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Peace Talks aren't worth scrap
« on: July 25, 2013, 03:45:11 AM »
Nobel peace prize winning 'game theory' expert believes that the current 'peace plan' is worthless and a waste of time. He says this based on the knowledge that our so-called peace partner has shown no desire to have peace with the Jewish nation.



http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/170257#.UfDWsBeJCqI

‘Peace Talks? The Mideast is Going Up in Flames’

Nobel Prize-winning professor baffled by peace talks. “It’s obvious that a signed agreement would be meaningless.”
Maayana Miskin

Nobel Prize winner Professor Yisrael Aumann is baffled by the decision to return to negotiations with the Palestinian Authority. It is obvious that peace talks with PA Chairman Abbas are meaningless, he told Arutz Sheva.

“This whole matter of diplomatic negotiations is absurd. The whole Middle East is going up in flames, there’s chaos in Syria, Egypt, and Iraq – and the Americans are only worried about us,” he said.

“It’s clear as day that any agreement signed with [Abbas] isn’t worth the paper it’s written on,” he argued. “Abbas cannot sign anything real. After all, as soon as we expelled the Jews from Gush Katif, Fatah was pushed out of Gaza, so his signature means nothing.”

Abbas’ PA currently has effective control only in Judea and Samaria, while Hamas controls Gaza. In addition, Abbas’ term in office expired in 2009.

Aumann expressed doubt that Israel and the PA would even reach the point of a signed agreement. “They are not willing anymore to make do with Ariel, Gush Etzion and Amona,” he warned. “They want Jerusalem, Tel Aviv and Haifa, and there is no way that will happen, because Netanyahu will not give them Tel Aviv.”

History has proven this to be true, he added. “In 2000, Barak wanted to give them everything, including Jerusalem and the ‘right of return.’ They did not want to sign, because they are not interested.”

Israel’s unilateral withdrawal from Gaza and northern Samaria only made things worse, he said. “When you demonstrate weakness, that invites further attacks,” he warned.

He compared it to encountering a black bear. “If you see a bear, the worst thing you can do is run. That’s the worst, because the bear will chase you and catch you… You also must not approach him, and definitely do not turn your back… You need to stop and look at him, that’s what I always do, and after a few minutes he leaves.”

“It’s the same way with people… Whenever Israel defeated its enemies – after the Six Day war, the Entebbe operation, the strike on the [Iraqi] reactor – everywhere on earth people told us, ‘Good for you.’ When we expelled Israelis in the Disengagement nobody told us ‘good for you,’” he concluded.

Professor Aumann won the prestigious Nobel Prize for his research in game theory. Among his notable research are findings regarding war and conflict, including the theory that overly simplistic attempts at peace can cause war, while credible threats of violence can prevent it. He has compared the Israel-Arab conflict to the "blackmailer's paradox" in game theory.
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Re: Peace Talks aren't worth scrap
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2013, 04:06:08 AM »
He speaks the truth.  And, quite frankly, and no offense intended, but any moron could see how ridiculous "Peace" talks are at this point.  And Bibi has turned against his own people in a very big and ugly way. 

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Re: Peace Talks aren't worth scrap
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2013, 05:02:45 AM »
It doesn't matter the year- back then and today, this video still explains the situation. You still have Israeli officials trying to appease and work out some treaty. And then you have the religious side saying that the arabs will never agree and the world has no say in the destiny of Israel.

As soon as the world realizes that all their attacks, divestment, bans, boycotts, flotillas etc are not relevant, the better for them to come to terms that they have no real power. This is the greatest test of our Emuna. The biggest test in our confidence in Hashem. Things look bad because most Jews have no emuna, most want to live like gentiles and assimilate to the point that their ears are closed. All they see is a wave of nations pounding on Israel. It is their own self-hatred that has shamed them into wanting to appease the nations...ignoring that Hashem have a promise to Israel and that the reality is not what it seems.

The reality is not a million nations pounding against Israel. The reality is Israel being without Emuna and Hashem using the nations to open our ears. The US and the EU have no power in this regard, they are subservient on the will of Hashem.



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Re: Peace Talks aren't worth scrap
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2013, 05:29:08 AM »
Nobel Prize winner Yisrael Aumann's explanation according to "The Blackmailer's Paradox" as to why Israeli governemt's approach is all horribly wrong according to mathematical Game Theory

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/9585#.UfDrE8tBTn5


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Re: Peace Talks aren't worth scrap
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2013, 08:22:33 AM »
Any peace will be short lived.  There will never be peace until Satan is destroyed, this is posturing by Israel's enemies.

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Re: Peace Talks aren't worth scrap
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2013, 08:38:17 AM »
Comment of the year by Frimet Roth.
It is an open secret that many Western liberals see terrorists who have Israeli blood on their hands as something less than “real” murderers.

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Will-more-freed-murderers-bring-peace-320820
Will more freed murderers bring peace?
By FRIMET ROTH
07/23/2013
 
It is an open secret that many Western liberals see terrorists who have Israeli blood on their hands as something less than “real” murderers.
Twelve years ago, the Jewish nation was rocked by a terror bombing that now symbolizes the second intifada more than any other attack.

Photographs of the charred shell of Jerusalem’s Sbarro restaurant accompany countless articles about terrorism, even if their text makes no mention of that specific horror.

The Sbarro massacre was significant for several reasons.

Its 15 victims included seven adults and eight children. Among them was a decimated family: a mother, a father and three of their eight children.

Another victim, a woman pregnant with her first child, was herself an only child. One of the wounded, who should be counted among the dead, has lain comatose ever since, leaving her toddler motherless.

And one victim was our daughter.

In their last moments on earth, the 15 victims were enjoying a light lunch on a hot, summer’s afternoon in the bustling center of Israel’s capital.

Ahlam Tamimi, the main perpetrator of this Hamas massacre, bore an incongruous profile: a young and attractive woman, a student of journalism at a Palestinian university and a newsreader for a Palestinian TV station.

This was a particularly cruel, gruesome and shocking act. Its iconic status is not surprising. Sbarro acquired fresh notoriety in 2011 when Tamimi, who had confessed to all charges and was convicted and sentenced to 16 life terms, walked free. Israel’s prime minister released her under pressure from Hamas to win the return of kidnapped Israeli soldier Gilad Schalit. She was repatriated to her family in Jordan where she has lived since. Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu inexplicably calls this gift an “exile.”

Subsequently Netanyahu succumbed to additional pressure from this murderer herself and from her fiancé – another murderer released in the Schalit deal.

The fiancé had been confined to the West Bank under the written terms of his release, that had been affirmed by Netanyahu. While they are in the West Bank, released prisoners can be watched and re-arrested for any new terrorist activities. To date, tens of Palestinians freed in the Schalit deal have ended up back behind Israeli bars via this route. Netanyahu waived this condition for the fiancé.

With no quid pro quo, indeed, for no apparent reason, our prime minister allowed the terrorist to move to Jordan where shortly afterward the two killers were married in a high-profile, Hamas-sponsored extravaganza. Nearly two years after the Schalit deal, we are still desperately seeking justice.

To watch and hear our child’s murderer on the Internet addressing adoring crowds throughout the Arab world; hosting a TV show; boasting of the massacre she planned and executed; smiling about the number of children she killed; and promising that, if she could, she would repeat it – this is an indescribable torture.

Elsewhere, parents of murdered children who pursue justice garner sympathy. One such American couple was described by a journalist as “compassionate” because they sought life imprisonment for the murderer rather than the death penalty.

My husband and I are also determined to see Tamimi back behind bars. But nobody calls us compassionate.

Vengeful is the adjective we hear more often.

Fellow Israelis from both the Right and the Left have either ignored or criticized our efforts. The word “justice” rarely features in their arguments.

It is an open secret that many Western liberals see terrorists who have Israeli blood on their hands as something less than “real” murderers. Why, as appears to be the case, have Israelis adopted that view? When did they begin to distinguish between murderers who do not shout “Allahu akbar” and those who do? The fact that Israelis look askance at us can be directly related to our leader’s example. When Netanyahu freed hundreds of Palestinian murderers in 2011 while declining to ever meet with the victim families, he set the tone for the country.

Our government is now poised for a Schalit Deal Redux – minus the return of an Israeli captive. Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, with American support, is demanding the release of a further 120 Palestinian prisoners before resuming negotiations with Israel.

The new list includes many terrorists with the blood of innocents on their hands, but you will not hear that from our leaders. As Yuval Steinitz, the minister for strategic affairs and a close ally of Netanyahu’s, conceded last week: “...there will be heavyweight prisoners who have been in jail for tens of years.”

As we all know, in Israel one does not get such a lengthy sentence for illegal parking or even the odd armed robbery. “Heavyweight” is the new euphemism employed to sterilize this abhorrent move.

We can safely dismiss any presumption that our prime minister agonized over or deeply pondered this fraught decision: According to The New York Times it was “... negotiated in a series of hurried telephone calls with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel on Friday evening as Mr. Kerry was eager to get home but determined not to leave empty-handed after six visits in four months.”

Netanyahu had already plunged so far down the slippery slope of compliance that neither Abbas nor Kerry had a tough adversary on their hands. “Putty” is the more apt term. The only objections to this impending concession have been from the families of the victims. The wider public seems to have been neutralized by Netanyahu’s attitude.

In a recent New York Times column about the Supreme Court rulings on gay marriage, Frank Bruni wrote that decisions made “at the highest levels of our government... set a tone... send a signal. They alter the climate of what’s considered just and what’s not, of what’s permissible and what’s intolerable, and that change ripples into every last corner of American life, shaping people’s very destinies.”

While Netanyahu doesn’t approach the league of US Supreme Court judges, his willingness to release cold-blooded murderers has sent “ripples into every last corner of Israeli life.”

If enough Israelis wake up to the dangers of such a devil-may-care approach toward murder and justice, there may be hope for our society. If they warn Netanyahu that another Schalit-style release will come with a stiff political price attached, he may reconsider. He is, after all, just a politician.

Let’s remind him that murderers serving one or multiple life sentences cannot be freed. Ever. Killers are not pawns in the hands of politicians trampling our judiciary.

Righting this injustice will not bring our precious child back. It will not even mitigate our grief in the slightest – our critics have been eager to point this out. But the travesty of justice deepens our pain beyond endurance.

The writer is a freelance writer in Jerusalem. Her daughter Malki was murdered at the age of 15 in the 2001 Sbarro restaurant bombing. With her husband, Arnold, she founded the Malki Foundation (www.kerenmalki.org); it provides concrete support for Israeli families of all faiths who care at home for a special-needs child.

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Re: Peace Talks aren't worth scrap
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2013, 09:19:18 AM »
http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/arabs-wound-child-in-rock-attacks-on-old-city-buses/2013/07/25/?src=ataglance
Arabs Wound Child in Rock Attacks on Old City Buses
July 25th, 2013

Arabs hurled rocks at Israel buses in the Old City of Jerusalem twice in several hours Thursday and injured 10 people, one day after one or two possible terrorist attacks that sent two men to the hospital with serious wounds from separate stabbing attacks.

The second rock attack on a bus at the Shechem Gate, also known as the Damascus Gate, sent a 14-year-old boy to the hospital with serious wounds. A previous barrage of rocks on three Egged buses took place nearby and caused injuries to several people.

Police have not stated if Wednesday’s knife attacks were carried out by terrorists. One of the victims told a medic that his attacker was an Arab who attacked out of nationalist motives.

The police spokesman was not available for comment Thursday.

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Re: Peace Talks aren't worth scrap
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2013, 09:30:48 AM »
http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/plo-leader-oslo-accords-as-palestinian-recognition-of-israel/2013/07/25/
PLO Leader: Oslo Accords Not Palestinian Recognition of Israel
JNS News Service
July 25th, 2013
 
PLO senior official Mohammad Zazeh, speaking at the international Palestinian solidarity conference “Palestine: Manifestation of Muslim Ummah’s Unity” held in Karachi, Pakistan, this week said that Israel is an illegitimate state that must cease to exist.

Zazeh, who is described as one of the leaders of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), the international Palestinian group headed by Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, said the PLO has never recognized Israel as a legitimate state, and that the 1993 Oslo Accords should not be misunderstood to have constituted Palestinian recognition of Israel.

“Israel is an illegitimate state. Palestine belongs to Palestinians. An independent state of Palestine is what the Palestinians will get recognized,” Zazeh said, according to Pakistan’s largest financial daily, the Business Recorder.

Zazeh added, “Palestine and al Quds belong to all Arabs and Muslims. This is sacred land.”

The U.S.-mediated preliminary peace talks between the Israelis and Palestinians are set to begin soon in Washington, DC.