Torah and Jewish Idea > Torah and Jewish Idea

The Egyptian that Moshe Killed - Would Not Father Future Converts

<< < (2/13) > >>

Israel Chai:

--- Quote from: Zelhar on December 16, 2013, 04:52:18 AM ---That incident happened before Moshe was called by God via the burning bush vision. I think Moshe acted on his own conscience and not on prophetic insight. It is not likely Moshe could use one of the secret names of god or his angels of destruction since he was not a prophet at that stage and had no way to learn these secrets as he was brought up as Egyptian.

--- End quote ---

Then why would Rashi say it?

Harzel:

--- Quote from: LKZ on December 16, 2013, 10:59:30 AM ---Then why would Rashi say it?

--- End quote ---
I am not qualified to speak in his name. I am usually looking for the simplest explanation (Rashi mostly go in that way, the pshat). 

Tag-MehirTzedek:
  Zelhar is correct in that Moshe wasn't a Prophet yet. And about Rashi, its believed that he often goes by Pshat but in actuality its not very true. Often he goes by Remez and especially Derash.

 
  This is only 1 opinion by Rashi, actually it could have been from the Talmudh itself, but its not the Pshat because in the verses we clearly see that all Moshe did was look right, look left and then striked the evil Egyptian who was beating the Jew. He was simply looking to see if anyone else was around and would snitch on him (of which actually happened), or actually the Egyptian authorities who would kill him.

 But the question is WHY would they say this opinion to begin with, why not just stick to the Pshat of what happened? I believe its because at that time (after the time of Bar Kochba) it was very much dangerous for Jews to get inspired to rebel again. The Hachamim had to deter Jews from making a rebellion again after witnessing failed rebellions. Soo if a Jew would be reading this and at that time (after the Churban and the failed revolts) would be seeing a Roman striking a Jew he would be inspired by this verse to strike him, soo instead they told him not to because Moshe didn't just strike at seeing a Jew hit but saw past and future generations of that wicked Egyptian.

Tag-MehirTzedek:
By the way we also see this here in this discussion as well- people talk about Moshe (supposedly) being a gilgul of this guy and him being a gilgul of some other guy. W/E if e realize all this is a cover up to the simple meaning and message. In many ways Rabbi Kahane ZTL HYD stood for that simple message and tried to REVITALIZE or revive from the dead that real Jewish message in this case being that when an evil goy strikes a Jew, it is moral to kill him.


http://meir-kahane.angelfire.com/shemot.html/

This is a Jewish response – not to let the Gentile smite with impunity, for every single blow desecrates the Children of Israel and is blasphemy against G-d’s Name. Anyone who smites a Jew must be smitten in return. More than this: Moses’ smiting the Egyptian was the Children of Israel’s first response ever to the blows they had received, and foreshadowed all the blows, all the plagues, that G-d would yet inflict upon Egypt.

Harzel:
Tag Mehir, wouldn't it be easier if our sages simply included a warning: "Don't try this yourselves, you are not Moshe !". I want to think that if they came up with this midrash they found meaning to it that is beyond any specific time or historical circumstances.

Navigation

[0] Message Index

[#] Next page

[*] Previous page