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Was 'Ed Snowden' a Hero or a Traitor

He was a Hero for exposing the NSA domestic spying agenda.
13 (76.5%)
He was a traitor for revealing national secrets
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Offline Israel Chai

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Re: Ed Snowden : Hero or Traitor
« Reply #25 on: June 13, 2013, 02:08:31 PM »


By the way, I'd be all for surveillance, if the gov actually was after muzzrats.
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Re: Ed Snowden : Hero or Traitor
« Reply #26 on: June 13, 2013, 02:18:18 PM »
If this info is used to spy on good Americans who are right wing, then he's a hero for exposing this.

If this info is used to find terrorists and their ties and to save lives, he's a traitor for doing this.
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Re: Ed Snowden : Hero or Traitor
« Reply #27 on: June 13, 2013, 03:08:42 PM »
If this info is used to spy on good Americans who are right wing, then he's a hero for exposing this.

If this info is used to find terrorists and their ties and to save lives, he's a traitor for doing this.

http://redflagnews.com/headlines/fun-fact-of-the-day-mosques-are-off-limits-to-obamas-snooping
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Re: Ed Snowden : Hero or Traitor
« Reply #28 on: June 13, 2013, 03:22:13 PM »
If this info is used to spy on good Americans who are right wing, then he's a hero for exposing this.

If this info is used to find terrorists and their ties and to save lives, he's a traitor for doing this.

Perhaps he is then hero and traitor?? Or Maybe we can just call him a HERO??  To me, he is a Hero.  The good outweighs the bad!  Of course, by them spying on the entire American public, they have the potential thwart terrorist attacks to some degree..  As I said earlier, in Nazi Germany, you would probably never have any Islamic terrorist attack, because the Nazis had absolute control of the population and people were so heavily monitored and limited in the activities they could perform under a strict, fascist police state.

It is like gun control, maybe we could have saved a few lives by banning guns, as no whackjob could just go and own a gun.  But, many more people's lives will be lost because law abiding citizens can no longer have the right or ability to defend themselves, as well as the government will have more power and face much less resistance if they seek to harm their citizens.  Sadly, we are not too far away from this scenario.   

The government will use "National Security" as a rational means to increase their own power and circumvent our laws to empower themselves.  There is nothing new here, history repeats itself.  The only thing that is scary is the greater potential the government now has to gain access to information of its citizens, which it never before had. 

The Americans people also elected a fascist/socialist, Islamic tyrant as their leader.  Our government is so divided. I am sorry, but I no longer have any faith and trust in the American government and its leader.  I'd rather risk a few terrorist attacks then to give a tyrant like Obama Hussein more power and more amnesty for breaking laws of our Constitution.

What is happening is exactly what our Founding Fathers warned us about.  I am telling you that many of these Islamists are so petty in comparison to what a corrupt, totalitarian dictatorship run by an autocrat or a group of dictators.  Obama Hussein, Holder, Feinstein and the other tyrants feel they have more power than what is granted to them by the Constitution.  They have worked very hard to do what they can to strip Americans of their rights and increase their authoritative boundaries.


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Re: Ed Snowden : Hero or Traitor
« Reply #29 on: June 13, 2013, 05:29:49 PM »
I feel that the guy is a hero.  At least he had the nerve to tell what is going on in the Obama white house.

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Re: Ed Snowden : Hero or Traitor
« Reply #30 on: June 13, 2013, 05:59:11 PM »
It is true that the so-called journalist who reported this story to the guardian is a died-in-the-wool commie leftist America hater, who also happens to be a deeply twisted Jew hater....



http://pjmedia.com/blog/glenn-greenwald-and-the-anti-american-conspiratorial-tradition/?singlepage=true

Glenn Greenwald is a former blogger at Salon.com and currently a columnist on civil liberties and U.S. national security issues for the Guardian. His political orientation embraces a brand of “anti-imperialism” — common within the UK far-left — informed by a palpable loathing of America, a nation characterized as a dangerous force in the world. Greenwald’s anti-Americanism is so intense that he once compared the U.S. overthrow of Saddam Hussein in Iraq to the Nazi conquest of Europe.

As is the case with many Guardian-brand commentators, Greenwald’s anti-imperialist ideological package includes a strong hostility to Israel, and a corresponding belief in the injurious influence of organized U.S. Jewry on American foreign policy in the Middle East. Indeed, Greenwald has not infrequently advanced explicitly antisemitic narratives, darkly warning of the Israel lobby’s total “stranglehold” on American policy which, he’s argued, represents a control over political debate in the U.S. so complete that it’s even eroded free speech protections afforded by the U.S. Constitution. Greenwald claims that the “real goal” of the Israel lobby is to ensure “suffocating control” on U.S. foreign policy, so that Americans aren’t even allowed to debate their country’s “indescribably self-destructive, blind support for Israeli action.”


Greenwald also often imputes the darkest, most ignoble motives to his political opponents, once, for instance, accusing conservative Jewish columnist Charles Krauthammer of possessing a “psychopathic indifference to the slaughter of innocent people in pursuit of shadowy, unstated political goals.”

Understanding Greenwald’s imputations of bad faith and conspiratorial (often bigoted) narratives is vital in contextualizing the story which he broke at the Guardian last week about the NSA collection of phone records of Verizon users, and allegations that big tech companies granted the government access to private user information via an operation called PRISM. While significant allegations included in Greenwald’s “scoop” — such as the claim that the NSA had attained “direct access” to company servers, and the casual suggestion that the NSA has been acting illegally — don’t seem to hold up to critical scrutiny, he has also engaged in characteristically risible hyperbole in attempting to frame the issues. During a recent CNN interview, he argued thusly:

There is a massive apparatus within the United States government that with complete secrecy has been building this enormous structure that has only one goal. … And that is to destroy privacy and anonymity not just in the United States but around the world.

Issues raised by the Guardian story, such as how best to balance U.S. national security while protecting the privacy of American citizens, are, of course, open to debate. However, Greenwald — who has championed the cause of Bradley Manning, labeling him a “hero” who “deserves a medal and our collective gratitude” — is not someone the media should be taking seriously to initiate such an important national discussion.

As the always lucid Walter Russell Mead has argued, it’s important to maintain our sobriety, and understand that while there are no perfect solutions to the vexing national security problems of our day, the “airing of the issues within America’s open and deliberative democratic process” should ensure a result which protects Americans from the dangerous threat of global jihad while also defending against “unreasonable searches and seizures.”

While Americans can, of course, reasonably be concerned with the level of government snooping on the internet and social media, the Guardian columnist’s hysterical suggestion that the U.S. is malevolently conspiring to “destroy privacy and anonymity” is informed by the same conspiratorial sensibilities which inspire his frequent scare rhetoric warning of a furtive attempt by organized American Jewry to stifle debate and hijack U.S. policy.

Anti-Americans and antisemites share a similar tendency to find convenient, simplistic “root causes”; tend to subscribe to deeply skewed ideas about how the world works”; and, by failing to rationally interpret complex political events, lack the cognitive tools necessary to reflectively diagnose often maddeningly complicated political phenomena.

Whatever subsequent revelations may emerge about surveillance techniques employed by U.S. security agencies, those warning that the NSA data-collection program represents the existence of a master plan to subvert freedom around the world are drawing from a conspiratorial tradition within American politics which is as politically toxic as it is intellectually unserious.
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Re: Ed Snowden : Hero or Traitor
« Reply #31 on: June 14, 2013, 07:02:39 AM »
It is true that the so-called journalist who reported this story to the guardian is a died-in-the-wool commie leftist America hater, who also happens to be a deeply twisted Jew hater....

Certain things should transcend whether you have a left-wing or right-wing ideology. Right wingers can't agree to allow government surveillance when Bush is in office but not when Obama is in office and left wingers can't agree to it when Obama is in office but not when Bush is in office. It doesn't work that way. Either you agree with it or you don't knowing full well that both parties are going to do it.
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Re: Ed Snowden : Hero or Traitor
« Reply #32 on: June 14, 2013, 07:09:14 AM »
Certain things should transcend whether you have a left-wing or right-wing ideology. Right wingers can't agree to allow government surveillance when Bush is in office but not when Obama is in office and left wingers can't agree to it when Obama is in office but not when Bush is in office. It doesn't work that way. Either you agree with it or you don't knowing full well that both parties are going to do it.

I agree with it. You have to catch terrorists. If it's used to catch every type of terrorist but muslim ones, its a waste, and you know its being used fraudulently.
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Re: Ed Snowden : Hero or Traitor
« Reply #33 on: June 14, 2013, 08:12:37 AM »
A total traitor.  I would give him the death sentence, if I could.  Why, you ask?  Because he simply made it easier for another 9-11 to happen.  He's made it harder to catch Jihadists before they kill. 

By the way, they're collecting metadata, not the contents of your calls. 

This is 2013, not 1776.  I'm betting that the Framers wouldn't have any problem with this. 

If there's another 9-11, how many will say, "You know, we didn't do all we could, did we?"

I think we should do all we can.  This includes supporting programs like this. 

Snowden should be caught and tried for treason.

Problem is, most of us do not believe the NSA is using these techniques to catch jihadists.   Because that would be "profiliing."   So they specificially AVOID using the spying to track dangerous Muslim terrorists and potential terrorists.   Which is why they did not stop the Marathon bombing.

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Re: Ed Snowden : Hero or Traitor
« Reply #34 on: June 14, 2013, 10:49:03 AM »
Not sure who he's loyal to but he is trash.
What about the commies hacking the US?
Why doesn't he report it to us?
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Re: Ed Snowden : Hero or Traitor
« Reply #35 on: June 14, 2013, 04:15:23 PM »
Not sure who he's loyal to but he is trash.
What about the commies hacking the US?
Why doesn't he report it to us?

Wise ack makes a point. He might be a bad guy that unwittingly did a good thing.
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