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Evangelicals Being Wooed to the dark side... Bad news!
« on: October 28, 2013, 04:12:20 PM »
As is the case with everything in this G-d created world, Israel and the Jewish people cannot rely on anyone, any organization, or anything but Hashem. For many years we have been told that Evangelical Christians are the biggest supporters of the Jewish state. Now it seems that due to concerted effort by our cursed enemies we cannot even rely on the support of these evangelical Christians in the foreseeable future.

This article by the famed Dr Manfred Gerstenfeld explains the situation in detail...



http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/14023#.Um7D9HVDsjg

Op-Ed: The Pro-Palestinian Campaign to Woo US Evangelicals
Published: Monday, October 28, 2013 7:47 AM
Interview with American Evangelical Christian Jim Fletcher: "The top power centers within American Evangelicalism are already committed to spreading the Palestinian version of the conflict."

“A massive effort is going on in the heart of the American Evangelical Church to lure its members to the Palestinian side. There are approximately 100 million self-identifying Evangelicals in the U.S, of which a much smaller number is actively connected with their faith. There are probably about 15 million engaged Evangelical Millennials.

“It is severely mistaken to think that all Evangelicals are pro-Israel. Millennials are constantly being targeted with the Palestinian narrative through media, conferences, mentoring relationships, book publishing and social networks. Frequently shown films are: ‘Little Town of Bethlehem’ and ‘With God on Our Side.’”

Jim Fletcher is a life-long American Evangelical Christian. He spent 20 years in the Christian book publishing industry. In 2007, Fletcher became a full-time writer and researcher, specializing almost exclusively in advocacy for Israel.

“The top power centers within American Evangelicalism are already committed to spreading the Palestinian version of the conflict. These pro-Palestinian leaders currently control the narrative within the Church.

“The leading organization for American Evangelical leadership/mentoring is Catalyst Conference. Its director cultivates relationships with anti-Israel Christians. Catalyst Conference enables pro-Palestinian presentations to be made available across the U.S and is the ‘mother ship’ of these efforts at the organizational level.

“Relevant is the leading periodical for Evangelical Millennials. Cameron Strang, its publisher, openly advocates for the Palestinians. His wide and influential circle of friends runs the Evangelical gamut.

“To further understand what is going on, one can best detail the background of the principal people involved in the pro-Palestinian propaganda. There are three major drivers: Todd Deatherage, co-founder – along with Greg Khalil - a Palestinian – of Telos Group, a non-profit officially dedicated to conflict resolution. Deatherage is a former State Department official from the second Bush administration and has a conservative, “Bible-Belt” Evangelical background.

“Lynne Hybels is a close friend of Deatherage and co-founder and Pastor of the Willow Creek Association, a ‘mega-church’ movement in Chicago with 9,000 churches. It appeals to center-left Evangelicals interested in social justice. Hybels has the funding and time to travel to what she calls ‘Israel/Palestine’ and promote the Palestinian/PLO view of the conflict.

“A third major player is Sami Awad, Director of the Holy Land Trust. This is a Bethlehem Palestinian Christian organization with close ties to the Palestinian Sabeel Ecumenical Liberation Theology Center in Jerusalem and other Israel-hate groups. Awad has perfected the model of bringing the Palestinian narrative into American churches.

“Other important individuals are: Shane Claiborne, Tony Campolo of Eastern University, Jonathan Merritt, Mae Cannon of World Vision, Dr. Gary Burge of Wheaton College, Dr. Paul Alexander of Eastern University, and Dale Hanson Bourke. They represent a broad spectrum of the many Evangelical denominations. They are also supported ideologically by top leadership which includes Rick Warren of Southern California’s Saddleback Community Church. He and Bill Hybels – the husband of Lynn – are the kingpins of modern American Evangelicalism.

“Until a few years ago, several Palestinian Christians like Naim Ateek, head of the Sabeel Ecumenical Liberation Theology Center headquartered in Jerusalem, figured prominently in the promotion of the Palestinian narrative. His tone however was too strident for the target population. Awad arose as the new face of this narrative. Palestinian Christians figure very prominently in the campaign to demonize Israel and its Christian supporters. They are aided immeasurably by Dr. Burge.

“In the Palestinian narrative, emotion is predominant. The emphasis is on ‘land confiscations, checkpoints, detentions, beatings.’ What they call the ‘apartheid wall’ is also mentioned frequently. One should however not underestimate the fact that Replacement Theology is sweeping the American Evangelical Church.

“Mainstream Christian negative attitudes about Israel and Jews are being wholly transplanted into the heart of Evangelicalism. ‘Bridge’ individuals, such as Campolo are more closely linked to the mainline ‘liberal theology’ worldview than regular Evangelicals. This virulent critic of Israel has mentored younger leaders of Southern Baptist and Pentecostal (Assemblies of God) groups.

“Anti-Semitism also seems to be an important factor. It is usually hidden and subtle. Yet there is much anecdotal evidence of it. A long-time friend in the Christian book publishing industry told me many years ago: ‘American Christians like Israel, but they don’t like Jews.’ This statement is largely on-target.

“To my knowledge, there are no broad-based Evangelical leaders in the U.S. who will speak out about this problem, which is developing into an epidemic.  Victor Styrsky, Eastern Regional Coordinator for Christians United for Israel (CUFI) said to me in 2012: ‘If something isn’t done soon, in 10 years, pro-Israel support among American Evangelicals will all be over.’ The way things are going, support will completely flip from Israel to the Palestinians in the next generation. The so-called ‘Christian Palestinianists’ are currently way ahead of Christian Zionists in the propaganda wars.”
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: Evangelicals Being Wooed to the dark side... Bad news!
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2013, 04:37:26 PM »
Muman don't confuse those "evangelicals" with the ones who support Israel. There's a lot of corruption and infiltration by leftists into various branches of Christianity just as there is in Judaism. Where do you think the "Reform" and "Conservative" branches of Judaism came from? I don't blame faithful Orthodox Jews for that insanity.

Both religions have been under attack by the same group of communists.

Many Christian denominations that used to be solid and truly right wing have become leftist, and many of the ones that are still right wing are having schisms and communist infiltrators trying to undermine them too. Communists aren't going to leave any important institution in society untouched and that includes religious institutions.

It's important to see the left wing crap as being an infiltration/contamination, rather than something native to the Christian faith.

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Re: Evangelicals Being Wooed to the dark side... Bad news!
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2013, 04:43:19 PM »
It is shocking to see the name Rick Warren, who recently gained a lot of fame giving the Evangelicals a new facade.... It seems he has been consumed by the dark side, according to this article.

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: Evangelicals Being Wooed to the dark side... Bad news!
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2013, 04:43:59 PM »
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Richard Duane "Rick" Warren (born January 28, 1954) is an American evangelical Christian pastor and author.[1][2][3] He is the founder and senior pastor of Saddleback Church, an evangelical megachurch located in Lake Forest, California, currently the eighth-largest church in the United States (this ranking includes multi-site churches).[4] He is also a bestselling author of many Christian books, including his guide to church ministry and evangelism, The Purpose Driven Church, which has spawned a series of conferences on Christian ministry and evangelism. He is perhaps best known for the subsequent devotional The Purpose Driven Life which has sold over 30 million copies, making Warren a New York Times bestselling author.[5][6]

Warren holds conservative theological views[7] and holds traditional evangelical views on social issues such as abortion, same-sex marriage, and embryonic stem-cell research. Warren has called on churches worldwide to also focus their efforts on fighting poverty and disease, expanding educational opportunities for the marginalized, and caring for the environment. During the 2008 United States presidential election, Warren hosted the Civil Forum on The Presidency at his church with both presidential candidates, John McCain and Barack Obama. Obama later sparked controversy when he asked Warren to give the invocation at the presidential inauguration in January 2009.[8]
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: Evangelicals Being Wooed to the dark side... Bad news!
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2013, 04:47:49 PM »
Apparently it is true that Warren embraces the Palestinian narrative..


http://americablog.com/2008/12/breaking-tape-shows-rick-warren-praising-israel-hating-terror-state-syria-as-a-moderate-country-that-treats-its-jews-great.html

http://www.everlastinglifeministries.com/pdl/pdl_opinion.asp

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Rick Warren also subscribes to Replacement Theology. Replacement Theology teaches that the church has replaced Israel; the blessings given to Israel in the Tanach have been "transferred" to the church without any of the related curses. In this view there is no significance of modern Israel, it is just another country.


Warren is spreading 'Chrislam':

http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=1366

http://www.holybibleprophecy.org/2012/02/28/rick-warren-acknowledges-christians-and-muslims-worship-same-god-by-elliott-nesch/
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: Evangelicals Being Wooed to the dark side... Bad news!
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2013, 06:07:07 PM »
Does anyone have any good news anymore? 

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Re: Evangelicals Being Wooed to the dark side... Bad news!
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2013, 06:45:25 PM »
Was Jim Jones a southern baptist too ?

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« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2013, 08:04:27 PM »
Rick warren was probably influenced by his best friend Yusuf Estes (formerly known as Cat Stevens)
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Re: Evangelicals Being Wooed to the dark side... Bad news!
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2013, 08:13:57 PM »
Bill Hybels is another Evangelical devil to be watched...

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William Hybels (born December 12, 1951, Kalamazoo, Michigan) is the founding and senior pastor of Willow Creek Community Church in South Barrington, Illinois, one of the most attended churches in North America, with an average attendance of nearly 24,000 as of 2011.[1] The church has been listed as the most influential church in America for the last several years in a national poll of pastors.[2][3] He is the founder of the Willow Creek Association and creator of the Global Leadership Summit. Hybels is also an author of a number of Christian books, especially on the subject of Christian leadership.


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Today I read an article in the Jerusalem Post advocating that Jesus wasn’t Jewish and was more likely a Palestinian! Every Christian friend of Israel is the target of these non-biblical Christian leaders who want us to give the enemy the ultimate victory by denying that our Messiah was a Jew. Because if Jesus is a “Palestinian” the Israel and Jews cannot stand on the Covenant that God made with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Israel). This growing trend among Christians, especially Christian leaders, is both shocking and outrageous.

Even more appalling are the leaders behind this movement – organizations like the World Council of Churches and Lynne Hybels, wife of Pastor Bill Hybels of Willow Creek Community Church in Chicago, Ill.

Along with this trend, earlier this year, church leaders like Bill Hybels, Rick Warren of Saddleback Church in Orange County, Calif., and Robert Shuller of the Crystal Cathedral were encouraging pastors to invite Muslims into their pulpits to celebrate our common values, embracing another heresy: Chrislam!
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: Evangelicals Being Wooed to the dark side... Bad news!
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2013, 09:25:03 PM »
It is shocking to see the name Rick Warren, who recently gained a lot of fame giving the Evangelicals a new facade.... It seems he has been consumed by the dark side, according to this article.

He's been on the dark side for a really long time now. He's one of those New Ager types.

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« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2013, 09:39:14 PM »
He's been on the dark side for a really long time now. He's one of those New Ager types.
What do you mean by "New Ager types"?
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Re: Evangelicals Being Wooed to the dark side... Bad news!
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2013, 10:11:49 PM »
It is shocking to see the name Rick Warren, who recently gained a lot of fame giving the Evangelicals a new facade.... It seems he has been consumed by the dark side, according to this article.
Rick Whoren has always been a disgusting, monstrous roll of lard. As for the topic in general, Jesus himself said that not all who cry out "Lord, Lord" are real believers.

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« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2013, 10:15:47 PM »
Warren has always been a faux Evangelical,and most Evangelicals know this.In California maybe he's considered one.
Even here in California a lot of people don't like this beast.

As for Muman's original post, what can I say--a lot of it is true. American "Christianity" is really not much different from American Jewry. There have always been lots of phonies within our ranks. Calvary Chapel is still a very staunchly pro-Israel denomination.

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« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2013, 10:17:07 PM »
He's been on the dark side for a really long time now. He's one of those New Ager types.
He believes in neopagan spiritism.

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« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2013, 10:19:27 PM »
What do you mean by "New Ager types"?

Basically there's a group of "Christians" who mix new age teachings with Christianity to form a really evil hybrid. Rick Warren is one of them. Sadly I am sure Joel Osteen is another, even though I had nothing but the deepest respect for his father. Some of the more prominent people in the "evangelical" community have embraced this kind of philosophy and are leading a lot of people astray down the path of leftism.

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« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2013, 10:23:33 PM »
Basically there's a group of "Christians" who mix new age teachings with Christianity to form a really evil hybrid. Rick Warren is one of them. Sadly I am sure Joel Osteen is another, even though I had nothing but the deepest respect for his father. Some of the more prominent people in the "evangelical" community have embraced this kind of philosophy and are leading a lot of people astray down the path of leftism.
The N.T. does warn repeatedly of false prophets in the church...

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« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2013, 10:26:52 PM »
True and there are many of them now like never before. There were always some but it seems like just about every "establishment" leader out there is false now.

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« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2013, 10:33:53 PM »
I'm SO SORRY for saying this... What if the trinity is the false prophet or false Church in Revelations? Sorry!
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« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2013, 10:37:52 PM »
I'm SO SORRY for saying this... What if the trinity is the false prophet or false Church in Revelations? Sorry!

That at least is one of the teachings of Christianity. So right or wrong, at least you can say that the Trinity is something that is a Christian teaching. If someone is upset about that then that's something that could legitimately be debated, etc.

Unlike that, the leftism/communism/New Agey stuff has nothing to do with Christianity.

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« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2013, 11:41:29 PM »
Basically there's a group of "Christians" who mix new age teachings with Christianity to form a really evil hybrid. Rick Warren is one of them. Sadly I am sure Joel Osteen is another, even though I had nothing but the deepest respect for his father. Some of the more prominent people in the "evangelical" community have embraced this kind of philosophy and are leading a lot of people astray down the path of leftism.


The New Age people also hijacked Kabbalah. I guess the "Kabbalah Center" is the Jewish version of this nonsense. Also, New Age astrologers hijacked Kabbalah and Kabbalistic terms and made them part of their idolatry. Real Kabbalah is just a part of Judaism and is not a separate movement. It's like if someone says they are "followers of Talmud" without believing in the Torah. In order to be a follower of the Talmud or a follower of Kabbalah, you have to follow the Torah. The Talmud and Kabbalah are just parts of the Jewish Oral Law/Oral Tradition that are inseparatable from Judaism and the Written Torah.


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« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2013, 11:43:50 PM »
Many Evangelicals believe in conspiracy theories and read the material of Barry Chamish. Some of them expose Freemasons and say that Freemasons use Kabbalah in their conspiracies.

Barry Chamish's other audience is the New Age audience. They read his UFO books. It seems people interested in conspiracy theories against Freemasons actually accuse the Freemasons of being New Age people. Maybe the two groups are mixed now.


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« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2013, 12:22:24 AM »
I'm SO SORRY for saying this... What if the trinity is the false prophet or false Church in Revelations? Sorry!

I know what you're about here, but you're hyperrationalizing on an irrational basis.
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« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2013, 02:33:43 AM »
It looks like the leftist movement is taking over the biggest Christian morality movement in the US with their classic communist infiltration tactics. The next generation of pastors is going to be allot less righteous and a whole lot more leftous and their flock would follow them into the pits of marxist hell.