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muman613:

--- Quote from: Tag-MehirTzedek on July 05, 2013, 10:17:58 AM ---Israeli heart, these things are based on false teachings mainly from the Zohar and belief in reincarnation. We don't believe in bad souls vs good souls being born. Every person is born clean. If this somehow motivates couples to go to the mikvah, fine but true motivation should be serving G-D.
  About halitza it is mainly apologetics. It is not Halacha to not be attracted to her and in fact it is very wired not to. It would be like saying a homo has an advantage of being a better husband then a normal man to his wife. Also no real bann on polygamy, the rabbanut is a joke.

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Tag,

This is simply your opinion concerning the Zohar. The Zohar is considered a major source for a lot of Chassidus and I consider it an insult that you disrespect it such without even understanding it. You call it 'false teaching' which is completely false in itself. You have never studied it and know nothing other than the lies spread by the mitnagdim.

I can supply sources even other than from the Zohar, explicitly from the Talmud which devestate your argument. Indeed the Talmud in several places suggest that there are influences which can affect a soul toward good or evil. And the Zohar takes the Talmud and looks a level deeper in the Sod (Hidden meaning of the Torah).

Your malignment of the Zohar does nothing but expose your bias.

I believe Rabbi Mizrachi is correct, and so many other Rabbis who teach the deeper meaning of the Torah. You don't have to believe it, but certainly don't call something false if you have no idea what you are talking about.

muman613:
http://halakhah.com/shabbath/shabbath_156.html

Shabbat Page 156A


--- Quote ---It was recorded in R. Joshua b. Levi's notebook: He who [is born] on the first day of the week [Sunday] shall be a man without one [thing] in him — What does 'without one [thing] in him' mean? Shall we say, without one virtue?16  Surely R. Ashi said: I was born on the first day of the week! Hence it must surely mean, one vice. But Surely R. Ashi said: I and Dimi b. Kakuzta were born on the first day of the week: I am a king17  and he is the captain of thieves!18  — Rather it means either completely virtuous or completely wicked.19  [What is the reason? Because light and darkness were created on that day.]20  He who is born on the second day of the week will be bad-tempered — What is the reason? Because the waters were divided thereon.21  He who is born on the third day of the week will be wealthy and unchaste. What is the reason? Because herbs were created thereon.22  He who is born on the fourth day of the week will be wise and of a retentive memory.23  What is the reason? Because the luminaries were suspended [thereon] — He who is born on the fifth day of the week will practise benevolence. What is the reason? Because the fishes and birds were created thereon.24  He who is born on the eve of the Sabbath will be a seeker. R. Nahman b. Isaac commented: A seeker after good deeds.25  He who is born on the Sabbath will die on the Sabbath, because the great day of the Sabbath was desecrated on his account. Raba son of R. Shila observed: And he shall be called a great and holy man.26

R. Hanina said to then, [his disciples]: Go out and tell the son of Levi, Not the constellation of the day but that of the hour is the determining influence. He who is born under the constellation of the sun27  will be a distinguished28  man: he will eat and drink of his own and his secrets will lie uncovered; if a thief, he will have no success. He who is born under Venus will be wealthy and unchaste [immoral]. What is the reason? Because fire was created therein.29  He who is born under Mercury will be of a retentive memory and wise. What is the reason? Because it [Mercury] is the sun's scribe. He who is born under the Moon will be a man to suffer evil, building and demolishing, demolishing and building. eating and drinking that which is not his and his secrets will remain hidden: if a thief, he will be successful.30  He who is born under Saturn will be a man whose plans will be frustrated.31  Others say: All [nefarious] designs against him will be frustrated. He who is born under Zedek [Jupiter] will be a right-doing man [zadkan] R. Nahman b. Isaac observed: Right-doing in good deeds.32  He who is born under Mars will be a shedder of blood. R. Ashi observed: Either a surgeon, a thief, a slaughterer, or a circumciser. Rabbah said: I was born under Mars.33  Abaye retorted: You too inflict punishment and kill.34
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muman613:
http://halakhah.com/niddah/niddah_16.html


--- Quote ---Niddah 16b

R. Johanan stated: It is forbidden to perform one's marital duty in the day-time.25  What is the Scriptural proof? That it is said, Let the day perish wherein I was born, and the night wherein it was said: 'A man-child is brought forth'.26  The night is thus set aside27  for conception but the day is not set aside for conception. Resh Lakish stated: [The proof is] from here: But he that despiseth His ways28  shall die.29  As to Resh Lakish, how does he expound R. Johanan's text?26  — He requires it for the same exposition as that made by R. Hanina b. Papa. For R. Hanina b. Papa made the following exposition: The name of the angel who is in charge of conception is 'Night', and he takes up a drop and places it in the presence of the Holy One, blessed be He, saying, 'Sovereign of the universe, what shall be the fate of this drop? Shall it produce a strong man or a weak man, a wise man or a fool, a rich man or a poor man?' Whereas 'wicked man' or 'righteous one' he does not mention, in agreement with the view of R. Hanina. For R. Hanina stated: Everything is in the hands of heaven except the fear of God, as it is said, And now, Israel, what doth the Lord thy God require of thee, but to fear etc.30  And R. Johanan?31  — If that were the only meaning,32  Scripture should have written,33  'A man-child is brought forth'34  why then was it stated, 'was brought forth a man-child'?35  To indicate that the night36  is set aside for conception36  but the day is not set aside for conception. As to R. Johanan how does he expound the text of Resh Lakish?29  — He requires it for [an application to the same types] as those described in the Book of Ben Sira:37  'There are three [types] that I hate, yea, four that I do not love: A Scholar38  who frequents wine-shops39  [or, as others say, a scholar that is a gossip],40  a person who sets up a college in the high parts of a town,41  one who holds the membrum when making water and one who enters his friend's house suddenly'.42  R. Johanan observed:43  Even his own house.

R. Simeon b. Yohai observed: There are four [types]44  which the Holy One, blessed be He, hates, and as for me, I do not love them: The man who enters his house suddenly and much more so [if he so enters] his friend's house, the man who holds the membrum when he makes water,

http://halakhah.com/niddah/niddah_17.html
Niddah 17a

the man who when naked makes water in front of his bed, and the man who has intercourse in the presence of any living creature. 'Even', said Rab Judah to Samuel, 'in the presence of mice?' 'Shinena',1  the other replied, 'no; but [the reference is to] a house like that of So and so where they have intercourse in the presence of their men-servants and maidservants.2  But what was the exposition they made? — Abide ye here with3  the ass,4  implies: peoples that are like an ass. Rabbah son of R. Huna used to chase away the wasps from his curtained bed.5  Abaye drove away the flies.6  Rabba7  chased away the mosquitoes.6

R. Simeon b. Yohai stated, There are five things which [cause the man] who does them to forfeit his life and his blood is upon his own head: Eating8  peeled garlic, a peeled onion or a peeled egg, or drinking diluted liquids that9  were kept over night; spending a night in a graveyard; removing one's nails and throwing them away in a public thoroughfare; and blood-letting followed immediately by intercourse.

'Eating peeled garlic etc.' Even though they are deposited in a basket and tied up and sealed, an evil spirit rests upon them. This, however, has been said only where their roots or peel did not remain10  with them, but if their roots or peel remained with them there can be no objection.11

'And drinking diluted liquids that were kept over night'. Rab Judah citing Samuel explained: This applies only where they were kept over night in a metal vessel. R. Papa stated: Vessels made of alum crystals are the same in this respect as vessels made of metal. So also said R. Johanan: This applies only where they were kept in a metal vessel; and vessels made of alum crystals are the same in this respect as vessels made of metal.
        
'Spending a night in a graveyard', in order that a spirit of uncleanness may rest upon him.12  [This should not be done] since in consequence he might sometimes be exposed to danger.

'Removing one's nails and throwing them away in a public thoroughfare'. [This is dangerous] because a pregnant woman passing over them would miscarry. This, however, has been said only of a case where one removes them with a pair of scissors. Furthermore, this has been said only of a case where one removes the nails of both hands and feet. Furthermore, this has been said only in the case where one did not cut anything immediately after cutting them but if something was cut immediately after they were cut there can be no danger.13  This, however, is not [to be relied upon]. One should be on his guard in all the cases mentioned.14

Our Rabbis taught: Three things have been said about the disposal of nails: He who burns them is a pious man, he who buries them is a righteous man, and he who throws them away is a wicked man.15

'And blood-letting followed immediately by intercourse'. [This should be avoided] because a Master said: If a man has intercourse immediately after being bled, he will have feeble16  children; and if intercourse took place after both husband and wife have been bled, they will have children afflicted with ra'athan.17  Rab18  stated: This has been said only in the case where nothing was tasted after the bleeding but if something was tasted after it there can be no harm.19

R. Hisda ruled: A man is forbidden to perform his marital duty in the day-time, for it is said, But thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.20  But what is the proof? — Abaye replied: He might observe something repulsive in her and she would thereby become loathsome to him.

R. Huna said, Israel are holy and do not perform their marital duties in the day-time. Raba said, But in21  a dark house this is permitted; and a scholar22  may darken a room with his cloak and perform his marital duty. [But] we have learnt, OR SHE MUST PERFORM IT IN THE LIGHT OF A LAMP? — Read: SHE MUST examine IT IN THE LIGHT OF A LAMP.

Come and hear: Although [the Sages] have said, He who has intercourse in the light of a lamp is loathsome [etc.]?23  — Read: He who examines his bed24  in the light of a lamp is loathsome.25

Come and hear: And the people of the house of Monobaz26  did three things, and on account of these they were honourably mentioned: They performed their marital duties in the day-time, they examined their beds with cotton,27  and they observed the rules of uncleanness and cleanness in the case of snow. At all events, was it not here stated, 'They performed their marital duties in the day-time'? Read: They examined their beds in the day-time. This may also be supported by logical argument. For if one were to imagine [that the reading is] 'performed their marital duties', would they have been 'honourably mentioned'? — Yes, indeed;28  because owing to the prevalence29  of sleep30  she is likely to become repulsive to him.
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Tag-MehirTzedek:

--- Quote from: muman613 on July 05, 2013, 12:48:56 PM ---Tag,

This is simply your opinion concerning the Zohar. The Zohar is considered a major source for a lot of Chassidus and I consider it an insult that you disrespect it such without even understanding it. You call it 'false teaching' which is completely false in itself. You have never studied it and know nothing other than the lies spread by the mitnagdim.

I can supply sources even other than from the Zohar, explicitly from the Talmud which devestate your argument. Indeed the Talmud in several places suggest that there are influences which can affect a soul toward good or evil. And the Zohar takes the Talmud and looks a level deeper in the Sod (Hidden meaning of the Torah).

Your malignment of the Zohar does nothing but expose your bias.

I believe Rabbi Mizrachi is correct, and so many other Rabbis who teach the deeper meaning of the Torah. You don't have to believe it, but certainly don't call something false if you have no idea what you are talking about.

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  And you know that I havn't studied or believed these things at once based on what? You know me?

 The Talmudh actually says that a person should die the way he was born (free of sin). Those who say people are born with evil or other such things actually reminds me more of xtianity which believes that a person is born with "sin" and thus destined to hell (unless they accepted yoshka of course).
 The "gilgulists" are promoting non-sense about the way people are born and die etc. Its an easy way of explaining the world for example a child born with a handicap, of-course he is just a "reincarned" soul that has to make some sort of correction. How convenient of them to explain away all these serious issues.

muman613:

--- Quote from: Tag-MehirTzedek on July 05, 2013, 02:09:38 PM ---  And you know that I havn't studied or believed these things at once based on what? You know me?

 The Talmudh actually says that a person should die the way he was born (free of sin). Those who say people are born with evil or other such things actually reminds me more of xtianity which believes that a person is born with "sin" and thus destined to hell (unless they accepted yoshka of course).
 The "gilgulists" are promoting non-sense about the way people are born and die etc. Its an easy way of explaining the world for example a child born with a handicap, of-course he is just a "reincarned" soul that has to make some sort of correction. How convenient of them to explain away all these serious issues.

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Then it seems to me that you did not learn the lessons which are taught about the Talmud. The Talmud is not telling us anything like Christianity. It is telling us that we are placed in a physical world with various pre-dispositions towards things and despite this we are able to overcome them. We are not helpless pawns in this game, yet we are not all created with the same character traits or ratzon/wills. We have differences which are as plain to see as the noses on our faces. Some are ugly and some are attractive, some are smart and others not so smart. There certainly are reasons we are given the challenges we have. We are all expected to overcome these pre-dispositions and this is why the Torah is so important to help rectify the world.

I don't know why you have such a reaction to basic kabbalistic ideas which are the source of the deep meaning of Torah. I am not judging you but in my experience with you it seems you reject a good amount of the Talmud which clearly discusses these topics.

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