Land for peace/ temporary control question.

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

  Wanted to ask Chaim for Ask JTF but need to make it into smaller words.
Even though we are against "land for peace" in general, is their or were their times when we should have had just accepted foreign rule (like Rome) grown stronger and then attacked when the prospects were better for us to win. Or should we have attacked any time and every time possible.

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

This is not the time of Rome, the Jews have been given the land back! Like HaShem said! That means no compromise!  The Jews have to work on common ground, and forget the BS. You have to get everyone to unite to serve the land of Israel! And that means even non Jews...

[muman613]

This is not the time of Rome, the Jews have been given the land back! Like HaShem said! That means no compromise!  The Jews have to work on common ground, and forget the BS. You have to get everyone to unite to serve the land of Israel! And that means even non Jews...

Which non-Jews are you talking about.... It seems virtually all non-Jews want the land to get rid of the Jews...

Only the righteous of the nations have a part to play in the redemption. Jewish unity is required. What the rest of the nations do, or do not do, is up to them...

[Israel Chai]

Accepting Rome worked out great.

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

Which non-Jews are you talking about.... It seems virtually all non-Jews want the land to get rid of the Jews...

Only the righteous of the nations have a part to play in the redemption. Jewish unity is required. What the rest of the nations do, or do not do, is up to them...

Definitely not ones that want to get rid of the Jews. Ones that want to team up with the Jews and bring the redemption.

[edu]

Rabbi Kahane once wrote, (but I don't recall the source) that the reason R. Yochanan ben Zakai  (spelled by Soncino as Johanan b. Zakkai) favored peace with the Romans is because he saw a sign from heaven that the Romans were going to win. Namely, he saw the doors of the Temple open up in a certain way and additional signs
which he tied together with the Prophecy of Zechariah 11:1, which he understood to be a "churban" prophecy.
The following is the soncino translation to tractate Yoma 39b for more background.

Our Rabbis taught: During the last forty years before the destruction of the
Temple the lot [‘For the Lord’] did not come up in the right hand; nor did the crimson-coloured strap
become white; nor did the westernmost light shine; and the doors of the Hekal would open by
themselves, until R. Johanan b. Zakkai rebuked them, saying: Hekal, Hekal, why wilt thou be the
alarmer thyself?5 I know about thee that thou wilt be destroyed, for Zechariah ben Ido has already
prophesied concerning thee:6 Open thy doors, O Lebanon, that the fire may devour thy cedars.7
R. Isaac b. Tablai said: Why is its8 name called Lebanon? Because it makes white the sins of
Israel. R. Zutra b. Tobiah said: Why is it called ‘Forest’, as it is written: The house of the forest of
Lebanon?9 To tell you that just as a forest produces sprouts, so does the Temple. For R. Hosea
said:10 When Solomon built the Sanctuary, he planted therein all sorts of precious golden trees,
which brought forth fruit in their season. When the wind blew against them, their fruits would fall
down, as it is said: May his fruit rustle like Lebanon.11 They were a source of income for the
priesthood. But as soon as the idolaters entered the Hekal, they dried up, as it is said: And the flower
of Lebanon languisheth.12 And the Holy One, blessed be He, will restore it to us, as it is said: It shall
blossom abundantly, and rejoice, even with joy and singing, the glory of Lebanon shall be given to
it.13
Footnotes
(5) Predict thy own destruction.
(6) I.e., concerning this significant omen of the destruction of the Temple.
(7) Zech. XI, 1. Ido was his grandfather, but it occurs occasionally that a man is called ‘the son after a distinguished
ancestor.
(8} The Sanctuary. A play on iubck, connected with ick.
(9) I Kings X, 21.
(10) V. supra 21b.
(11) Ps. LXXII, 16.
(12) Nahum I, 4.
(13) Isa. XXXV, 2.

This is not a complete answer to your question Tag-MehirTzedek, but at least it answers one aspect of the question.