The school shooting was a set up

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

I know, and I feel really really bad for the famiies and all the people involved! Something about the broadcast and the media seemed really fake and unnatural!

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Excellent post

Hiwarp did make good points, but none of his points suggest a setup.   Politicians live to promote their agenda and shnorr for votes at all times.  They don't have to make things happen.  Things happen all the time in a country of 300 million people.  But they will use those events for their own benefit.  (And his other possibility: politicians, especially the demagogues could very well be uninformed or misinformed).  None of this requires setups.

[HiWarp]

Hiwarp did make good points, but none of his points suggest a setup.   Politicians live to promote their agenda and shnorr for votes at all times.  They don't have to make things happen.  Things happen all the time in a country of 300 million people.  But they will use those events for their own benefit.  (And his other possibility: politicians, especially the demagogues could very well be uninformed or misinformed).  None of this requires setups.

I don't believe this is a setup just like I don't believe any other mass killings are a setup. I believe that there are two kinds of politicians when it comes to something like this. There are the politicians that are reactionary and feel like they need to do something. They typically are misinformed and don't consider whether their proposed solution will help, hurt, or do nothing. Instead they think that speaking out, and passing legislation shows they care and that this will eventually lead to more votes. Then there are the politicians with an agenda that DO look at a crisis as a way to promote their agenda.

[GreenLightToGo]

Then there are the politicians with an agenda that DO look at a crisis as a way to promote their agenda.

I think Obama falls under this criteria.  He wants to disarm the American people to achieve the kind of government described before the semicolon in your signature.

[Rubystars]

Hiwarp did make good points, but none of his points suggest a setup.   Politicians live to promote their agenda and shnorr for votes at all times.  They don't have to make things happen.  Things happen all the time in a country of 300 million people.  But they will use those events for their own benefit.  (And his other possibility: politicians, especially the demagogues could very well be uninformed or misinformed).  None of this requires setups.

This thread has been pretty active with people debating so I count that as a success for the forum. I don't think it can be demonstrated one way or another to be true. All I did was post an opinion. Whether it's actually true or not, I don't know.

You have a good point too about the way that politicians exploit bad situations.

[Rubystars]

Wouldn't it require at least a little bit of evidence in order to suspect something?  If there is no evidence of something but you suspect it anyway, isn't that just a reflection of your own biases?

Even the "circumstantial" stuff you cite is flimsy at best (and that is being generous) but there certainly isn't any real evidence at this point.

I suspect it because these kinds of shootings have seemed to suddenly increase in frequency, at the same time the UN is putting more pressure on the USA to disarm its citizens and when we have a president who is more likely to be compliant to those wishes. This is all circumstantial of course. Maybe I just have a suspicious nature.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Btw did u see obama wiping away fake "tears" that weren't there?  What a fraud.

I also read in one news report that 2 white house staffers "held hands" during that speech.  Wtf?  Lol.

[Dr. Dan]

I think the only reason why shootings have increased is because the media has brought it up extensively.  And by making a huge deal about these shootings, it has encouraged sick sick people to want to do something like that in order to become famous in their warped minds.

You give too much attention to something, more people will want to get that attention. 

This was not a set up by any government agency...there is no conspiracy here.  Quite simply, the politicians are trying to cash in on this tragedy to take away our freedoms and to give them more power.

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

This media coverage is just killing me, they're doing a really good job convincing people to ban guns.

I would like to say... many law enforcement, military, and martial artists, if they wanted to. Could easily go in to a school barricade a door, kill a teacher, and kill a majority of the children with their bare hands, before the police even got there.

 What are they going to do, cut everyones arms off...

[Rubystars]

http://www.politico.com/story/2012/12/barack-obama-to-announce-guns-task-force-85293.html

[Rubystars]

Btw did u see obama wiping away fake "tears" that weren't there?  What a fraud.

I also read in one news report that 2 white house staffers "held hands" during that speech.  Wtf?  Lol.

Well we always knew Obama wasn't going to cry real tears over dead white kids.

[Rubystars]

Here's a thought experiment for everyone. Imagine saying "The politicians and government officials want to help me, they want the best for me, they are good guys, they want to do something to make my life better. They're good people who care about me."  If you can get that far into the thought experiment without laughing or realizing that all those statements are BS...  then you trust government a lot more than I do.

[BritishSword]

I could go with it being a set up.
  The minute I saw the headline in yahoo news I thought there have been too many of these in too short a space of time. It does seem to benefit gun control loons more than anyone else.
  Its not unusual for the CIA to use crazy people to get done what they want to be done.
Didn't the killer shoot himself at the end, so he won't be able to shed any light on the matter... how inconvenient.

[Rubystars]

I could go with it being a set up.
  The minute I saw the headline in yahoo news I thought there have been too many of these in too short a space of time. It does seem to benefit gun control loons more than anyone else.
  Its not unusual for the CIA to use crazy people to get done what they want to be done.
Didn't the killer shoot himself at the end, so he won't be able to shed any light on the matter... how inconvenient.

Some of the witnesses say there was more than one shooter, just like in the theater situation.  However in both cases only one person was brought forward as the bad guy.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

I could go with it being a set up.
  The minute I saw the headline in yahoo news I thought there have been too many of these in too short a space of time. It does seem to benefit gun control loons more than anyone else.
  Its not unusual for the CIA to use crazy people to get done what they want to be done.
Didn't the killer shoot himself at the end, so he won't be able to shed any light on the matter... how inconvenient.

Um ok, but there are survivors (wounded) and eyewitnesses.    Is there even a single person who is saying the assailant wasn't this guy?    Or even one who is saying there were additional shooters that they saw shoot?

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Some of the witnesses say there was more than one shooter, just like in the theater situation.  However in both cases only one person was brought forward as the bad guy.

Actually, a witness I saw said that he saw a guy getting booked by the cops.  I have yet to see anyone say they saw someone else shooting.   And I would like to know how that makes it a setup?    It could be they wrongfully arrested an adult during the chaos when he wasn't a shooter. 

Even if you assume the absolute worst that there was a second guy and they are hiding it, what is their motive?   Do you honestly believe an entire police force would be in on this?   Obviously they would all have to go along if that's really the reason why we are not hearing about the second guy.     Not one single person in the entire force including the arresting officer would cry foul if there was a setup and coverup?    Impossible to believe.

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

I would like to say, it is very suspicious! All of these attacks since Obama has been president? I would also like to add, there's also been a lot of foiled terrorist attacks, how do we know these are not being set up, to make it look like we're fighting terrorism?

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

I would like to say, it is very suspicious! All of these attacks since Obama has been president? I would also like to add, there's also been a lot of foiled terrorist attacks, how do we know these are not being set up, to make it look like we're fighting terrorism?

 What? America (and really the world) almost always had crazy people who went on murdering. This news unfortunately is not news.

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

What? America (and really the world) almost always had crazy people who went on murdering. This news unfortunately is not news.

What, you don't think this seems like propaganda from the administration? Yes I agree, maybe the Obama regime is just publicizing more of these instances! 

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

What, you don't think this seems like propaganda from the administration? Yes I agree, maybe the Obama regime is just publicizing more of these instances!

Even though there were several this year, the rate has been flat over the long term.   There is not an increase.

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

Even though there were several this year, the rate has been flat over the long term.   There is not an increase.

Ok, let's say it has been the the same... then why is it being publicized so much? To further the agenda of the administration! What about the attacks with in the White House yard, don't they have secret service?

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

Ok, let's say it has been the the same... then why is it being publicized so much? To further the agenda of the administration! What about the attacks with in the White House yard, don't they have secret service?

 Dude relax. I think you are being paranoid. With all due respect their is really nothing new or much different. Just don't watch the news + now their is the internet to add to it. It is just the times and not the incident in particular.

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

Dude relax. I think you are being paranoid. With all due respect their is really nothing new or much different. Just don't watch the news + now their is the internet to add to it. It is just the times and not the incident in particular.

I'm NOT upset! I just find the news to be very odd and upside down lately!

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

The media and the politicians in their opportunist reactions to this tragedy have disgusted me possibly more than ever before.  I can't stand to hear another word from these people.   It's totally sick, and it is shameless.  They don't even try to pretend to be objective.    They don't cite facts, they don't cite studies.  Absolutely nothing about what they say is rational based or logic-based or evidence based.    And the minute someone dares to approach citing something empirical, it immediately devolves into personal attack and shameless emotionally provocative posturing yet again. 

"Are you saying that people should have automatic weapons to mow down children!?    How can you argue this, we are absolutely right and you are not only wrong but immoral.  Take your facts and shove them."    That is the childish reply given by the media to a fact-based point.     

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

In one shot, a pipe bomb could have done close to the same amount of damage! Okay, no pipe sales in the U.S.