The Worldwide Crisis of Islam > The Truth About Islam
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newman:
--- Quote from: Zvulun ben Moshe on July 17, 2007, 10:45:58 PM ---
--- Quote from: Abdullah on July 17, 2007, 07:47:25 PM ---First to Zvulun ben Moshe-
Well a whole lot. For one the torah claims that G-d told the Jews to kill cites full of innocent people if they diden't surrender. I find that to be contary to common sence. Why kill innocent people? It dosen't say but don't kill them if they surredner after but just kill without mercy. Why? I also don't like how it personafies G-d. I don't belive G-d looks like a person or acts like on.
Second to Hail Columbia
You seem to be thinking I belive the Holy Temple thing- I don't.
You also seem to be under the impression that the Prophet Mohhamed(pbuh) invented Islam, Its just not true. Islam was the religion of Abraham and Adam(peace be upon them both).
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Abdullah, we will talk about mercy momentarily, but I want to comment on what you wrote to my brother Hail Columbia.
"Its just not true?" What, now you are claiming that you and Mohammed had the same nightmare?
Not true? Were you a witness? Can you prove it?
As I said earlier, if Mohammed spoke to G-d, then I speak to Him every night.
You don't believe me? I can easily force you to believe me, just the way Mohammed did.
Mohammed was kaffir, heretic, liar, rapist, pedophile. If you believe him blindly, then you are kaffir.
Don't forget, you don't have the right to call me kaffir (infidel), because I belived in G-d for thousands of years before you came and claimed to believe in G-d by making false statements. Arabs had been pagans before Mohammed and they become kaffirs of a different kind.
Therefore I can call you kaffir because you betraid and desecrated the word and entity of G-d.
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That's putting it mildly, Zvulun.
Zvulun Ben Moshe:
As Walid Shoebat said very rightly, for Muslims loayalty comes before the truth.
Here is the general rule. When you dare to change the word of G-d once, you will keep changing it forever.
That happened to every religion that came after the original Faith in One G-d, that is Judaism.
For example, Mohammed dared to change the Law, so the Shiites did the same and separated from Muslim Orthodoxes, that is Sunnis. There were Sufis too and others.
Once one man finds justification to lie, currupt, faken, then it becomes a norm for others.
That's the way, my friends, they have all these sects in their religions.
newman:
It continued with JWs and mormons and Branch Davidians too.
Zvulun Ben Moshe:
--- Quote from: newman on July 17, 2007, 11:55:50 PM ---It continued with JWs and mormons and Branch Davidians too.
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Precisely so!
Zvulun Ben Moshe:
Abdullah,
In today’s world when millions of people worldwide have a debate within themselves about the existence of G-d, ordinary people like many members of this forum are looking for any evidence to believe.
So, there are those who don’t believe, and thus are atheists.
And there are those who believe, and this group further separates into primarily three groups: Jews, Christians, and Muslims.
Judaism was obviously first in both chronological order as well as in theological order, that is both Christians and Muslims first confirm the content of Torah and only then claim to have a better substitution.
In contrast to Islam, which is based on an alleged dream of one person, who forced others to believe in his nightmare, the whole nation of Israel saw the miracle of G-d when He divided the sea before them.
Thus not only did the whole nation of Israel witness the miracle, but people of other faiths accept the authenticity of the Covenant, which was revalidated by G-d’s appearance to many Jewish prophets.
In reverse, other religions are totally based on claims of one person, who in the case of Mohammed claims to be not only the central figure of the new religion, but the only figure.
Maybe this is why it is difficult to believe for people of other religions because:
1) Judaism, which they accept as “the original covenant”, doesn’t accept their “new covenant”.
2) Their “covenant” has no witnesses. G-d came into Mohammed’s dream? Come on! G-d could have been more creative, if Mohammed slept that night at all.
3) Sectarianism is grinding the religions.
4) Darwinism finishes the job with scientific doubts.
Thus I don’t worry about Darwinism and proselytizing simply because:
1) My forefathers witnessed G-d’s power for me.
2) People of other religions accept the authority of Judaism.
3) I am calm knowing that Torah is the Original Word of G-d.
4) I was not forced to believe, especially in a nightmare of some camel shepherd, but chose to believe, and thus I am both chosen and choosing.
5) My Holy Book was not corrupted as a result of inaccurate or biased translation. It is the original, period.
Therefore, Abdullah, you can argue all you want, but you confirm my authenticity, and you have the burden to prove your authenticity to me.
I don’t think you will succeed. Mohammed did not either, and only then he decided to use mass destruction.
He made Islam a weapon of mass destruction.
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