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RIP Philippe Rushton (died Oct 2nd)
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Re: RIP Philippe Rushton (died Oct 2nd)
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2012, 04:14:18 PM »
Just on the intro --

I know that Chaim's official position is that all people are genetically equal in terms of intelligence...  This is an egalitarian view and it is also complete nonsense.  There is indeed a difference in intelligence between the races...

If you look at Steven Farron's work however, it contradicts the initial statements of this news reporter that Rushton insists Asians are superior in intelligence capability to both whites and blacks.  This is not true.  Whites generally have higher IQs and perform better than Asians once you eliminate Asian affirmative-action (Yes, this exists as well) as a factor.

It is my personal belief that Jewish intelligence genetically is superior to all the races.  I have been called a racist before for saying this, but if you examine anthropology in depth, you will reach the same conclusion.

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Re: RIP Philippe Rushton (died Oct 2nd)
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2012, 04:26:51 PM »
Just on the intro --

I know that Chaim's official position is that all people are genetically equal in terms of intelligence...  This is an egalitarian view and it is also complete nonsense.  There is indeed a difference in intelligence between the races...

If you look at Steven Farron's work however, it contradicts the initial statements of this news reporter that Rushton insists Asians are superior in intelligence capability to both whites and blacks.  This is not true.  Whites generally have higher IQs and perform better than Asians once you eliminate Asian affirmative-action (Yes, this exists as well) as a factor.

It is my personal belief that Jewish intelligence genetically is superior to all the races.  I have been called a racist before for saying this, but if you examine anthropology in depth, you will reach the same conclusion.

Pretty much everything you say here is based on personal belief rather than statistical fact.  If you believe all that junk without proof to back it up, then obviously it is racially motivated.   So how can you blame people for accusing you of racism?   

What "study" looked at Asian IQ's and performance minus the "asian affirmative-action factor" that you are basing your opinion on?   Exactly.

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Re: RIP Philippe Rushton (died Oct 2nd)
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2012, 05:31:52 PM »
No, it is not based on personal belief, it is based on biology, anthropoogy, and observational and behavioral science.

a)  The skulls of different races can be told apart
b)  blacks may behave more intelligently than other blacks if placed around whites, but they are still below average
c)  Whites have higher overall scores than Asians if Asian affirmative-action is eliminated as a factor
d)  Jews are vastly disproportionate to their overall accomplishments (Not just in science per se)

You can choose to believe what you believe.  Egalitarianism is a fable.  Women and men don't either share the same level of intelligence - that means to say - only men posses a noteworth ability for abstract thought, and that is why 99.9% of inventions on this earth are male inventions.  Yes, there are women who are scientists, but they would not be where they are without unfairly reaching their positions.  It is no wonder that the role of Marie Curie's husband is completely downplayed in her discovery of radiation.

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Re: RIP Philippe Rushton (died Oct 2nd)
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2012, 07:14:20 PM »
No, it is not based on personal belief, it is based on biology, anthropoogy, and observational and behavioral science.

a)  The skulls of different races can be told apart
b)  blacks may behave more intelligently than other blacks if placed around whites, but they are still below average
c)  Whites have higher overall scores than Asians if Asian affirmative-action is eliminated as a factor
d)  Jews are vastly disproportionate to their overall accomplishments (Not just in science per se)

You can choose to believe what you believe.  Egalitarianism is a fable.  Women and men don't either share the same level of intelligence - that means to say - only men posses a noteworth ability for abstract thought, and that is why 99.9% of inventions on this earth are male inventions.  Yes, there are women who are scientists, but they would not be where they are without unfairly reaching their positions.  It is no wonder that the role of Marie Curie's husband is completely downplayed in her discovery of radiation.

This too sounds Nazish to me.... The Skull Size thing is the very science that the Nazis used to PROVE that Jews were inferior..

My question is whether the poster has ever worked with women? Or with people of other races than himself. I find that most people regardless of race, if they are brought up with the proper morals, have the capacity to do good. I have never been one to believe that we are all equal. But I do believe that we all have abilities which can contribute to the welfare of the world, and the Jewish people.

And honestly I know a lot of pretty stupid white people.... Some pretty theiving, immoral white people too...
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Re: RIP Philippe Rushton (died Oct 2nd)
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2012, 07:18:02 PM »
In California Asians outperform Whites so decisively that top high schools and colleges discriminate against them.
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Re: RIP Philippe Rushton (died Oct 2nd)
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2012, 07:25:09 PM »
If Sandra Fluke is a dyke why is she so focused on contraception.  Seriously it is incredible that someone can become famous demanding that others pay for her birth control.  I would like others to buy me football tickets.

I think you posted in the wrong thread...

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Re: RIP Philippe Rushton (died Oct 2nd)
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2012, 07:26:21 PM »
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Racialism

The head bone's connected to the...bigotry bone?

Racialists were also known for having big skull fetishes. The pseudoscience of phrenology was incorporated into racialist theories during the 19th century. The variant of phrenology known as "craniology" or "craniometry" became popular during this period. Craniology attempted to measure intelligence using the shape and size of the skull as a proxy. Craniology was used as a justification for all sorts of bigotry. Brits, for example, declared the Irish to be inferior to Anglo-Saxons based on skull measurements. It could also be called a form of "scientific" sexism as it was used to "prove" the superiority of men.[12] Surgeon and anthropologist Paul Broca conducted some of the most famous large-scale studies attempting to demonstrate the intellectual superiority of whites and men.[13] Herbert Spencer was also known as a promoter of these ideas in his psychological writings.

Craniology is, of course, made of multiple layers of wrong. In theory, it is already two steps removed from what it's attempting to measure, i.e., skull size (cranial capacity, in technical parlance) is used to approximate brain size which is in turn used to approximate "intelligence." Cranial capacity can, in fact, be used to measure brain size. However, more advanced bigots have generally moved on to direct measurements of brain size (thanks in large part to modern brain scanning technology), which is where the weak link in the chain really is. The problem here is that the size of the brain by itself is not a measure of intelligence. If this idea were taken to its logical conclusion, the world would likely be ruled by elephants or sperm whales. To use an example much more comparable to humans in brain structure, Neanderthals' brains were on average a bit larger than ours.[14] So much for the Neanderthal master race. What is much more important than absolute brain size includes factors such as cortical folding, neuronal organization, dendritic and synaptic connections, etc.[15]

Furthermore, the size and shape of the skull is itself not set in stone. As was demonstrated a hundred years ago by Franz Boas, people who are raised with a higher quality of life tend to have slightly larger and differently-shaped skulls than those who grew up in poverty, with little food and limited access to health care.[16] It was this research, showing that upbringing plays as much a role in skull size and shape as genetics does, that helped to discredit the "science" back in the early 20th century.

For good measure, and to demonstrate how utterly wrong craniological ideas are, assume that there is a single part of the brain responsible for intelligence and that its size magically corresponds exactly to intelligence levels (or, in other words, set the game up in the bigots' favor as much as possible). Because we know about the neuroplasticity of the brain, this still does not prove any kind of biological or genetic determinism tied to the size of this part of the brain as we don't know the direction of causality, i.e. is the person smart because the hypothetical "intelligence cortex" happens to be large or is that part of the brain large because the person happens to have learned well?

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Re: RIP Philippe Rushton (died Oct 2nd)
« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2012, 08:14:41 PM »
All I know is that America needs a eugenics program if we're going to compete with Europe and Asia for influence and dominance. And abolish public education, which has been wrecked by teachers' unions and is destroying kids' minds.  Russia, Europe, China, Japan, et al love Iran. So it is a divine imperative for America to surpass them all in brainpower.

Also I am with Muman on this issue in that race means nothing to me. For example, many black Americans don't like Iran or Muslims. Even Obama has said that he will not let Iran get nuclear weapons under his watch. Compare Obama to what the leaders of China have said:

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Major General Zhang Zhaozhong from the Chinese National Defense University said China will not hesitate to protect Iran even if with a third World War, and that not hesitating to fight a third World War would be entirely for domestic political needs.

The Chinese Communist Party Foreign Ministry said during a press conference in Beijing on November 23rd (the same day that the US announced new sanctions against Iran) that China is opposed to unilateral sanctions against Iran.

A recent IAEA report (International Atomic Energy Agency) revealed what we’ve heard before, that Iran may secretly be developing nuclear weapons.

China evidently purchases large quantities of oil from Iran. China is Iran’s biggest trading partner totaling $30 billion. Voice-of-America has reported that according to Chinese customs data, this year (2011) Iran could become China’s 2nd largest crude oil supplier.
http://modernsurvivalblog.com/terrorism-war/china-will-not-hesitate-ww-iii-to-protect-iran/

The Chinese like Iran more than black Americans do. Obama is better than the leaders of China. So I think that black Americans deserve to be more intelligent than the Chinese. Obviously, they currently are not. But through a eugenics program in America, we can fix that.
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Re: RIP Philippe Rushton (died Oct 2nd)
« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2012, 08:40:13 PM »
Not to be a killjoy, but Rushton was a supporter of Amren and Vdare. So I'd say he was suspect.

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Re: RIP Philippe Rushton (died Oct 2nd)
« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2012, 08:58:41 PM »
I think you posted in the wrong thread...

LOL sure did
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Re: RIP Philippe Rushton (died Oct 2nd)
« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2012, 09:07:39 PM »
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This too sounds Nazish to me.... The Skull Size thing is the very science that the Nazis used to PROVE that Jews were inferior..
The Edomite establishment of the West is using the Holocaust to destroy White People with the assistance of unsuspecting and foolish Jews.

The logic goes something like this:

Nazis discriminated against Jews because of Race
...thus...
We must now allow Blacks to ravage the entire world because of this and vote for a Black "President".

The problem with this logic, and the logic of any idiotic Liberal Jew who always tries to argue that us Kahanists are Nazis, is that it was the Jews who were culturally (And I'm going to avoid the word racially here) superior to the Nazis, and the Nazis were the barbarians.

It is very easy to fall prey to this flawed logic, but once you realize how offensive this faulty logic is to Jews, for comparing pious, harmless, technologically backwards but religiously sincere European Jews to modern-day [censored], then you can go down the rabbit hole of the anti-Egalitarian crowd.

The fact is that race does indeed make a difference.  The data tells the truth.

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Re: RIP Philippe Rushton (died Oct 2nd)
« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2012, 09:38:01 PM »
This too sounds Nazish to me.... The Skull Size thing is the very science that the Nazis used to PROVE that Jews were inferior..

My question is whether the poster has ever worked with women? Or with people of other races than himself. I find that most people regardless of race, if they are brought up with the proper morals, have the capacity to do good. I have never been one to believe that we are all equal. But I do believe that we all have abilities which can contribute to the welfare of the world, and the Jewish people.

And honestly I know a lot of pretty stupid white people.... Some pretty theiving, immoral white people too...

Though black Americans are my least favorite group in America, I still like them better than 60% of the world's whites and 90+% of the world's Asians.

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Re: RIP Philippe Rushton (died Oct 2nd)
« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2012, 10:03:00 PM »
No, it is not based on personal belief, it is based on biology, anthropoogy, and observational and behavioral science.


What studies?

It's not based on any of that and you know it. 


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a)  The skulls of different races can be told apart
  Who cares?   No connection with your IQ claims.

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b)  blacks may behave more intelligently than other blacks if placed around whites, but they are still below average 
Cite a study.   What statistics uphold this claim?   Didn't think so.

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c)  Whites have higher overall scores than Asians if Asian affirmative-action is eliminated as a factor 

What study upholds this statistically?   

Didn't think so

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d)  Jews are vastly disproportionate to their overall accomplishments (Not just in science per se) 

What study confirms this?    Although it seems to be true based on the nobel achievements no doubt.   Still, how do you quantify this?  And why is it relevant?

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You can choose to believe what you believe. 

Indeed, that is exactly what you are doing.   Yet you claim to support it with a scientific veneer that isn't really there.   Just admit it's your belief system, no one will bite you.

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Re: RIP Philippe Rushton (died Oct 2nd)
« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2012, 10:06:48 PM »
The Edomite establishment of the West is using the Holocaust to destroy White People with the assistance of unsuspecting and foolish Jews.

The logic goes something like this:

Nazis discriminated against Jews because of Race
...thus...
We must now allow Blacks to ravage the entire world because of this and vote for a Black "President". 

If you lived in America, you would know that none of this has anything to do with the Holocaust.

The logic actually goes like this:    Blacks were slaves here, they were beaten and abused by evil white slaveowning masters, white people founded this country and oppressed blacks and white oppressor slave masters made all the rules and laws, and even after slavery was ended, blacks were harmed and mistreated and not given a fair opportunity.   Then there was segregation and Jim Crow laws.   Etc.    And therefore, we must have affirmative action to "right these historical wrongs."   Accordingly, blacks were never given a fair chance and only by now overcompensating and giving them better help than whites or other groups do we achieve some crude form of "justice."    Holocaust never even enters the discussion. Most liberal Jews don't want to bring up Holocaust because that's a "Jewish problem" - the last thing they want to do is assert their difference or Jewishness.     Civil Rights movement is the key issue.

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Re: RIP Philippe Rushton (died Oct 2nd)
« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2012, 10:10:52 PM »
A good first step to making up one's mind about this "race and intelligence" issue would be to watch this 4-hour video and check out all his sources, which the author links to in the description:


I have not done so because I don't really care about the issue.

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Re: RIP Philippe Rushton (died Oct 2nd)
« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2012, 10:58:25 PM »
GREAT YASHER KOACH DEATHTOISLAM1776!!!

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Cite a study.   What statistics uphold this claim?   Didn't think so.[/quote
The sources are cited in that video that was where coincidentally I got my ideas from.  I saw that video around  year ago.

/note: He gets a bit cocky torwards the end and gets a little ahead of himself with some of his conclusions.  I don't agree with a lot of what he says, but his arguments against egalitarianism are irrefutable.

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Re: RIP Philippe Rushton (died Oct 2nd)
« Reply #17 on: December 28, 2012, 02:07:36 AM »
Watch the video before you talk...  I just watched it again.

Culture _isn't_ everything.

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Re: RIP Philippe Rushton (died Oct 2nd)
« Reply #18 on: December 28, 2012, 02:17:18 AM »
LKZ, look, I'm just saying that America should be trying to do everything we can to exceed China, Russia, and Europe in brain power. I am all for trying a combination of Torah, eugenics, different education methods, and even more paranormal/arcane methods. Basically whatever it takes to beat them!

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Re: RIP Philippe Rushton (died Oct 2nd)
« Reply #19 on: December 28, 2012, 02:18:01 AM »
LKZ, look, I'm just saying that America should be trying to do everything we can to exceed China, Russia, and Europe in brain power. I am all for trying a combination of Torah, eugenics, different education methods, and even more paranormal/arcane methods. Basically whatever it takes to beat them!
Most of Russia and Europe's brainpower comes from its Jews.

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Re: RIP Philippe Rushton (died Oct 2nd)
« Reply #20 on: December 28, 2012, 02:19:46 AM »
Most of Russia and Europe's brainpower comes from its Jews.

And China's. Most of China's technology is just slightly modified technology of European Jewish and American Jewish origin. Same with Japan. Of course scientific knowledge and technology are one of the first things to cross borders, maybe after cuisine.
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Re: RIP Philippe Rushton (died Oct 2nd)
« Reply #21 on: December 28, 2012, 04:48:23 AM »
Rushton wasn't a racist or anti Jewish who at this conference he spoke at is either               http://preservingwesternciv.com/speakers.html
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Re: RIP Philippe Rushton (died Oct 2nd)
« Reply #22 on: December 28, 2012, 11:28:12 AM »
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The Edomite establishment of the West is using the Holocaust to destroy White People with the assistance of unsuspecting and foolish Jews.

The logic goes something like this:

Nazis discriminated against Jews because of Race
...thus...
We must now allow Blacks to ravage the entire world because of this and vote for a Black "President".

What do you mean the Edomite establishment is "using" the Holocaust to destroy white people?  It was the Edomite nations like Germany that started it, and the other Edomite (European) countries pretty much served up their Jews on a silver platter to the Nazis.  So your comment sounds very trollish.  Also, I've never seen the word "white," as in white people capitalized, unless it's written by a white nationalist. 

And for all the non-Jews here, Edom, according to rabbis refers to the Roman Empire, and subsequently Europe. 

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« Reply #23 on: December 28, 2012, 11:44:37 AM »
What do you mean the Edomite establishment is "using" the Holocaust to destroy white people?  It was the Edomite nations like Germany that started it, and the other Edomite (European) countries pretty much served up their Jews on a silver platter to the Nazis.  So your comment sounds very trollish.  Also, I've never seen the word "white," as in white people capitalized, unless it's written by a white nationalist. 

And for all the non-Jews here, Edom, according to rabbis refers to the Roman Empire, and subsequently Europe.
I agree Lisa. He reminds me of Din Rodef.

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Re: RIP Philippe Rushton (died Oct 2nd)
« Reply #24 on: December 28, 2012, 12:05:19 PM »
Rushton wasn't a racist or anti Jewish who at this conference he spoke at is either               http://preservingwesternciv.com/speakers.html
He traveled with some anti-Semites though.