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What is going on here?!
newman:
--- Quote from: jeffguy on July 10, 2007, 07:05:51 PM ---
--- Quote from: ftf on July 10, 2007, 06:35:55 PM ---As I am again being lambasted regarding my religion, let me say this, I am not involved in and have never been involved in preaching Christianity to Jews.
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I don't think he can be more clear than that. ftf does not believe in missionizing to Jews, if that's what you are worried about.
We will never tolerate missionizing to Jews on the forum (on or off) and we, certainly, wouldn't allow a moderator to stay in that position if they believed this. ftf and I have talked in detail and he shouldn't have to keep defending himself on this topic. He is respectful of the Jewish faith and the Jewish people, newman. His love for Israel is enormous.
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Just seeking clarity, Jeffguy. The statement referred to past and present. It said nothing about the near future. But OK......I'll drop it if you guys are satisfied.
Muck DeFuslims:
--- Quote from: ftf on July 10, 2007, 06:35:55 PM ---I'm trying to let this die down, but I feel a need to defend myself this time.
The posts that I deleted, contained obscenities that cannot be appropriate for a forum that claims to be civilised.
And regarding respect, I can't respect someone who doesn't respect me, just like I can't tolerate Islam as it doesn't tolerate me.
As I am again being lambasted regarding my religion, let me say this, I am not involved in and have never been involved in preaching Christianity to Jews.
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I was going to let this die down too, but since ftf won't then I feel compelled to air some things out.
ftf is attempting to play the victim here.
That's a load.
He claims he is being 'lambasted' over his religion.
That is an outright LIE.
If anyone here has ever 'lambasted' ftf for being a Christian, I'd like to see it.
The only thing ftf has been criticized for is his belief that it is ok for Christians to try to convert Jews.
This is a belief he still has, but he avoids saying so, and instead plays the victim claiming he is the one being wronged.
I think ftf believes missionizing is an integral part of Christianity and takes JTF's policy of not allowing missionizing of Jews as an affront to his Christianity.
This is what he actually means when he says he is being 'lambasted' because of his religion.
If I am wrong, let ftf prove it.
This can very easily be accomplished.
All he has to do is say 'Christians shouldn't try to convert Jews'.
I doubt you'll hear that from him.
You might get a 'I won't attempt to convert Jews' out of him, but the truth is he still supports those who do. He has NOT changed the beliefs he openly stated when he threatened to leave this forum along with Allen-T.
In any event, ftf is full of it when he says he is being lambasted for being a Christian.
Now, moving on to the posts he deleted.
He deleted one of my posts, but his stated reason wasn't for obscenities.
No, he deleted my post because 'it contained nothing worth reading'.
Was newman being obscene when ftf told him to 'shut up' and deleted his post ?
I don't think so.
The truth is ftf took it upon himself to delete those posts because he felt they weren't 'civil' enough.
He's trying to prove he can win a civil debate with a Moozie. Fine.
But DON'T delete posts from other users who do not wish to be civil with Muslims or show Muslims any respect.
He claims "I can't tolerate Islam as it doesn't tolerate me".
Yet he demanded tolerance and civility and respect for a Muslim in a debate, and censored those who didn't wish to be 'tolerant'.
What can be more hypocritical than to say you can't tolerate Islam, but then delete the posts of fellow JTF members because they aren't tolerant or civil enough ?
This REEKS of hypocrisy, just as his position of - 'I won't missionize Jews, and never have, but I support those that do, and if you criticize me for this you are lambasting me for being a Christian' - does !!!
ftf says he can't respect someone that doesn't respect him.
As I stated earlier in this thread, respect should be EARNED.
I don't respect the distortion of the truth, hypocrites, or people that disrespect Judaism by thinking it's fine to try to convert Jews.
For those reasons, I have a real hard time trying to respect ftf.
I was going to let this rest, especially after reading Jimmy's response to Newman earlier in the thread, but ftf's 'explanation' of why he deleted posts and his disingenuous 'playing the victim' compelled me to reply.
Regardless of how I feel about ftf, if Jimmy, Jeffguy, Lisa and the rest of the administrators and moderators of this forum, whom I do respect, want this issue to end here, I will abide by your wishes.
The JTF message is more important than issues with any moderator.
Enough said.
newman:
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on July 10, 2007, 11:11:59 PM ---Sarah was never a real Muslim. She just wanted it to be what she was comfortable with but we showed her what it really was.
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Tacov,
That Abdulla is persuing Sarah with questions on the thread...no harm there. If he harrasses her with personal messages, though..... ban him. I trust you to keep an eye on things.
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