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The Jews almost single-handedly defended Haifa against the crusaders, holding out in the besieged town for a whole month (June–July 1099) in fierce battles. At this time, a full thousand years after the fall of the Jewish state, there were Jewish communities all over the country. Fifty of them are known and include Jerusalem, Tiberias, Ramleh, Ashkelon, Caesarea, and Gaza.[2][3]
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Re: During the Crusades in 1009 the Jews single handed defended Haifa
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2013, 10:01:11 AM »
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Re: During the Crusades in 1009 the Jews single handed defended Haifa
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2013, 11:27:51 AM »
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Re: During the Crusades in 1009 the Jews single handed defended Haifa
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2013, 11:49:12 AM »
Too bad that today Haifa is a bastion of kapoism after all that heroic history.

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Re: During the Crusades in 1009 the Jews single handed defended Haifa
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2013, 02:04:48 PM »
Massacre of Jerusalem

What about this piece of the story?:

Jews fought side-by-side with Muslim soldiers to defend Jerusalem against the Crusaders.

[4] Saint Louis University Professor Thomas Madden, author of A Concise History of the Crusades, claims the "Jewish Defenders" of the city knew the rules of warfare and retreated to their synagogue to "prepare for death" since the Crusaders had breached the outer walls.[5] According to the Muslim chronicle of Ibn al-Qalanisi, "The Jews assembled in their synagogue, and the Franks burned it over their heads."[6] One modern-day source even claims the Crusaders "[circled] the screaming, flame-tortured humanity singing 'Christ We Adore Thee!' with their Crusader crosses held high."[7] However, a contemporary Jewish communication does not corroborate the report that Jews were actually inside of the Synagogue when it was set fire.[8] This letter was discovered among the Cairo Geniza collection in 1975 by historian Shelomo Dov Goitein.[9] Historians believe that it was written just two weeks after the siege, making it "the earliest account on the conquest in any language."[9] However, all sources agree that a synagogue was indeed burned during the siege.
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Re: During the Crusades in 1009 the Jews single handed defended Haifa
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2013, 05:12:43 PM »
Nothing wrong with that story. Both groups were in danger from lunatic invaders so it is natural phenomenon for citizens to bend together in defense of their city. I truly believe it would happen again if third party is to destroy both Jews and muslims in Jerusalem.
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Re: During the Crusades in 1009 the Jews single handed defended Haifa
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2013, 08:33:00 PM »
Massacre of Jerusalem

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 Soo? At the time it was good, important and noble to fight against the Crusaders who throughout Europe massacred Jews and and in the land of Israel came to massacre Jews (and others). Of-course the natural thing to do was to fight against them joining the Muslims or anyone else at that time who were defending themselves and each other.
.   ד  עֹזְבֵי תוֹרָה, יְהַלְלוּ רָשָׁע;    וְשֹׁמְרֵי תוֹרָה, יִתְגָּרוּ בָם
4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

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5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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Re: During the Crusades in 1009 the Jews single handed defended Haifa
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2013, 10:54:24 PM »
Crusaders back then were like Al-Qaida today. Today Christians have switched roles with Muslims. Galut Edom has given way to Galut Ishmael.


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Re: During the Crusades in 1009 the Jews single handed defended Haifa
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2013, 12:11:04 AM »
The people who called themselves Christians at that time behaved very badly to put it mildly.

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« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2013, 12:52:39 AM »
Crusaders back then were like Al-Qaida today. Today Christians have switched roles with Muslims. Galut Edom has given way to Galut Ishmael.

 Galut Edom still exists though, they (as organized groups, * not all individuals) still wish for the destruction of Am Yisrael but they figured out that they can only do it in more clever ways and their usual torture and forced conversions don't work.

 http://esseragaroth.blogspot.com/2013/04/happy-easter-israel.html
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Re: During the Crusades in 1009 the Jews single handed defended Haifa
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2013, 09:14:14 AM »
....and then we get bibi
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Re: During the Crusades in 1009 the Jews single handed defended Haifa
« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2013, 05:04:35 PM »
Thanks for the history of this era.    Amazing how Christians and Jews win when they are loyal  and obedient to Hashem....Definitely a theme throughout the bible, or Torah...straying away from Hashem, Idolatry, lack of faith, thinking we can do it on our own without his help...definitely does not bring us success, man has to learn the hard way, unfortunately.

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Re: During the Crusades in 1009 the Jews single handed defended Haifa
« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2013, 05:16:08 PM »
Thanks for the history of this era.    Amazing how Christians and Jews win when they are loyal  and obedient to Hashem....Definitely a theme throughout the bible, or Torah...straying away from Hashem, Idolatry, lack of faith, thinking we can do it on our own without his help...definitely does not bring us success, man has to learn the hard way, unfortunately.

How were the Christians 'righteous' in this? The Crusades were a wicked endeavor made by the Churches of Europe. Jews will never forget how they were treated at that time.
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« Reply #15 on: April 03, 2013, 09:13:45 PM »
Also, Xtians would massacre Jews to celebrate St. Valentine's Day. Jews should not celebrate such pagan nonsense which incorporates Venus and Cupid idolatry.


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« Reply #16 on: April 03, 2013, 09:24:20 PM »
This explains it but the bold parts are part of the problem of self-hating Jews but it's expected since this article is from Am Ha'Aretz.

A Jewish reason to hate Valentine's Day

There are many historical reasons for Jews to avoid February 14, apart from its blatantly Christian name and immodest connotatins.

By Uzi Silber | Feb.14, 2008 | 12:00 AM | 2

Beginning in kindergarten, our Upper West Side yeshiva teachers and rebbis implanted within us a virus known as Halloween Aversion Syndrome. This virus programmed our minds to utterly reject the dastardly thirty-first day of October and its wicked tradition of trick-or-treating. Halloween was muktzeh, idol worship, and pagan witchcraft rolled into one.

Our instructors would remind us that this was a particularly popular day for desecrating Jewish cemeteries.

In my case, their work bore fruit: I never trick-or-treated in our building on West End Avenue, nor would I distribute candy to all those pagan children in costume who came knocking at our door.

A similar process occurred with respect to St Valentine's Day, with its blatantly Christian name and immodest connotations. As a result, I instinctively recoil from all things Valentinian.

My anti-Valentine infection puzzles and disappoints my wife. She was raised in a particularly un-Jewish suburb in New Jersey, where, like everywhere outside the yeshiva world, Valentine's is diligently observed with red hearts, pink greeting cards, romantic dinners and bribe-like gifts of roses, jewelry and lingerie.

To her misfortune Valentine's antipathy was deeply embedded within me, and despite her best efforts, I remain thoroughly ambivalent about St Valentine's Day. A dozen roses are all it would take to please my wife, yet the virus causes me to routinely 'forget' to pick up a bouquet.

The virus was also responsible for my failure many years ago to secure reservations at a certain French restaurant on Lexington Avenue that my wife had eyed for some time. While initially upset, she was understanding upon discovering that the restaurant's menu consisted exclusively of braised rabbits, sautéed frogs, fried snails and boiled shrimps ? not very enticing for this kosher husband.

So whence this festival? St Valentine was a martyr of the late Roman Empire; actually there seem to have been three or even four Saint Valentines, all supposedly martyred in late antiquity. A feast on this day was established in his, or their honor. However many St Valentines had really existed, all would be no doubt disturbed by the contemporary nature of the day that bears their name.

The amorous legends that came to surround this day are understood to have been developed in 14th century England, notably by Geoffrey Chaucer and his circle, when the feast day of February 14th first became associated with romance and erotic pairing, at a time when courtly love was emerging into vogue. It didn't become a full-fledged commercially viable love-day until the 19th century.

Actually, Valentines might have been a Christianized version of Lupercalia, an ancient post-winter-early-spring Roman fertility and purification festival that was observed on February 15th in which boys slapped women with bloody goat's hides.

The amorously-charged Carnivale celebrations and its American variant known as Mardi Gras also take place at this time. And Purim, which also may have originated as a Persian winter's-end festival, falls around now on non-leap years.

Not to be a romantic spoiler, there is a grim, long forgotten reason for Jews not to rush out to invest in lingerie or make dinner reservations. According to Cecil Roth in his classic 'The Jewish Book of Days', it was on this day in 1349 that the Massacre of Strasbourg took place, perhaps the worst of the many anti-Jewish outrages that occurred during the Black Death. The locals had blamed fluctuations in the price of corn on the Jews, whom they suspected of being protected by the city council.

It was on February 14th that a mob barricaded the Judengasse (Street of the Jews) and drove the whole Jewish community into the cemetery where they built a huge pyre. About two thousand Jewish men, women and children were burned to death.

A new council was installed shortly after, and officially barred Jews from the city for a century. As it happens, this ban was eased 20 years later.

Among the spoils of that day was a shofar the mob had found in the main synagogue. This find confirmed the suspicions of the townsfolk: it was, they said, prepared by the Jews in order to betray the city. By blowing it, the Jews would be able to signal their unnamed allies lurking outside the city walls.

For many years after, the so-called 'Judenblos' was blown each evening on a 'grusselhorn', an imitation shofar, as a warning to any Jews within the city limits to depart before nightfall, and also as a reminder to the townspeople of their 'miraculous' rescue from the machinations of the devious Jews.

Jews could be forgiven then for choosing to skip Valentines. That's not to suggest however that romance is lacking in the lives of Hebrews: six months from now is the 15th day of the month of Av. Commonly known as Too b'Av, this is the Jewish love-fest. It's just as ancient as the Roman Lupercalia and at least as erotic as the Catholic Valentines.

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Re: During the Crusades in 1009 the Jews single handed defended Haifa
« Reply #17 on: April 03, 2013, 09:30:29 PM »
If it wasn't for Muslims though, the Jews would have been a targe of the Byzantine Empire. Arabia ended such a threat. Even Chaim said Islam didn't quite sink in yet. At that time Jews and Muslims where advanced while Europe was in a Dark Age.


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Re: During the Crusades in 1009 the Jews single handed defended Haifa
« Reply #18 on: April 03, 2013, 09:37:53 PM »
The crusades were a holy endeavor to take out the muzzbags, who had just massacred a bunch of their countries. Since Xtians couldn't legally read the bible, they clearly lost track of morality, and when the Pope decided that none of the rules of the bible applied when attacking Jerusalem, they became worse than muslims. Jews should never forget the muslim crusades, which came first, either.
Looting the Eastern Roman provinces was the main reason. The way those animals acted is anything but Christian. But who am I to say this. When I said what was done to Native Americans by the bloody  hordes I was attacked by no other than Native American her self.
I can not be more proud of decision by kings of Serbs not to participated in mass killing and looting in the Holy Land. We let them pass through our lands and that is even sin but we had no option.
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Re: During the Crusades in 1009 the Jews single handed defended Haifa
« Reply #19 on: April 03, 2013, 09:50:49 PM »
Looting the Eastern Roman provinces was the main reason. The way those animals acted is anything but Christian. But who am I to say this. When I said what was done to Native Americans by the bloody  hordes I was attacked by no other than Native American her self.
I can not be more proud of decision by kings of Serbs not to participated in mass killing and looting in the Holy Land. We let them pass through our lands and that is even sin but we had no option.
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Ezekiel 33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the horn, and the people be not warned, and the sword do come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity, but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.

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Re: During the Crusades in 1009 the Jews single handed defended Haifa
« Reply #20 on: April 03, 2013, 10:16:38 PM »
The crusades were a holy endeavor to take out the muzzbags, who had just massacred a bunch of their countries. Since Xtians couldn't legally read the bible, they clearly lost track of morality, and when the Pope decided that none of the rules of the bible applied when attacking Jerusalem, they became worse than muslims. Jews should never forget the muslim crusades, which came first, either.

 Huh? Please lets not play games and say ooh they first were good and it was some holy cause and they lost track or something. Leave the Muslim out of it for now, the Crusaders were evil. And no even taking Jerusalem from the Muslims the Crusaders had no business doing.

 Also their "rules of the Bible" were screams of "xst killers" and such. The common illiterate peasant did not participate in some "holy mission", it was all about pride and taking Jerusalem (the symbol that it is) from others and trying to prove their religion as being "supreme" and other such things that both they as the Muslims have been trying to do.
.   ד  עֹזְבֵי תוֹרָה, יְהַלְלוּ רָשָׁע;    וְשֹׁמְרֵי תוֹרָה, יִתְגָּרוּ בָם
4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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Re: During the Crusades in 1009 the Jews single handed defended Haifa
« Reply #21 on: April 03, 2013, 10:19:25 PM »
Apparently the Crusades did not formally begin until 1096, not 1009 as the title of the thread incorrectly posits... Although I see that the first post discusses a battle in Haifa in 1099 which was actually three years into the First Crusade.

According to Jewish history (the information I have come across) it was a response to an offensive by the the Muslim turks on Christian pilgrims in Jerusalem...


http://www.chabad.org/calendar/view/day_cdo/aid/386680/jewish/1st-Crusade-Begins.htm
http://www.chabad.org/calendar/view/day_cdo/aid/1240250/jewish/Jews-of-Jerusalem-are-set-aflame.htm

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1st Crusade Begins (1096)

In the early 1070s, the Muslim Turks commenced an offensive against the Christian pilgrims in Jerusalem. Pope Gregory VII offered his help to defend the Greek Christians, but the army he promised never materialized.

In 1095, his successor, Urban II, began to call for a holy war to liberate the Christians in Jerusalem. By the next year, more than 100,000 men had rallied to his call, forming the First Crusade. Urban and the local clergymen in Europe felt that the Crusade had another purpose as well--to annihilate all non-Christians in Europe who refused to convert to Christianity.

On their way to the Holy Land, the mobs of crusaders attacked many Jewish communities. On Shabbat, the 8th of Iyar, the Jews of Speyer (Rhineland-Palatinate), Germany were massacred. Many of the Jews of Worms, Germany were also massacred on this day; some of them took refuge in a local castle for a week before being slaughtered as they recited their morning prayers (see "Today in Jewish History" for Sivan 1).


Jews of Jerusalem are set aflame (1099)

When the crusaders captured Jerusalem during the First Crusade, the Jews of Jerusalem fled into a synagogue. The crusaders then set flame to the synagogue, burning alive all the Jewish men, women, and children who had taken refuge there. All Jews were barred from living in the city of Jerusalem for the following 88 years.

It appears this discussion is timely because one of the things we remember during the Omer period (the time we count the days from the 1st night of Passover to the day of Shavuot {50 days}) we remember the Jewish martyrs who gave their lives rather than convert to a religion which runs counter to Jewish faith.

Here is more information about this from the esteemed Rabbi and Historian Berel Wein:

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http://www.rabbiwein.com/blog/remembering-the-crusades-649.html

REMEMBERING THE CRUSADES

One of the reasons why the sefira period of time between Pesach and Shavuot is marked as a period of semi-mourning on the Jewish calendar is the haunting memory of the pogroms that accompanied the First Crusade in 1096. The first thirty-three days of the sefira period mark the deaths of the twenty-four thousand students of Rabbi Akiva in the times of the Roman persecutions initiated by Hadrian in the second century CE. However, the final days of the sefira period are days of mourning because of the destruction of the Jewish tri-communities of Speyers (Shapiro), Worms (Vermayza) and Mainz (Magence.) The Christian crusaders who were to embark on their holy mission to free the Holy Land from the domination of the Moslem infidels found closer infidels - the Jews - at hand. These Jewish communities were themselves very ancient even in the eleventh century. They were Jewish communities in Roman times and Jewish legend traces them back even to pre-Roman times. They were the heart of Jewish life in the Rhineland and were the seats of Torah scholarship for the Ashkenazic Jewish communities of France and Germany. The great yeshiva of Rabenu Gershom, the Light of the Exile, was in Mainz, where Rashi journeyed in his youth to study Torah from the disciples of Rabenu Gershom. The Jewish community was prosperous, well established and seemingly secure. However, the fury of the Crusaders fell upon that community, with hundreds being slaughtered and Jewish property being burned and looted. The Crusaders dragged their Jewish victims to the baptismal fount demanding their conversion to Christianity. Some Jews succumbed, but most of the Jews of those communities accepted death, even killing their own families rather than accepting any form of conversion. It was a dark time in Jewish history and remains as deep and dark a page in the annals of the Christian Church.

In the aftermath of the destruction of the communities of Speyers, Worms and Mainz, the Jewish communities in France and the Rhineland declined. By the end of the Second Crusade in the twelfth century, it was obvious that the Jewish future in those countries was dismal. In the thirteenth century, after the failure of the Third Crusade, King Louis IX of France expelled all Jews from living in his domain. In effect, this ended Jewish life in France for many centuries. The shadow of the Crusades haunted European Jewry till our day. It was the first of the Christian Holocausts perpetrated against the Jewish people in Europe. Tragically, it would not be the last. However, the enormity of the later Holocausts - Chmelienicki, Hitler, Stalin - caused the memory of the Crusades and their bloody cruelty to fade in the Jewish consciousness. It is the observance of the sefira period that has not allowed that memory to be completely obliterated from Jewish consciousness and recollection. We should be grateful for this, for it is in memory that we eventually find purpose and redemption.

The Crusades were a complete failure as far as the Christian world was concerned. It laid the seeds for the omnipresent hatred of Christians and Christianity in the Moslem world. It failed in establishing Christian control over the Holy Land. It weakened the power and control of the Church over the European monarchs and nobles. Eventually, the failure of the Crusades led to destabilization of much of Christian Europe as kings no longer set off on far-off adventures as easily as before. For the Jews, the Crusades represented a very rude awakening as to their truly precarious position within Christian Europe. In the end ,all attempts by the Jews to reach accommodation with their neighbors living in Christian Europe proved to be fruitless. The hatred and anti-Semitism bred into Europe by the Crusades and its aftermath unfortunately still finds expression today in the open hostility towards Jews, Israel and the free Jewish life that so mark current European society. To blame all of this solely on increased Moslem population in Europe is to whistle past the graveyard. The memory of the Crusades is not only present within us in our commemoration of the sefira period. It exists as well in the memory of the descendants of the crusaders. Let us pray that the sefira period will somehow be transformed into happier times for all concerned.

Berel Wein
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

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Re: During the Crusades in 1009 the Jews single handed defended Haifa
« Reply #22 on: April 03, 2013, 10:32:47 PM »
America was founded on Zionism, If it wasn't for us there would be no Israel or United States... When the Messiah comes, he will straighten everything out, and bring us to Hashem ...
Ezekiel 33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the horn, and the people be not warned, and the sword do come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity, but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.

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Re: During the Crusades in 1009 the Jews single handed defended Haifa
« Reply #23 on: April 03, 2013, 10:37:59 PM »
America was founded on Zionism, If it wasn't for us there would be no Israel or United States... When the Messiah comes, he will straighten everything out, and bring us to Hashem ...

 Not sure what you mean? Who is the us? Why no Israel or no America?
.   ד  עֹזְבֵי תוֹרָה, יְהַלְלוּ רָשָׁע;    וְשֹׁמְרֵי תוֹרָה, יִתְגָּרוּ בָם
4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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Re: During the Crusades in 1009 the Jews single handed defended Haifa
« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2013, 02:13:08 AM »
....and then we get bibi
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