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Modern Orthodox?
Binyamin Yisrael:
I'm Modern Orthodox.
Binyamin Yisrael:
--- Quote from: muman613 on October 24, 2013, 12:42:48 AM ---Shalom IsraeliHeart,
Recently a Modern Orthodox Rabbi published a heresy which the MO establishment did not reject. He suggested that our Torah was not given to us by Hashem, rather it was written by a group of men over a period of many hundred of years. The suggestion riled many people, myself included. It is an obvious heresy to believe that, as one of the 13 principles of Rambam is that Torah is from Hashem given to Moshe at Sinai.
Otherwise I do listen to some MO rabbis.... I do not think that it is best for us though...
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That is not a rabbi.
Binyamin Yisrael:
--- Quote from: IsraeliHeart on October 24, 2013, 12:53:06 AM ---Ok, here is the scenario. I went to shul for Shabbat. And after it was over, we all sat down and ate in the same table, men and women. And women singing louder than men. In the same table.
I, however, was not singing and was the odd one out for not participating. In a Shabbat dinner, the same thing happened and the host asked that we ALL participate.
Maybe it's silly of me or I have been missing something, but is this normal? I mean, it's ok to do this?
Also, I have been looking for a Breslov community in LA but have been unable to find one at all. It's VERY discouraging. What is there for me if there is no one around? I don't know how I could be Breslov if I don't meet other Breslov women and live in a MO community. I'm just confused.
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It seems that type of community is more conducive to meeting someone to marry. Where I live, men and women don't socizalize together. Usually only when in Israel do men and women talk to each other. This can be for the year in Israel yeshivah student or someone just visiting Israel and being involved in social situations where you can meet men and women the same age as you which don't exist in our communities in the exile. That is part of the growing marriage crisis in American Jewry. Non-religious Jews have the marriage crisis of intermarriage and purposefully delaying marriage until later in life.
For religious Jew, the marriage crisis is not having the opportunity to meet someone to marry because you were not raised religious and there is shiduch available or because in the modern age people are still religious back in the old days but without active shadchanim. So the result is young Jews that want to get married that don't know anyone to marry and are not introduced to anyone. I think the Modern Orthodox way is better. My community is too yeshivish, even with a new Modern Orthodox rabbi, the attitude is still yeshivish in the way men and women act together. Also, there are no single women in my synagogue. Anyone single is usually the daughter or a member and when they grow up they usually go to seminary. Most weddings in my synagogue involve someone meeting someone from Baltimore, Lakewood, Brooklyn, or Monsey. People rarely marry someone from the local area.
Tag-MehirTzedek:
--- Quote from: IsraeliHeart on October 24, 2013, 12:53:06 AM ---Ok, here is the scenario. I went to shul for Shabbat. And after it was over, we all sat down and ate in the same table, men and women. And women singing louder than men. In the same table.
I, however, was not singing and was the odd one out for not participating. In a Shabbat dinner, the same thing happened and the host asked that we ALL participate.
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Wait what you described the first post and now are totally different. If you prayed separately but ate sitting together it is fine. About the singing not too sure but their could be room for leniency since it was singing as a group and not individually, but anyway a women should act modestly in such a situation and not sing.
In general be careful with some "Modern Othodox" as well. Anyone can label themselves as they wish, MO could be a cover up for deform or CONservative's as well.
muman613:
I agree with what Tag said. The only requirement is for separate davening. As long as you don't touch a person of the opposite gender I don't think there is any problem with 'mixed seating' at the meal. I usually try not to sit next to a married woman if I can, otherwise I just do not shake hands or 'hug' as some do.
See this post for more info on the MO (also called Open Orthodoxy) Rabbi I mentioned @
http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,70653.msg603250.html#msg603250
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