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Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
« Reply #25 on: December 28, 2012, 12:15:23 AM »
This contra Bennett from Sackett's worried team:


Naftali Bennet and the Mafdal's Last Hurrah
 by Rafi Farber

Why it makes absolutely no difference how many seats the Jewish Home party gets.

Originally published in Settlers of Samaria

9 Tevet, 5773
Dec. 22, '12

Those of us who really believe Moshe Feiglin can and will lead Israel and the Jewish Nation to liberty by becoming Prime Minister have this refrain. We always say that we’re not trying to lead the Dati Leumi, or the Religious Zionist sector. We are not a sector, we do not believe in sectors, and we try to speak to the Jewish nation qua nation and leave sectors aside. We want to lead everyone and free everyone. Not lead a sector and try to cut off a hunk of publicly funded steak and bring it home to a ravenous constituency starved for tax-funded whatevers.

But even those of us with our eye on the ball sometimes lose focus for a second and get sucked back into the "sector" that we supposedly "came from," which in most cases is the Religious Zionist sector, the srugim, or whatever you want to call them.

We see in the polls that Naftali Bennett has totally revived the old Mafdal. He’s a new exciting guy, served in Tzahal as commander of a bunch of important stuff and did heroic things and whatnot just like Ehud Barak of the new up-and-coming then out-and-going Atzmaut (literally, "Forget Labor") Party. He was a highly successful career man and made a skrillion dollars just like Yair Lapid of the new up-and-coming and soon to be out-and-going Yesh Lapid (literally "There is Lapid") Party. Or was it two skrillion? I don’t remember exactly. And he can talk oh soooo smoothly - in perfect American English, with a perfect American accent, that’s so seductive. Just like -

Benjamin Netanyahu.

Mafdal, or Bayit Yehudi, or whatever you want to call it, might get a bunch of seats. Maybe 10. Maybe 15. Maybe 20. It doesn’t make the least bit of difference. Why? Because Naftali Bennett is nothing but a new Netanyahu with a kippah on. He has no conviction about anything but he can talk as if he almost does. For example, he can say contradictory things like, "A soldier should never have to choose between expelling a human being from his home and disobeying orders," and then end it with, "A soldier should never disobey orders under any circumstances," and state both mutually contradictory statements together with the same conviction, thereby effectively saying absolutely nothing, but making people think he has.

And then, as if he didn’t contradict himself at all, he’ll go on in the very next sentence and challenge his twin, Benjamin Netanyahu, to state publicly if he plans on expelling people from their homes again or not, as if trying to fork another politician will take the attention away from the fact that he’s trying to have his cake and eat it too as well. Well, Bennett, my little Bibi with a kippah, if he does, what will you do? All you’ve told us is you hope it won’t happen. But what will you do? Support private property or support immoral orders?

Bennett’s long term plan is genius. Get this: He wants to wait for the Arabs to "calm down". Of course this isn’t what Israel has already been doing since Oslo. Inspiring. That’s it! They have to "calm down"! Why didn’t we think of this before! When I think of Jewish History and our job on this planet and the reason we came back to Israel after millennia of exile, I think of Arabs "calming down," and when I picture calm Arabs, I get this kind of religious messianic zeal. Thanks Bennett. You have a very nice kippah and a cool buzz cut.

And his slogan: "Something new is beginning." Yes, something new indeed. Bibi now has a kippah. That’s new. And the new Bibi says right wing sounding rhetoric without committing to any actual positions and wants to wait things out until the Arabs "calm down". New Indeed.

Now, back to why it makes absolutely no difference how many seats the Mafdal gets. It doesn’t matter because the only interesting thing that is going to come out of this Knesset will be the Knesset speeches and Knesset actions of Moshe Feiglin from within the Likud slate. He’s going to be in the Knesset. Nothing can stop that. Likud isn’t going down to 20 seats under any circumstances. From that podium, from that pulpit, Feiglin will speak about liberty and Jewish values and Jewish leadership. And the Jewish Nation will listen. And he’ll say actual things that don’t contradict themselves. And when Netanyahu tries to do something stupid, he will fight tooth and nail and probably get sanctioned in some way or another, and he won’t be invited into Bibi’s little circle, and if he is named as a Minister he may get fired, and if he doesn’t get fired and Bibi tries to expel someone from their home, he’ll resign, and it’ll be great.

Moshe Feiglin won’t have to pull stupid political tricks like asking the "Prime Minister" from a press conference if he intends to expel Jews from their homes or not. He will be able to fight it and embarrass Bibi from within the Likud itself if he does. Bennett will be able to do absolutely nothing but yell. He won’t pull out of the government because he’ll fear someone from the Left will take his place. So in the end he’ll do nothing and say things like "I wish soldiers wouldn’t have to choose between expelling Jews and following orders boo hoo."

Meanwhile, while Bennett pouts and stays in the coalition posing no threat to Bibi whatsoever, Feiglin will be fighting from the inside and setting the stage for his next run at the Likud leadership.

So in the end, whether Bennett has 10 or 20 seats makes no difference. He’ll stay in the government just like every other Mafdal incarnate has over the history of the sector. Sometimes we Feiglinites forget that we are not in a sector and we are not trying to get sectoral votes for our party. We are not after "Religious Zionist" votes. We don’t want the Religious Zionist all suddenly joining Likud and filling out membership forms. We don’t want the Likud to be a sector. We don’t want to turn the Likud into the Mafdal. We want to lead the nation. That means we are after the votes of people who believe in the nation, not their sector.

Someone who feels they are part of the Religious Zionist sector more than they are part of the Jewish Nation as a whole should not vote Likud. Someone who feels that they are part of the nation should vote Likud, regardless of what kippah he (or she) wears or if he even wears one at all.

When all is said and done, the Nation will hear Feiglin speak softly, like he did yesterday, that he supports anyone who refuses orders on moral grounds, left or right, as he always has. Bennett will be screaming at a wall as he continually says nothing.

Bennett will speak loudly. Feiglin will speak softly as he always does, but this time he will carry the big stick. Let the votes fall where they may, and let the Jewish People separate the leaders from the politicians. Once they do, it will be clear. This is Mafdal’s last hurrah.
 

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Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
« Reply #26 on: December 28, 2012, 12:40:47 AM »
All of you who are looking to Bennett as a hero will be sorely disappointed.

 I dont have high expectations, but at least I see some progress in what he is doing and how he actually can and will take some power. His strategy at least is much better and much more successful then Feiglin ever will be.
.   ד  עֹזְבֵי תוֹרָה, יְהַלְלוּ רָשָׁע;    וְשֹׁמְרֵי תוֹרָה, יִתְגָּרוּ בָם
4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
« Reply #27 on: December 28, 2012, 12:51:04 AM »
I dont have high expectations, but at least I see some progress in what he is doing and how he actually can and will take some power. His strategy at least is much better and much more successful then Feiglin ever will be.
He will sell out in all the same ways as MBA, Marzel, Sharansky, etc. The pseudoright will always be more of a threat than the real left.

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« Reply #28 on: December 28, 2012, 12:59:03 AM »
He will sell out in all the same ways as MBA, Marzel, Sharansky, etc. The pseudoright will always be more of a threat than the real left.

 Disagree. Let's get real. The real left will combine with the Arab Nazis! Also control more of the media, education etc. Cannot happen. Let's not get over ourselves and say such things. The left will destroy when they have the opportunity. Not a big fan of the fake right and do not support them, but the leftists are much much worse and we should not be soo simple minded to say that they simply will not do the evil they intend. They will and on top of that they will claim "DeMOCKracy".
.   ד  עֹזְבֵי תוֹרָה, יְהַלְלוּ רָשָׁע;    וְשֹׁמְרֵי תוֹרָה, יִתְגָּרוּ בָם
4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
« Reply #29 on: December 28, 2012, 02:08:45 AM »
I agree that he will be a largely disappointing sellout and in the end more dangerous than the left.

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Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
« Reply #30 on: December 28, 2012, 03:03:23 AM »
Disagree. Let's get real. The real left will combine with the Arab Nazis! Also control more of the media, education etc. Cannot happen. Let's not get over ourselves and say such things. The left will destroy when they have the opportunity. Not a big fan of the fake right and do not support them, but the leftists are much much worse and we should not be soo simple minded to say that they simply will not do the evil they intend. They will and on top of that they will claim "DeMOCKracy".
The Israeli people (mostly) recognize the real left for what it is and the majority (mostly) rejects it. There is a reason why people like Begin, Shamir, Sharon, Lewinsky (twice), etc. keep getting elected PM. Even if they are far to the left compared to JTF, most Israelis inherently recognize that the overt Final Solution policies proposed by Labor/Kadima/Mapam are suicidal/genocidal. They elect PMs that they think are on the right, but their agenda is identical to that of the open and honest left. Every massive suicidal ethnic cleansing and handover of Jewish land--the Sinai, Chevron, Gush Katif, etc. has been carried out under Likud regimes. The people of Israel assume that a Likudnik must know what he is doing if he advocates land-for-feces and so they get behind it. Average Israelis do not usually get behind Shimon Parasite or Tziporah Hitler when they advocate what they do, but someone with the reputation of being a "hawk" can make it happen time and time again.

--With his untouchable status as an Irgun national hero, something like 90% of Israelis got behind Begin's Sinai handover.
--Oslo could not have happened if Shas/ROY did not give it its blessing.
--The Yesha Council effectively convinces average Israeli pioneers not to fight any government ethnic cleansings.

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Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
« Reply #31 on: December 28, 2012, 06:00:43 AM »
Bennett comes across as considerably more sincere than Pipi


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« Reply #32 on: December 28, 2012, 07:36:15 AM »
Sarah Netanyahu, a former EL AL stewardess, has been criticized for making the policy decisions for Pipi.

Now she turns her focus against Bennett & Shaked!

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdContributors/Article.aspx?id=297590
"The energy that Mrs. (Sara) Netanyahu invests in her pathological hatred of Bennett and Ayelet Shaked (No. 3 on the Bayit Yehudi list) could power the country’s entire electricity grid!"

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« Reply #33 on: December 28, 2012, 10:39:37 AM »
  YS- People will eventually turn against the Likud and the fake right. Give them more time to F#%"* up and people will turn more right and more right. They are not stupid and are not leftists. Also you say that with the open left evil things wont be done because they are afraid etc. Their is an argument to be made, BUT remember that it was arafat YSV who saved the nation from giving up almost everything. Barak was about top hand everything over. Soo beforehand as well. The opportunity for them did not come. If they had a chance they definitely would have and will. Let's not be naive.
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4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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« Reply #34 on: December 28, 2012, 01:16:54 PM »
I dont have high expectations, but at least I see some progress in what he is doing and how he actually can and will take some power. His strategy at least is much better and much more successful then Feiglin ever will be.

That is completely untrue.  Mafdal has been around since the beginning of time.  They are still an idiotic sector-party desperate for regime affection, acceptance and validation.  Their corrupt self image remains the same as it has for decades and decades of this pathetic, enabling failed party.  They have no inherent values except $hnorring for their sector and begging for acceptance by the elites and the regime.  No red lines, no vision for national leadership.  Bennett is a popular guy whose popularity extends beyond the sector and party itself but he has the same agenda and that is why he took over mafdal.  Mafdal heirarchy thinks they found lightning in a bottle and are trying to keep their hides alive while they continue their games.  They will continue to be prime enablers of Oslo.

Anyone who puts hope into this corrupt PC nonsense is out of their mind.this party will never oppose the regime because they see themselves as subservient to it.  I don't know what you can possibly see as positive about this "strategy"

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« Reply #35 on: December 28, 2012, 01:25:47 PM »
Bennett comes across as considerably more sincere than Pipi



"Sincere?"  Lol you are such an easy mark.

The flas in the pan personality cults always appeal to people who want to believe in a politician as personal savior.  People who want "hope" from personality instead of policy.  That's how obama got elected.  So how dare you criticize Americans?

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« Reply #36 on: December 28, 2012, 01:36:44 PM »
This guy is not even idelogically opposed to Oslo, so how could his "success" (getting a nice sized third party) possibly change anything or be a good thing?  Its a religious zionist bibi leading a religious zionist version of the Shas party!

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« Reply #38 on: December 28, 2012, 02:32:36 PM »
So once again there is no unity on the Right and we hand over the reigns to the left to go about destroying the Jewish state. Sometimes I wonder about whether we are doing any good by cutting down any and all alternatives to the sick plans of the left.

There is no hope, we should just pack up and leave Israel, because nobody could agree on what to do.... Im really getting tired of fighting all sides...

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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« Reply #39 on: December 28, 2012, 02:48:54 PM »
So once again there is no unity on the Right and we hand over the reigns to the left to go about destroying the Jewish state. Sometimes I wonder about whether we are doing any good by cutting down any and all alternatives to the sick plans of the left.

There is no hope, we should just pack up and leave Israel, because nobody could agree on what to do.... Im really getting tired of fighting all sides...

Unity on the right?  Mafdal is not rightwing and never has been.  This is the party of the yesha council scoundrels and the enabling if gaza expulsion, the very opposite of what they supposedly stand for.  Even as a sector party they actually sacrificed their own sector on the altar of their gods the israeli regime and its puppeteers.   "Packing up and going home" is not only forbidden but also makes no sense.  But cheerleading for those who betray the Jewish people is equally senseless.

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« Reply #40 on: December 28, 2012, 02:56:52 PM »
A fake right is more dangerous than the left.
If someone says something bad about you, say something nice about them. That way, both of you would be lying.

In your heart you know WE are right and in your guts you know THEY are nuts!

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« Reply #41 on: December 28, 2012, 02:59:09 PM »
So once again there is no unity on the Right and we hand over the reigns to the left to go about destroying the Jewish state. Sometimes I wonder about whether we are doing any good by cutting down any and all alternatives to the sick plans of the left.

There is no hope, we should just pack up and leave Israel, because nobody could agree on what to do.... Im really getting tired of fighting all sides...
The phony right is and always will be more dangerous than the left. The fake right wants to do everything the left does, but applies a hearty does of snake oil to wash it down. Hitler wants to destroy Judea and Samaria. Peepee does too, he just isn't as forward about it. If Hitler were in office, she would lack any credibility with at least half of Israelis because she does not have the reputation of a "hawk". Those pseudorightists that pretend to be religious nationalists, such as Shas members and Bennett/MBA, are even worse because they appear to have halachic backing when they support the Israeli government.

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« Reply #42 on: December 28, 2012, 05:47:19 PM »
The point of my sarcasm is that if I believed everything here I would have no hope to go forward because the only news I heard here is that there is nobody, right or left, who will be able to turn things around. If this is the case what is the point of praying for something which is impossible. The only thing, short of Moshiach arriving, is to put my tail between my legs and run from the problems. One thing that most JTFers like is to see just how helpless the Jewish people are. Are we to believe that only if Chaim were to be in Israel things would turn around? And if we believe this then what is being done to accomplish this? I don't like spending time on useless causes. And I consistently feel that JTFs harping on the negativity of the situation causes some (as it is doing to me) to lose complete hope.

If we could put support behind someone, someone who had a chance, and had a plan to accomplish our goals I would feel a lot better. But this has been going on and on, and there is really no uniform vision of how to accomplish the goals which I believe JTF and most Religious Zionists share.

I still have hope that there will be voices in the upcoming government which will continue to speak for the religious zionists. I just wish there was more we could do than make polls trying to curse those who are in power now.

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
« Reply #43 on: December 28, 2012, 06:21:55 PM »
The point of my sarcasm is that if I believed everything here I would have no hope to go forward because the only news I heard here is that there is nobody, right or left, who will be able to turn things around. If this is the case what is the point of praying for something which is impossible. The only thing, short of Moshiach arriving, is to put my tail between my legs and run from the problems. One thing that most JTFers like is to see just how helpless the Jewish people are. Are we to believe that only if Chaim were to be in Israel things would turn around? And if we believe this then what is being done to accomplish this? I don't like spending time on useless causes. And I consistently feel that JTFs harping on the negativity of the situation causes some (as it is doing to me) to lose complete hope.

If we could put support behind someone, someone who had a chance, and had a plan to accomplish our goals I would feel a lot better. But this has been going on and on, and there is really no uniform vision of how to accomplish the goals which I believe JTF and most Religious Zionists share.

I still have hope that there will be voices in the upcoming government which will continue to speak for the religious zionists. I just wish there was more we could do than make polls trying to curse those who are in power now.
Muman, Muman, Muman... I'm not sure what to tell you. Most of us just do not agree that we should reach out to false messiahs simply because we are desperate for some, any, kind of "change". Naftali Bennett is just the latest incarnation of the "rightist" establishment in Israel--a pretty face who says the right things but whose only real goal is to make a big name for himself and be idolized by the media. As KWRBT pointed out, his party Mafdal backs the treasonous Auschwitz Council and supported/tolerated the Gush Katif genocide. Bennett's a megamillionaire, but hasn't used one cent of his earnings on supporting the Hilltop resistance or Hayamin or to lobby for Chaim to be allowed to make aliyah. Am I supposed to be impressed by that?

Hayamin is the ONLY answer for truth in Israel and anyone who has followed JTF for any length of time knows it. Chaim has explained why this is many times over on Ask JTF and all of his videos. This isn't because Chaim is an egomaniac or refuses to work with anybody else, but because he has tried it and everybody else in the so-called Israeli "right", including the so-called "Kahanists", have either stabbed him in the back or shown themselves to be complete and utter frauds in every way. Let me remind you of the various pseudo-Kahanists and "religious Zionists" that have floated around Israel over the past decade or are now, many of whom Chaim has attempted to reach out to and tried to work with:

--The Shas party, which supported the Oslo surrender, the ethnic cleansing at Gush Katif, and every lopsided terrorist "exchange" just so that it and its supreme leader can get more gelt from the Israeli Bolshevik regime.

--David Haivri, the so-called Kahanist that calls Gentile members of JTF, such as the proud Noahide Jimmy Sullivan "dirty goyim", compares Chaim to Adolf Hitler, works for the Yesha Council, and rats out fellow Jews, even fellow traitors like Mike Guzofsky.

--Mike Guzofsky, who falsifies his historical relationship with HaRav, supports the monsters Irv and Shelly Rubin, savagely attacks Chaim and numerous JTFers, and has even supported Nazis at times (i.e. Tina Greco, Andrew Newman, Kelly Taylor, etc.) just to get back at JTF.

--Moshe Feiglin, who advocates legalizing drugs and denounces Jewish saints like Yigal Amir and Dr. Goldstein, the likes of whom we are not fit to wipe the dog crap off the shoes of.

--Aryeh Eldad, who says that Jewish saints/martyrs (like the above) should rot in prison for the rest of their lives.

--Baruch Marzel and his flunky Itamar Ben-Gvir, who have waged a savage slander campaign against Chaim, make fun of wonderful Lubavitch Jews, and gleefully hired a proud Hitler supporter (Uzi Zalka) that celebrates the Shoah.

--Michael Ben-Ari, who, among other things, ridicules Hayamin's videos, supports the treasonous Shas party, praises Nazi butchers such as Yitzhak Rabin, says that Israel should not take action against Iran, and rejects removal of the Arabs.

How many more examples of this do you need Muman? We can't work with these individuals. These are really despicable, self-centered, live-in-the-moment self-hating Jews. They are in it for themselves only and have no Torah principles. There is no fellowship between people of righteousness and people of darkness and we are kidding ourselves if we pretend that there is. G-d is the answer, not snake-oil peddlers that deceitfully hawk their worthless wares. G-d alone will save Israel, not any of these frauds and phonies.

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« Reply #44 on: December 29, 2012, 02:30:00 PM »
What an ugly kurva.


And it's getting worse, in accordance with Chaim's ironclad principle that leftwingers and pseudo rightwingers become more ugly in proportion to the more traitorous they become!


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« Reply #45 on: December 29, 2012, 06:16:59 PM »
The phony right is and always will be more dangerous than the left. The fake right wants to do everything the left does, but applies a hearty does of snake oil to wash it down. Hitler wants to destroy Judea and Samaria. Peepee does too, he just isn't as forward about it. If Hitler were in office, she would lack any credibility with at least half of Israelis because she does not have the reputation of a "hawk". Those pseudorightists that pretend to be religious nationalists, such as Shas members and Bennett/MBA, are even worse because they appear to have halachic backing when they support the Israeli government.

 Bennett never pretended. He says and said that leaving Judea and Samaria is suicide and he lays out the plan very effectively with his maps. Also has understanding the rocket range dinger to his children and to the nation. He is no Rav Kahane but no one else. He also does not claim to have the long term solutions but his plan will and does temporarily stop furthur retreats that is for sure. He did and does say that he will not expel Jews (not arabs as well, but that is a different thing and something we will work for and accomplish in the future)
 Shas- Doesnt and didn't call themselves "religious nationalists". Their main priorities is taking care of the economically poor Sefardim. That is their main objective and goal. That is what they preach (especially Deri). Also about Gazza they did not participate. (I am just telling you the facts and not supporting them).

 Also YS- the different groups and people you mentioned, if (and G-D willing when) Chaim gets to Israel and Hayamin becomes a party who do you think he and the party will make alliances with? You know you need to have a majority and I do not believe that Chaim will sit with Meritz or the Arabs (or probably even labor). Am I wrong?
.   ד  עֹזְבֵי תוֹרָה, יְהַלְלוּ רָשָׁע;    וְשֹׁמְרֵי תוֹרָה, יִתְגָּרוּ בָם
4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
« Reply #46 on: December 29, 2012, 06:52:06 PM »
Bennett never pretended. He says and said that leaving Judea and Samaria is suicide and he lays out the plan very effectively with his maps. Also has understanding the rocket range dinger to his children and to the nation. He is no Rav Kahane but no one else. He also does not claim to have the long term solutions but his plan will and does temporarily stop furthur retreats that is for sure. He did and does say that he will not expel Jews (not arabs as well, but that is a different thing and something we will work for and accomplish in the future)
 Shas- Doesnt and didn't call themselves "religious nationalists". Their main priorities is taking care of the economically poor Sefardim. That is their main objective and goal. That is what they preach (especially Deri). Also about Gazza they did not participate. (I am just telling you the facts and not supporting them).

 Also YS- the different groups and people you mentioned, if (and G-D willing when) Chaim gets to Israel and Hayamin becomes a party who do you think he and the party will make alliances with? You know you need to have a majority and I do not believe that Chaim will sit with Meritz or the Arabs (or probably even labor). Am I wrong?

Three responses to that Tag:

1: Most of these people want nothing to do with Chaim and JTF. Chaim has extended the olive branch to the so-called Kahanists in Israel several times, to no avail. They see him as a rival because they know that he speaks the real and full truth and that if he were a viable candidate, he would take away much of their support base. That is why they want nothing to do with him and have started slander campaigns against him. The moment he is allowed to make aliyah, they know that they will have lost their entire constituency.

Bennett, a multimillionaire worth over 100 million dollars, could change the political game on the ground in Israel overnight if he wanted to. With the amount of money and clout that he has,  he could turn Hayamin into a mass movement overnight and probably get Chaim into Israel eventually. Has he done any of that? I have yet to see any evidence that he is anything but a typical Fortune 500 jetsetter who is out for number one and number one alone.

2: We are supposed to rely on G-d for victory, not alliances with men. The goal of Hayamin is to win the majority of Israelis over and come to power outright, not to grasp and scrape for an alliance with individuals that are not our allies in any way, shape, or form. Chaim will not compromise on any of his values or play the high-priced call-girl game of politics. Is being idealistic a weakness? Is it a strength? I don't know, but it is what G-d expects of us if he is going to bless us.

3: All of the politicians on the Israeli "right" say what Bennett does in some way/shape or form. No Israeli candidate trying to get elected will say that they want to throw Jews out of their homes or give land to the Arabs. What is more telling is their omissions.

--Does Bennett advocate encouraging the Arabs to leave?
--Does he advocate ignoring the pressure of BHO and attacking Iran's nuclear facilities?
--Does he advocate ending Shas/Agudah shakedowns of the Israeli taxpayer?
--Does he stand up for Jewish prisoners and martyrs like Yigal Amir and Amir Popper?

Did you read any of the analysis that KWRBT posted? The Mafdal party is no different from Shas or Agudah or any of the other so-called "religious right" parties. Mafdal is part of the Yesha Council and the "peace process" like all the others. What is more reasonable to believe: that all of a sudden it has changed with Naftali Bennett or that the leopard does not alter its spots?

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Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
« Reply #47 on: December 29, 2012, 07:10:46 PM »
They've tightened up the "racism" and free speech" laws in Israel since the days of RMK.

The things that CBP can get away with saying in NY would currently land him in Israel an even longer jail sentence than he served in the USA. Sentencing a true Yiddishe neshomoh like Chaim to 5 years in Ramle Jail for "incitement" is an Israeli lesbian leftist female judge's wet dream!

Bennett has got to be really careful, as they are looking for any excuse to ban him from the elections, like they did Kach in 1988. That Bennett or his family take a bullet/have an accident in the next 22 days is also a distinct possiblity, Hashem yishmor!

If Likud/Yisrael Beiteinu continue to haemhorage seats to Bayit Yehudi, there's an outside possibility that Bennett could actually be asked to be PM! Then we might have a low-grade Messianic contender - low-grade, but at least a contender!

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Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
« Reply #48 on: December 29, 2012, 08:03:22 PM »
Let's say that people like Bennett do seriously F@#% up. That will only make us stronger. If the leftists (open leftists) take more control and power the fake right would tell people to give them the chance to change the situation. The longer the fake right does have power and either 1) doing what is correct or 2) messing up, the more people will be dissatisfied with them and then turn to us.

 (meaning option 1- everyone is happy, we get what is needed to be done, option 2 will get people dissatisfied even more and then turning more to us and giving people like Chaim the chance even more soo).
.   ד  עֹזְבֵי תוֹרָה, יְהַלְלוּ רָשָׁע;    וְשֹׁמְרֵי תוֹרָה, יִתְגָּרוּ בָם
4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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Re: Naftali Bennett for PM?
« Reply #49 on: December 29, 2012, 08:24:20 PM »
Let's say that people like Bennett do seriously F@#% up. That will only make us stronger. If the leftists (open leftists) take more control and power the fake right would tell people to give them the chance to change the situation. The longer the fake right does have power and either 1) doing what is correct or 2) messing up, the more people will be dissatisfied with them and then turn to us.

 (meaning option 1- everyone is happy, we get what is needed to be done, option 2 will get people dissatisfied even more and then turning more to us and giving people like Chaim the chance even more soo).
I agree Tag, it's kinda the same here... The left has control and the fake right is really not doing anything to stop them, they are going to burn this mother down, and then the people will look to the true right, and we will be able to pull this country out of the depths of hell, and establish Torah law once again!
Ezekiel 33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the horn, and the people be not warned, and the sword do come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity, but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.