Author Topic: Don't go to Uman! (Read 7629 times)

muman613 · « **Reply #1 on:** August 28, 2013, 04:09:38 PM »

One day I will go... I have heard all those who say not to and I still want to go...

Tag-MehirTzedek · « **Reply #2 on:** August 28, 2013, 05:57:37 PM »

Quote from: muman613 on August 28, 2013, 04:09:38 PM

One day I will go... I have heard all those who say not to and I still want to go...

Its your Yetzer Hara. Besides the things said in this video a lot of other things weren't even said. Some go to literally escape life- they party and drink and other such things. If your traveling anyway why not have a much more meaningful time in Israel instead with many many graves of Tzaddikim available? With Rishonim and Tannaim being buried there? Why spend your time and $ in an anti-semitic country and anti-semetic people? Why not spend it in Israel AND do a Misswah every second being in Israel instead of in Ukraine?

Ephraim Ben Noach · « **Reply #3 on:** August 28, 2013, 11:05:24 PM »

I can't wait until the messiah comes, and punches everyone in the face...

Tag-MehirTzedek · « **Reply #4 on:** August 29, 2013, 08:30:12 PM »

Quote from: אפרים בן נח on August 28, 2013, 11:05:24 PM

I can't wait until the messiah comes, and punches everyone in the face...

If you think soo then perhaps you need to get ready and start punching yourself in the face. You know in order to get ready for the punch.

Ephraim Ben Noach · « **Reply #5 on:** August 29, 2013, 09:05:56 PM »

Quote from: Tag-MehirTzedek on August 29, 2013, 08:30:12 PM

If you think soo then perhaps you need to get ready and start punching yourself in the face. You know in order to get ready for the punch.

I have been punched in the face alot. I know I'm going to get punched. Do you?

Tag-MehirTzedek · « **Reply #6 on:** August 29, 2013, 11:51:07 PM »

Quote from: אפרים בן נח on August 29, 2013, 09:05:56 PM

I have been punched in the face alot. I know I'm going to get punched. Do you?

Dude

edu · « **Reply #7 on:** August 30, 2013, 01:07:54 AM »

Even the Na Nach Nachman branch of Breslav claims there is no need to leave the land of Israel to go to Uman.
I don't understand what אפרים בן נח is trying to tell us when he says:

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I can't wait until the messiah comes, and punches everyone in the face...

To get a better idea about the value of spending every second in the land of Israel,
I will refer open-minded Jews to the online book in English
Eim HaBanim Semeichah at http://www.tsel.org/torah/emhabanim-eng/contents.html#link

muman613 · « **Reply #8 on:** August 30, 2013, 01:18:09 AM »

Rosh Hashanah is not a pilgrimage festival. It can be celebrated wherever the Jew finds himself.

I do not think there is anything wrong with going to Uman for Rosh Hashanah any more than it is wrong to go to your local Shul for the holidays.

The only question is whether a person who is living in Israel can leave in order to go. Otherwise, those Jews living in the diaspora have no issue with going.

The Breslav of Chut Shel Chessed, Rabbi Arush and Rabbi Brody, do live in Israel and they do make the journey to Uman for Rosh Hashanah. I am sure they have considered the issue...

Tag-MehirTzedek · « **Reply #9 on:** August 30, 2013, 11:57:05 AM »

Quote from: muman613 on August 30, 2013, 01:18:09 AM

Rosh Hashanah is not a pilgrimage festival.

THANK YOU. EXACTLY! Yet they make it into a pilgrimage to Uman.

muman613 · « **Reply #10 on:** August 30, 2013, 03:03:02 PM »

Quote from: Tag-MehirTzedek on August 30, 2013, 11:57:05 AM

THANK YOU. EXACTLY! Yet they make it into a pilgrimage to Uman.

What I meant, which it seems you did not understand, is that Rosh Hashanah does not require the Jew to come to Israel as do the Regalim (Passover, Shavuot, Sukkot). Thus, aside from the question of whether a Jew currently living in Eretz Yisrael should (or should not) be able to leave in order to attend the Uman festival. So I do not see a problem if a Jew currently in Galut goes to this event.

For me the attraction is the feeling of Unity which is felt in such a large gathering of like-minded people. Having attended large 'rock-music' events where the entire crowd appeared to have such unity was an awesome experience. It is truly a spiritual experience to have so many people who are so very motivated to make Teshuva, to visit the kever of Rabbi Nachman, and to daven with a special intensity.

So I leave it to a question of whether Jews currently in Israel should leave. There is disagreement on this issue.

Ephraim Ben Noach · « **Reply #11 on:** August 30, 2013, 08:08:28 PM »

Quote from: Tag-MehirTzedek on August 29, 2013, 11:51:07 PM

Dude

Sorry Tag, I'm just so mad, I think bad things are coming and there is going to be a lot of suffering in the world, that didn't have to happen. Now the Moshiach is going to come with vengeance, because Jews and Gentiles couldn't get along, couldn't work together, didn't make HaShems name ONE through out the world, and didn't put their differences aside to rebuild the Temple, ect.

And to sound even more crazy, I think we are on our last chance, and if we don't straighten up and get it to together, we all are going to have to pay for what we have done.

Kahane-Was-Right BT · « **Reply #12 on:** September 01, 2013, 02:34:48 PM »

Quote from: אפרים בן נח on August 30, 2013, 08:08:28 PM

Sorry Tag, I'm just so mad, I think bad things are coming and there is going to be a lot of suffering in the world, that didn't have to happen. Now the Moshiach is going to come with vengeance, because Jews and Gentiles couldn't get along, couldn't work together, didn't make HaShems name ONE through out the world, and didn't put their differences aside to rebuild the Temple, ect.

And to sound even more crazy, I think we are on our last chance, and if we don't straighten up and get it to together, we all are going to have to pay for what we have done.

If your complaint is truly that Jews and Gentiles didn't work together, Jews can hardly be blamed for this.

So I guess the messiah won't have to punch me, and my beautiful face is safe.

Ephraim Ben Noach · « **Reply #13 on:** September 01, 2013, 03:41:55 PM »

Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on September 01, 2013, 02:34:48 PM

If your complaint is truly that Jews and Gentiles didn't work together, Jews can hardly be blamed for this.

So I guess the messiah won't have to punch me, and my beautiful face is safe.

I'm definitely not saying it's the Jews fault! What my complaint is that Jews can't get along with Jews, Christians can't get along with Christians, Gentiles can't get along with Gentiles, and Christians and Jews can't get along, ect. When we aren't unified, it makes us an easy target for our enemies. That being said... Christians should not get along with anti semitic Christians, and Jews should not get along with anti Israel Jews.

I hope your pretty face don't get messed up either.

Tag-MehirTzedek · « **Reply #14 on:** February 23, 2014, 10:39:12 PM »

(long time) but have to say it- does anyone who said to go to Uman still feel this way now?

Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks · « **Reply #15 on:** March 01, 2014, 03:00:00 PM »

I think in light of recent events that it's pretty safe to say that no sane person should go to Ukraine!

Tag-MehirTzedek · « **Reply #16 on:** March 01, 2014, 06:50:01 PM »

Uman man, Nazis Nazis, Uman man, Nazis Nazis, Uman is full of Nazis, Uman is full of Nazi's, Uman is full of Naziis......

Ephraim Ben Noach · « **Reply #17 on:** March 01, 2014, 07:59:56 PM »

Quote from: Tag-MehirTzedek on March 01, 2014, 06:50:01 PM

Uman man, Nazis Nazis, Uman man, Nazis Nazis, Uman is full of Nazis, Uman is full of Nazi's, Uman is full of Naziis......

That version SUCKS!

Tag-MehirTzedek · « **Reply #18 on:** March 01, 2014, 08:17:28 PM »

Quote from: אפרים בן נח on March 01, 2014, 07:59:56 PM

That version SUCKS!

Yea, but 50 bucks says that some of them will still find the inspiration to "make it" to Uman, "despite all the difficulties". They in their mind will probably reason- The Satan doesn't want us to go because he knows that if we go it will be a great tikkun (or something like that).
That why I would bet 50 bucks for it and let's see what will happen.

How about this version of another song of theirs-

Na Na Na nuts, these people are very nutz, na na na nuts, they are all nutz.

Ephraim Ben Noach · « **Reply #19 on:** March 01, 2014, 08:41:28 PM »

Quote from: Tag-MehirTzedek on March 01, 2014, 08:17:28 PM

Yea, but 50 bucks says that some of them will still find the inspiration to "make it" to Uman, "despite all the difficulties". They in their mind will probably reason- The Satan doesn't want us to go because he knows that if we go it will be a great tikkun (or something like that).
That why I would bet 50 bucks for it and let's see what will happen.

How about this version of another song of theirs-

Na Na Na nuts, these people are very nutz, na na na nuts, they are all nutz.

That's funny, but whatever.

Ephraim Ben Noach · « **Reply #20 on:** March 01, 2014, 08:49:12 PM »

Quote from: Tag-MehirTzedek on March 01, 2014, 08:17:28 PM

Yea, but 50 bucks says that some of them will still find the inspiration to "make it" to Uman, "despite all the difficulties". They in their mind will probably reason- The Satan doesn't want us to go because he knows that if we go it will be a great tikkun (or something like that).
That why I would bet 50 bucks for it and let's see what will happen.

How about this version of another song of theirs-

Na Na Na nuts, these people are very nutz, na na na nuts, they are all nutz.

You do kinda throw me off sometimes... Sometimes you are for something and upset, and later you're against it and upset.... Sometimes you freak out that people are attacking Haredi, and then later you're attacking them...

Tag-MehirTzedek · « **Reply #21 on:** March 01, 2014, 09:27:23 PM »

Quote from: אפרים בן נח on March 01, 2014, 08:49:12 PM

You do kinda throw me off sometimes... Sometimes you are for something and upset, and later you're against it and upset.... Sometimes you freak out that people are attacking Haredi, and then later you're attacking them...

Attacking who? I'm upset (if you will) when its attacks that are wrong and unjustified (with misinformation and twisting of the facts), otoh when its correct to expose the truth and dangers I do so. Nothing more nothing less.

muman613 · « **Reply #22 on:** March 01, 2014, 10:59:37 PM »

I do not think it is wise to go at this time...

I think the time is coming to move the Kever of the Rabbi to Israel where he belongs.

But till such time there will be those who go regardless of the risk. So too there are those Breslov who make the dangerous journey to the Kever of Yosef...

Is this justification to mock them? I think not... But something odd has been happening to tag lately and I don't know what it is. I would help if I could.