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A New low for messianics
Sveta:
--- Quote from: muman613 on June 04, 2013, 02:18:24 AM ---Found Jews for Judaism on YouTube.... These guys have done a lot of research in order to answer the heretic Christian who tries to convert you...
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Very good video, I love Rabbi Skobac.
Wow messianics are soo silly. Just hearing them sing is as ridiculous as "the feel good kumyaya" campfire songs. I unfortunately attended one of those campfires when I started college and had to go to a "retreat" as part of the freshman orientation. Messianics and kumbaya evangelicals are one and the same.
Sveta:
Btw, have you seen the debates by Rabbi Tovia Singer.
I was watching this one, and I must say- The pastor's "I don't know" at the end of the video says it all.
Ephraim Ben Noach:
http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,67861.0.html
muman613:
--- Quote from: אפרים בן נח on June 04, 2013, 02:18:13 PM ---http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,67861.0.html
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Two (if not more) things are completely clear:
1) The Christian Messiah is clearly not the Jewish Moshiach.
2) The Christian god is clearly not the Jewish G-d.
Sveta:
--- Quote from: muman613 on June 04, 2013, 04:00:27 PM ---Two (if not more) things are completely clear:
1) The Christian Messiah is clearly not the Jewish Moshiach.
2) The Christian god is clearly not the Jewish G-d.
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Muman, I am not an expert on the Temple sacrificial system...but I am getting a new theory. Basically, there were different types of sacrifices in the Temple. And different types of animals were used. From bulls to goats to sheep, to doves etc.. Not just a "lamb" but I think the christian tradition is to say "lamb of G-d" based on the Pesach sacrifice.
Anyways, I was pondering the topic, as I was studing Torah...and just happened to have been reading about the sacrifices. And I don't have the best memory but the sacrificial system was never about slaughter an animal and you're saved.
It was a complicated process. Including the sprinkling of the blood, burning the insides of the animal. And depending on the type of sacrifice, what the Kohanim would be able to partake in.
But then you get the Christian messiah theory, in which one man becomes the ultimate sacrifice. However, in Judaism- sacrifice is meaningless unless one has repentance. Let's say one person "dies" for everyone's sins....all people of the world. However, if such people had no repentance, there is no valid sacrifice.
Another point, how does one person dying on a cross fulfill the sacrificial system in the first place? The sacrificed animal is taken to the temple and IN the temple at the altar is sacrificed. It's blood must be sprinkled there. That is the sacrificial system. Not a vicarious human sacrifice... any type of sacrifice NOT done inside the temple.
Otherwise, why would Hashem even set all the rules about how to do sacrifices, if He is just going to change His mind and break His own laws and suddenly, make a permissible sacrifice be 1) non animal and 2) not inside the temple- devoid of the entire sacrificial process.
Does this make any sense?
I hope I don't get in trouble, but this IS the Torah section. Hope no one is offended.
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