Jerusalem Gay Pride Parade -- Why I Won't Make Aliyah

[Every Jew AK47]

I took it from my FB page.. Sorry for those who are offended, by what I wrote.. I am sure I will get some flak and insults for saying this..  I apologize, but I am utterly disgusted by these filth fests in G-d's Holy City and know that these must stop in Yerushalayim immediately or the Jewish people will feel the wrath of Hashem, as we have sadly felt in the past!  Now, that Yerushalayim is in our hands, we have no excuse and no one to blame but ourselves for letting it go on!! 


http://www.upi.com/News_Photos/Features/Gay-Pride-Parade-in-Jerusalem/7824/?spt=rcc&or=gl

When people ask why I would not make Aliyah to Israel, my homeland, it is hard for me to answer. However, the truth of the situation is it is evil events like this which prevent me from making Aliyah. What greater abomination is there to Hashem, Elokeynu, than to allow perverted people to perform homosexual acts and have homosexual parades on the Holiest City of Hashem, Yerushalayim (Jerusalem). Even the Muslims haven't committed a crime as this. I keep thinking of how Hashem brought great wrath and destruction when they fell into lusts, idolatry and sodomy/homosexuality in olden days and I cannot help seeing a resemblance to what is happening today. I feel Israel has fallen unto sin and is being brainwashed and controlled by Western Society. Little Israel is bullied by all its enemies, and the Europeans and Islamists both want to see the JEws destroyed. Somehow, Israel feels embracing Western Culture and engaging in these vile and lewd acts will gain them acceptance by the world. Quite the contrary! A bold, righteous and honorable nation serving Hashem and being vigilant and strict to his Torah and mitzvot is the only way Israel will become a powerful nation and one that will be honored throughout the world.

It breaks my heart, but something inside me cannot allow myself to see Hashem's land corrupted. I know when Moshiach comes all these dirty homosexuals will either make teshuva or be destroyed. Until then, it breaks my heart to see them polluting Hashem's Holy City and His Holy Land. I can tolerate seeing homosexuals perform their perverted and lewd acts in San Francisco, Seattle, New York, London, Rome, but in Yerushalayim (Jerusalem), NEVER!!!!

These sodomites who parade around Yerushalayim, trying to make a mockery of Hashem's Holy Place will be turned into rotting corpses and nobody will honor their memory and have to weep over their vile acts anymore!

I would love to come back home, but I ask myself, where is my home? Oh, Yerushalayim, where have you gone? To the jackals, to the vultures. A wasteland. Perhaps, I will never make Aliyah until Moshiach comes. That isn't to say those who are there taking a stand against this iniquity are not to be honored when Hashem restores his Kingdom. Who knows, maybe I will move to Israel one day, but it will not be to enjoy a life of peace, but endure a life of struggle. Sadly, it would be a spiritual struggle against those who claim to be my Jewish brothers/sisters, but are instead imposters who make war with Hashem.

In addition, to homosexuality, pagnism, lust, greed and all the other wordly evils of the Western world, Israel also has a growing Muslim population that would like to see every synagogue burned and replaced with a Mosque.

Artzeinu (Our Land) Israel is in Trouble!!!


So, I close this post with these final words:
IM ESHKACHECH, YERUSHALAYIM!!! If I ever Forget Thee Jerusalem!

Let us not forget her! Those who defile her will feel the wrath of Hashem!

[ChabadKahanist]

Wow a queer with a kipa & long beard.
I think I want to brech.
 

[muman613]

I must say EveryJewA22 I feel for you and I know where you are coming from. It disgusts me that this is what Jerusalem has become, during our supposed sovereignty over this Holy place. I don't know if it would dissuade me from making Aliyah as I am sure there are some places which have not been stained by this disgusting parade and it's participants. I live near one of the most gay areas in this country and yet I manage to stay away from them.

[Zelhar]

Youd won't make aliyah because you don't want to, and you are comfortable in the exile and looking for excuses.

[Every Jew AK47]

Youd won't make aliyah because you don't want to, and you are comfortable in the exile and looking for excuses.

I'm not comfortable in exile..  ANd, no , I am not looking for excuses, I found one already, look at the pics above.

Nor, did I say I would not ever make Aliyah, but to see such filth proudly promulgating itself in the heart of Hashem's Holy City makes my stomach sick and makes me wonder where I am making Aliyah too?   In order to make Aliyah, I already have to give up my guns and lose several other freedoms, pay much higher taxes for my business, be forced to live next to 1,000,000 Muslims who have more religious and social freedom than I do and on top of all that now I got to live around a bunch of f*gs dancing around almost naked making out with each other right in front of the home of our Holy King.   If the pigs want to vomit on their own cities, I can sit by and watch.  When they vomit on Hashem's Holy City, it eats away at me and damages my nefesh.

Sorry Zelhar, I know you have to criticize me.. I don't even blame you.. But, I do know your wrong..  I am a total outcast here in Galut, but I feel I may even be a greater outcast in my homeland, as the traitors, fools and heathens take control of Hashem's Holiest City with their Filth & Sodomy Parade.

I wonder if anyone remembers last time what happens when homosexuals started parading around and having gay sex in the Holiest Place on Earth?  What happen to us?

[Zelhar]

I'm not comfortable in exile..  ANd, no , I am not looking for excuses, I found one already, look at the pics above.

Nor, did I say I would not ever make Aliyah, but to see such filth proudly promulgating itself in the heart of Hashem's Holy City makes my stomach sick and makes me wonder where I am making Aliyah too?   In order to make Aliyah, I already have to give up my guns and lose several other freedoms, pay much higher taxes for my business, be forced to live next to 1,000,000 Muslims who have more religious and social freedom than I do and on top of all that now I got to live around a bunch of f*gs dancing around almost naked making out with each other right in front of the home of our Holy King.   If the pigs want to vomit on their own cities, I can sit by and watch.  When they vomit on Hashem's Holy City, it eats away at me and damages my nefesh.

Sorry Zelhar, I know you have to criticize me.. I don't even blame you.. But, I do know your wrong..  I am a total outcast here in Galut, but I feel I may even be a greater outcast in my homeland, as the traitors, fools and heathens take control of Hashem's Holiest City with their Filth & Sodomy Parade.

I wonder if anyone remembers last time what happens when homosexuals started parading around and having gay sex in the Holiest Place on Earth?  What happen to us?

It looks like you have plenty of reasons that directly affect you to stay in the galut that have a far greater effect then a bunch of homos parading in the streets of Jerusalem. Lets say you could make aliyah and not lose your guns, and pay lower taxes, would you still say that the gay parade is the one thing that stops you from taking that step ?

I am not judging your choice of where or how you want to live. I am just saying some gay parade is not and shouldn't be an excuse to prevent you from doing anything.

BTW this parade is not welcome by the great majority of the residents of Jerusalem. It is basically a provocation by extreme leftists of anti-Jewish anti-morality coalition. Tel Aviv is probably as pro gay as most other big cities in the west but Jerusalem is not. Jerusalem is a religious city and from what I have been told by religious friend is the best place for a religious Jew to live in.

[Every Jew AK47]

It looks like you have plenty of reasons that directly affect you to stay in the galut that have a far greater effect then a bunch of homos parading in the streets of Jerusalem. Lets say you could make aliyah and not lose your guns, and pay lower taxes, would you still say that the gay parade is the one thing that stops you from taking that step ?

I am not judging your choice of where or how you want to live. I am just saying some gay parade is not and shouldn't be an excuse to prevent you from doing anything.

BTW this parade is not welcome by the great majority of the residents of Jerusalem. It is basically a provocation by extreme leftists of anti-Jewish anti-morality coalition. Tel Aviv is probably as pro gay as most other big cities in the west but Jerusalem is not. Jerusalem is a religious city and from what I have been told by religious friend is the best place for a religious Jew to live in.

You forgot the 1,000,000 Muslim part...  Actually, the Muslim part is probably the worse, the homosexual second and then the loss of guns and higher taxes 3rd and fourth.

I am planning on taking a trip to Israel in a year or so when I can gather more funds.. Maybe, my heart will change after my first visit to my homeland.  However, to see the Sodomites parading around Jerusalem so boldly and proudly, defiling themselves in front of the Holy Places, makes me so very ill and definitely breaks my morale and makes me question if there is really a Jewish government ruling Israel or if it is a European/Islamic puppet government posing as Jews.

To top it all, as a Jew I am limited to the places I can pray, whereas the Muslims are free to pray in Our Holy City any where they wish.  I just have a very sick feeling in my stomach about the situation.

[The Noachide]

"I am planning on taking a trip to Israel in a year or so when I can gather more funds.. Maybe, my heart will change after my first visit to my homeland."

I did the same thing a few years ago. I have a mixed conclusion. My review is it is dangerous, high security in most places, snobby at most times dealt with authorities.
-the livelihood of an American citizen is much different than the livelihood of an Israeli.
-the Israelis in Tel aviv were more polite than the Israelis in Jerusalem.
-the muslims have a judgmental conscience of their own. They only care about themselves even when I spoke arabic and told them I'm American. 

I was much comfortable in Tel aviv by the beaches and Metal music.
But I had no idea Jerusalem was that dangerous until I experienced it. Overall, I want to go Israel again, but with a friend this time.
Be careful out there is my advice.

[Binyamin Yisrael]

Aren't there more guns per capita in Israel than the US? I remember in the 1990's, everyone had cell phones and guns. Most Israelis had cell phones before most Americans. Maybe it's because more Israelis are employed in security than regular jobs.

[White Israelite]

Aren't there more guns per capita in Israel than the US? I remember in the 1990's, everyone had cell phones and guns. Most Israelis had cell phones before most Americans. Maybe it's because more Israelis are employed in security than regular jobs.

The problem with the gun laws in Israel is that you only get a firearm on condition you are serving in the idf and the guns are property of the Israeli government, of course as a reservist you also get a gun, settlers get a gun if they lived on a approved settlement. To privately own a gun, you have to show reason such as being involved in security, etc. otherwise Israel's gun laws are very very strict, it's not like the US where there is a gun culture and you can go hunting or own a huge gun collection or military rifles, silencers, etc.

I wish Israel did allow this, but the laws are very very strict.

It's the same with land ownership in Israel, my grandpa had a farm in Wisconsin but in Israel, you can only get a lease and have to show a reason you want the land for agriculture. I believe most land is still owned by the Jewish national fund unless you have pre existing land ownership deeds such as Greeks who have churches throughout the coastline and Arabs.

Anyways, I don't think the op is fighting against Aliyah, I think what he's saying is that he doesn't agree with the political situation in Israel that a significant percentage of Israelis are not God fearing conservatives, since I've never been to Israel, I don't know the situation myself, I know the bibles clear on the jews eventually returning to Israel, but I don't think any righteous Jew wants to be in diaspora, I think the issue is that most of the conservative ones are scared of the change going from the United States having gun rights, the constitution, land ownership rights to the huge change of losing a lot of those rights due to many of the policies in place as of this time, of course I think at some point Israel will change this but not at this moment.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

The problem with the gun laws in Israel is that you only get a firearm on condition you are serving in the idf and the guns are property of the Israeli government, of course as a reservist you also get a gun, settlers get a gun if they lived on a approved settlement. To privately own a gun, you have to show reason such as being involved in security, etc. otherwise Israel's gun laws are very very strict, it's not like the US where there is a gun culture and you can go hunting or own a huge gun collection or military rifles, silencers, etc.

I wish Israel did allow this, but the laws are very very strict.

Unfortunately Jewish culture (in the mainstream sense) is very groveling, anti-gun, wimpy, and just generally pathetic. It's basically the culture you have when feminism runs the show. I think we'd see a restoration of Jewish pride and honor if we can somehow make feminazism unpopular.

[Binyamin Yisrael]

It's the same with land ownership in Israel, my grandpa had a farm in Wisconsin but in Israel, you can only get a lease and have to show a reason you want the land for agriculture. I believe most land is still owned by the Jewish national fund unless you have pre existing land ownership deeds such as Greeks who have churches throughout the coastline and Arabs.

The land should not be sold forever. At the Yovel year, it's supposed to return to the ancestral tribal inheritance (Book of Joshua). The Israel Lands Administration owns state lands that had no private ownership before 1948. The land is owned by the government but sold to private citizens like if it's a 40 year lease. The land itself is state owned but the property belongs to the private citizens. This is good that it prevents sale to Non-Jews since it is against Halacha to sell land in the Land of Israel to Non-Jews.

However, the Greek Orthodox Church actually owns important lands in Israel. The Knesset is build on land owned by the Church. In the US, the Catholic Church owns some land and I see it being taken over by the Catholic St. Joseph's University.

[White Israelite]

The land should not be sold forever. At the Yovel year, it's supposed to return to the ancestral tribal inheritance (Book of Joshua). The Israel Lands Administration owns state lands that had no private ownership before 1948. The land is owned by the government but sold to private citizens like if it's a 40 year lease. The land itself is state owned but the property belongs to the private citizens. This is good that it prevents sale to Non-Jews since it is against Halacha to sell land in the Land of Israel to Non-Jews.

However, the Greek Orthodox Church actually owns important lands in Israel. The Knesset is build on land owned by the Church. In the US, the Catholic Church owns some land and I see it being taken over by the Catholic St. Joseph's University.

In theory that sounds fine that land ownership would belong to the tribes and of course regulation of sale of land to non jews but the problem is that if you look at the foundation of today, that may not be the best idea in the way israel has their land distribution set up as its not the designation of land but rather the socialist aspect of land ownership by the government. The United States countered sale of ownership of land originally by stating that one had to be a property owner to vote for example and regulation was made who could buy land. The same could be applied in Israel and the issue on citizenship and be based on those who are Jewish, that would fix many of the issues.

Of course I understand the concern who would be buying up the land and what it is used for since Israel is a small country however you need to remember that many countries became communist over the land issue because they wanted it redistributed, I don't think a communist system for land distribution is a good idea.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

I once met a yeshiva bachur in Israel (he was learning in a big name haredi yeshiva) who preferred being back in America because in Israel they didn't have any Philadelphia cream cheese.    I'm not even kidding.

Similar to the concept of this thread's first post.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

The land should not be sold forever. At the Yovel year, it's supposed to return to the ancestral tribal inheritance (Book of Joshua). The Israel Lands Administration owns state lands that had no private ownership before 1948. The land is owned by the government but sold to private citizens like if it's a 40 year lease. The land itself is state owned but the property belongs to the private citizens. This is good that it prevents sale to Non-Jews since it is against Halacha to sell land in the Land of Israel to Non-Jews.

However, the Greek Orthodox Church actually owns important lands in Israel. The Knesset is build on land owned by the Church. In the US, the Catholic Church owns some land and I see it being taken over by the Catholic St. Joseph's University.

Except that Jews are forced to conduct business to Arab Muslims every single day in the Holy Land. Don't you think the way the land laws are enforced is a bit hypocritical?

[White Israelite]

This is how I see it, there's always going to be disagreement how Israel is run politically and we need to associate the idea that Israel as it exists is unlikely to be anything like it will be once biblical prophecy has been completed. You can't tell me that biblically israel will continue to have homosexual parades in Jerusalem, or that atheists will be the spotlight, or Palestinian sympathizers in the Knesset.

The fact is, we support Israel, but we support it for the reason that God says to bless Israel and you will be blessed, and that God mentions israel and Jerusalem in the bible, and that Israel is fighting against an enemy that wants them exterminated and they are struggling for survival.

What I don't support is what is becoming of Israel such as the change in culture, the Palestinian sympathizers, giving away land, the homosexual parades, and the nationalizing of land and weapons.

Obviously the best way to see this is that jews that came to Israel from different lands brought their ideas and cultures, their foods and what not with them, you can ask Lisa about this or anyone else that is Sephardic or mizrahi and has gone to school with the Ashkenazi, it's not that one group is worse than the other, it's simply the fact that American jews are going to be radically different than jews from Iraq or from Ukraine. I grew up in the United States around farms, in some cases in the city, with guns, with gardens, in rural areas.

For an American Jew going to Israel I still think they are the minority and so there are a lot of changes when American jews go to Israel, again I'm not discouraging Aliyah but you need to see from a perspective that I think a lot of American jews go to Israel with dreams that they are going to own a gun collection, a big house on the middle of the mountains with some horses and live this life like the final frontier in the United States, and then when they see the differences with the culture and society, then when they see the every day life of the secular jews, it's like being in San Francisco or something. Don't take that as a insult, it's just the mentality today and its unfortunately cursed the United States with this type of culture becoming dominant in the us too even in areas that were traditionally conservative.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

This is how I see it, there's always going to be disagreement how Israel is run politically and we need to associate the idea that Israel as it exists is unlikely to be anything like it will be once biblical prophecy has been completed. You can't tell me that biblically israel will continue to have homosexual parades in Jerusalem, or that atheists will be the spotlight, or Palestinian sympathizers in the Knesset.

The fact is, we support Israel, but we support it for the reason that God says to bless Israel and you will be blessed, and that God mentions israel and Jerusalem in the bible, and that Israel is fighting against an enemy that wants them exterminated and they are struggling for survival.

What I don't support is what is becoming of Israel such as the change in culture, the Palestinian sympathizers, giving away land, the homosexual parades, and the nationalizing of land and weapons.

Obviously the best way to see this is that jews that came to Israel from different lands brought their ideas and cultures, their foods and what not with them, you can ask Lisa about this or anyone else that is Sephardic or mizrahi and has gone to school with the Ashkenazi, it's not that one group is worse than the other, it's simply the fact that American jews are going to be radically different than jews from Iraq or from Ukraine. I grew up in the United States around farms, in some cases in the city, with guns, with gardens, in rural areas.

For an American Jew going to Israel I still think they are the minority and so there are a lot of changes when American jews go to Israel, again I'm not discouraging Aliyah but you need to see from a perspective that I think a lot of American jews go to Israel with dreams that they are going to own a gun collection, a big house on the middle of the mountains with some horses and live this life like the final frontier in the United States, and then when they see the differences with the culture and society, then when they see the every day life of the secular jews, it's like being in San Francisco or something. Don't take that as a insult, it's just the mentality today and its unfortunately cursed the United States with this type of culture becoming dominant in the us too even in areas that were traditionally conservative.

Good post.

[ChabadKahanist]

I once met a yeshiva bachur in Israel (he was learning in a big name haredi yeshiva) who preferred being back in America because in Israel they didn't have any Philadelphia cream cheese.    I'm not even kidding.

Similar to the concept of this thread's first post.

He must have been learning in a more modern yeshiva because no chareidei in Israel would touch Philadelphia cream cheese becasue it is not Cholov Yisroel.
If they found out he was eating non-CY he would be given a hard time.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

He must have been learning in a more modern yeshiva because no chareidei in Israel would touch Philadelphia cream cheese becasue it is not Cholov Yisroel.
If they found out he was eating non-CY he would be given a hard time.

lol I didn't even realize that.   That makes that exchange even more bizarre.   

[Jacob_Levi]

I have found only one upside to Homosexuals. They can't pro-create.

[angryChineseKahanist]

One of the side links:
Is this a pig farm:

[Every Jew AK47]

I think WhiteIsraelite and AngryChineseKahanist summed up the problem I and other American-raised Jews have.   The land-ownership model is nothing less then the worse form of communist bureaucracy.  I hate to go as far as calling modern Israel a Communist country, but it certainly is strongly socialist and has a model designed much closer to highly regulated northern European/Eastern European countries than to the USA or even Canada for that matter.  It's sad, but Jews in US/Canada, even Switzerland have much more freedom, can own their own land and have less government intrusion into their lives than in Israel.   On top of that, the average Jew living in US/Canada will not be surrounded by a large Muslim population, whereas in Israel you actually live among one of the largest Muslim populations outside of the Middle East in such a small area.  Not to mention, the Muslims in Israel have more freedom and rights than even Jews, so that the European/Islamic masters do not get angry at what I consider the Jewish Puppet government. 

Basically, the modern Israeli government does not represent what I consider a sovereign nation that gives freedom, liberty and power to the Jewish people, but rather it incarcerates and takes advantages of Jews with the basis of spiritual rewards.  The blood-sucking liberals and dictators in the Knesset have been sucking off of good, hard-working and noble Jewish people with the  "You Must Live in Israel or Else"

Gays and Muslims basically have more power and rights in Israel than devout Jews who are treated like horrible criminals.  These same gays and Muslims go around making a mockery of the holy places of Hashem by have filth parades where men in slutty clothing go and have sex and slobber over each other in the very places where our Prophets aND kINGS lived and prayed.  These are the very sacred places that Hashem commanded could not be defiled "OR ELSE", yet are defiled so proudly and boldly.  And, then we have the Islamists who so boldly promote the child raping prophet of Mecca and his barbaric g_d allah all over our Holy Land.  Now ,a Jew will be throne in prison if he attempts to pray at the Temple Mount.. OH wait,, oops.. I mean Dome of the Rock...  Oh yeah, if I become an Israeli citizen and pay Israeli tax dollars, my tax dollars get to pay for hte upkeep of that filthy Islamic dome of hell that is the worst eyesore of our Holy Kingdom.

Maybe, I will be hated and reviled, but I have no plans to make Aliyah, most liekly, until all the Muslims and Sodomites are kicked out of Israel.  Then, I will fight and petition that Jews retain their right to own guns for self-defense (we are citizens, not indentured subjects to the Knesset), that every Jewish person can own land, that Jews will not be taxed to death using a destructive European socialist/communist model of economics  Finally, as a Jew I can go, pray and worship and live in any part of Eretz Yisrael that I please.

[ChabadKahanist]

Stupid reason not to come here.
You come here you can help change things.

[TruthSpreader]

One of the side links:
Is this a pig farm:

Or it could be a snake pit.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Basically, the modern Israeli government does not represent what I consider a sovereign nation that gives freedom, liberty and power to the Jewish people, but rather it incarcerates and takes advantages of Jews with the basis of spiritual rewards.  The blood-sucking liberals and dictators in the Knesset have been sucking off of good, hard-working and noble Jewish people with the  "You Must Live in Israel or Else"

But what if it is GOD who said "You must live in Israel." ?   Why do you care so much about what the Israeli regime says?  If your motivation to live there is based on the messages sent out by Israeli PR, then you are very misguided.   We should be doing what God requires of us.

Gays and Muslims basically have more power and rights in Israel than devout Jews who are treated like horrible criminals.  These same gays and Muslims go around making a mockery of the holy places of Hashem by have filth parades where men in slutty clothing go and have sex and slobber over each other in the very places where our Prophets aND kINGS lived and prayed.  These are the very sacred places that Hashem commanded could not be defiled "OR ELSE", yet are defiled so proudly and boldly.  And, then we have the Islamists who so boldly promote the child raping prophet of Mecca and his barbaric g_d allah all over our Holy Land.  Now ,a Jew will be throne in prison if he attempts to pray at the Temple Mount.. OH wait,, oops.. I mean Dome of the Rock...  Oh yeah, if I become an Israeli citizen and pay Israeli tax dollars, my tax dollars get to pay for hte upkeep of that filthy Islamic dome of hell that is the worst eyesore of our Holy Kingdom.

Gays and muslims are there so that means good Jews shouldn't make aliyah, so let the gays and muslims demographically take over our country?   Gee, that's a wonderful policy!  Very thought-out and wise indeed.

Maybe, I will be hated and reviled,

By whom?

but I have no plans to make Aliyah, most liekly, until all the Muslims and Sodomites are kicked out of Israel. 

The 8 spies in Bamidbar spoke and acted very similarly.   They were not reflected upon kindly by the Torah.  In fact, one might argue they were treated by God as worse than gays. Or got an even worse punishment. 

Then, I will fight and petition that Jews retain their right to own guns for self-defense (we are citizens, not indentured subjects to the Knesset), that every Jewish person can own land, that Jews will not be taxed to death using a destructive European socialist/communist model of economics

So you can fight and petition for this only after all the Muslims have left?   That makes no sense whatsoever.  You are making excuses, plain and simple.