbeliever on October 16, 2012, 07:28:37 PM

The obvious answer is that the guy who called the cops was not aware that this fellow had permission to stay there. It sounds like misunderstanding and miscommunication all around. Mix in confused homeless guy, impatient cop and you have this mess.

This is what the homeless guys lawyer needs to prove. And I would be on the homeless guy's side in proving this and also to defend his civil rights afterwards since I feel there was brutality when it wasn't called for in this situation. Despite that, conventional wisdom is to advise not to resist arrest or put oneself in danger with any cop that could tick him off even when you're right and he's wrong

Tag-MehirTzedek · « **Reply #24 on:** October 16, 2012, 08:16:25 PM »

You know Dr. Dan read your posts here on this topic, you contradict yourself soo blatantly throughout your responses here.