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jsullivan:
Why all of this disrespect toward ftf? He IS the moderator of this forum.

Instead of debating the Muslim Nazi who came on the forum, you wound up fighting with each other.

This Muslim Nazi is our sworn enemy and represents an ideology of pure evil. He started to reveal himself in his posts as he spoke about how Torah Judaism distorts the word of G-d, and how Allah has said that about Judaism. Of course, he feels the same way about Christianity and every other religion. So he is saying that the Bible is a lie, and the Koran is the truth. Which is indeed what Nazi Islam teaches.

Now I agree with posters who say that we must hate Muslim Nazis who want to exterminate us. However, if Muslim Nazis come on this forum to debate, that only makes our forum more interesting and gives us an opportunity to sharpen our debating skills. We must NEVER forget whom we are debating. They ARE the enemy. But we have to learn how to defeat opponents in debate in order to spread the truth and refute the lies. Nothing better teaches us how to win debates than real live experience.

ftf totally opposed everything that the Muslim Nazi was saying, and was refuting the Muslim effectively. And Newman and others also brought up excellent arguments. But to start attacking ftf in the middle of a debate with the enemy is completely uncalled for. WHEN WE ARE CONFRONTING THE ENEMY, YOU DO NOT START ATTACKING YOUR FELLOW JTFERS.

ftf wants to debate Muslims without threats or insults. He feels that threats or insults detract from the main points that are being made to refute the lies of Islam. I have no problem with this as long as WE remember whom we are debating (this is NOT a decent human being with a mere difference of opinion, but a supporter of a terrorist religion that commands its followers to commit Nazi genocide against ALL non-Muslim "infidels"). If WE remember that, then there is nothing wrong with debating the Muslim Nazi and refuting him point by point.

Chaim and I have repeatedly requested that posters here not continue to dwell on what happened with Allen. To keep bringing this up, and to keep attacking ftf is unacceptable.

This is ftf's subforum and I ask that posters respect his wishes here. I especially do not want to see attacks on ftf for trying to do his job.

IF WE CANNOT LEARN TO RESPECT EACH OTHER IN JTF, THEN WE WILL NOT ACHIEVE OUR GOALS, G-D FORBID.

newman:
With great respect, Jimmy ftf started it by telling me to shut up on the thread. In addition he was abusing his authority by deleting posts that don't violate JTF rules. He also demanded we all be 'civil' to a muslim-nazi.

I can also tell you that a lot of members are astounded that he is still a moderater after challeging Chaims ruling regarding missionising to Jews and continuing to assert his right to do so.........all after the July 01 Ask JTF when all this was clarrified. Obviously it's OK to say 'well I don't care what Chaim or Torah say, my religion says__________ so I'll do what I like'.

Jump on me if you want but I'm not Robinson Caruso here.Brace yourself for when the other members see this thread in the morning.

Muck DeFuslims:
What's going on here is a moderator that was demanding we treat the Moozie with respect and deleting posts he considered disrespectful.

What's also going on here is a moderator that still hasn't renounced his view that it is right for Christians to attempt to convert Jews.

I have no problem with ftf debating Moozies without threatening them or insulting them. I think it's a waste of time debating Moozies, but I don't dislike ftf for engaging the Moozie, nor would I ever question his right to do so. However, when he starts deleting posts in the thread for being 'insulting' or 'slanderous' or not 'respectful' to the Moozie beast, then he's making an error in judgement which leads one to question his status as a moderator.

The deleted posts certainly contained no threats to the Moozie beast. Could they be construed as being slanderous towards Islam or disrespectful ? Perhaps. But that would be only be by people unaware of what Islam is really about or those too politically correct or afraid of speaking the truth about pedo-Mo's cult of death.

ftf would not have been attacked had he not put more value in being respectful to the Moozie enemy than being respectful to his fellow JTFers.

Respect is something that should be earned. The Moozie comes to the forum trying to convince us we're wrong about Islam and wanting to be treated respectfully. But he doesn't deserve respect.

The moderator insists we respect the Moozie and deletes posts he doesn't consider respectful enough and incorrectly denounces others as being slanderous. The same moderator has beliefs regarding the conversion of Jews, that I consider insulting and disrespectful as a Jew, and run contrary to JTF's policy of working with people that missionize Jews.

Jimmy, my question to you is should this moderator be respected because he is a moderator, or should he be respected for the actions he takes as a moderator and for his stated beliefs ? Think about it.

Lisa:
You guys, I can see where you're all coming from.  But Jimmy is right about showing unity when we're debating a moozie.  If you had a problem with FTF deleting your posts, or anything else, you could have just sent him a private message. 

Shlomo:
Yes, what good are we going to be if we fight with each other when a muslim shows up? That makes no sense. A little respect for each other goes a long way.

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