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What do you believe is the significant reason for the lack of morality?

Apathy and the lack of good people standing up for what's right
3 (14.3%)
The general lack of faith and belief in G-d
2 (9.5%)
No fault divorce has eroded the family structure and hurt children
0 (0%)
Vilification of Biblical values in order to eliminate moral responsibility
0 (0%)
The government has purposely attempted to re-engineer ethics with laws, propaganda, and censorship
2 (9.5%)
Same sex "marriage" has destroyed gender roles which are important for society
0 (0%)
Generations of disrespect and selfishness with a false sense of entitlement
0 (0%)
The general acceptance of pornography
0 (0%)
The lack of true role models where corporate Hollywood empties take their place
0 (0%)
The lack of support for Israel and the Jewish people
0 (0%)
The public school and education system brainwashing young people
0 (0%)
The acceptance of black thug culture, rap music, hedonism, immorality, and drug use
1 (4.8%)
The worship of money and materialism
0 (0%)
The poor economy and excessive debt
0 (0%)
The internet and instant world wide communication
0 (0%)
Lack of adherence to G-d's commandments and knowledge of the Bible
1 (4.8%)
The media (television, movies, popular music, etc.) brainwashes the general public
0 (0%)
All of the above
9 (42.9%)
Other (please explain below)
3 (14.3%)

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Offline briann

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Re: POLL: What do you believe is the significant reason for the lack of morality?
« Reply #25 on: February 03, 2014, 01:32:24 PM »
I think all these issues are very true... but so much of it is instigated by our government and our media.

Kids are brainwashed at school to not respect anything that is conservative or religious.... I remember the first time I heard that one of my classmates was 'Pro-Life' everyone was shocked... it was as if he was some sort of caveman or monster... even though he was a very nice kid.   

I too was raised like this.. and I remember thinking the exact same thing.... and I still can't even mention my pro-life views to nearly anyone it seems without being labeled a caveman.

Its all about brainwashing... just like the Islamo-dictatorships brainwash the kids to want to destroy America and Israel... western establishments brainwash kids to embrace the far left and legitimizing things that are obviously wrong... and crucifying those who are obviously right.
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Re: POLL: What do you believe is the significant reason for the lack of morality?
« Reply #26 on: February 04, 2014, 11:35:31 AM »
I voted "other"
because I think it is all except the internet and belief in G-d
Things were a mess before the internet.
Also I think an athiest is capable of behaving ethically.
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Re: POLL: What do you believe is the significant reason for the lack of morality?
« Reply #27 on: February 04, 2014, 03:32:19 PM »
Quote from: fibrogirl on February 04, 2014, 11:35:31 AM
I voted "other"
because I think it is all except the internet and belief in G-d
Things were a mess before the internet.
Also I think an athiest is capable of behaving ethically.

Yes, I assume your kind of 'ethics' includes abortion and euthanasia....

Without G-d morality is whatever the majority of people think is 'moral'... There is no moral compass without the Torah.

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Re: POLL: What do you believe is the significant reason for the lack of morality?
« Reply #28 on: February 04, 2014, 03:51:10 PM »
Quote from: fibrogirl on February 04, 2014, 11:35:31 AM
I voted "other"
because I think it is all except the internet and belief in G-d
Things were a mess before the internet.
Also I think an athiest is capable of behaving ethically.

Atheists are capable of behaving ethically but their ethics are not based on any objective standard. They may have a personal moral code that is very good, but they have no higher authority to answer to where they will be held accountable for following that.
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Re: POLL: What do you believe is the significant reason for the lack of morality?
« Reply #29 on: February 04, 2014, 03:55:28 PM »
Quote from: muman613 on February 04, 2014, 03:32:19 PM
Yes, I assume your kind of 'ethics' includes abortion and euthanasia....

Without G-d morality is whatever the majority of people think is 'moral'... There is no moral compass without the Torah.
You know, I don't see what she did to warrant that. She said that it is possible to be an externally moral atheist. I did not see her advocating for atheism.
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Re: POLL: What do you believe is the significant reason for the lack of morality?
« Reply #30 on: February 04, 2014, 03:56:17 PM »
Quote from: Binyamin Yisrael on February 01, 2014, 09:42:50 PM


Obviously it doesn't. But it does in Replacement Theology. There is one Bible and One G-d. So just like I don't call it "the old t", I wouldn't call someone else's bible "the new t".
JTF Christians by definition do not practice RT.
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Re: POLL: What do you believe is the significant reason for the lack of morality?
« Reply #31 on: February 04, 2014, 03:57:20 PM »
Quote from: Rubystars on February 04, 2014, 03:51:10 PM
Atheists are capable of behaving ethically but their ethics are not based on any objective standard. They may have a personal moral code that is very good, but they have no higher authority to answer to where they will be held accountable for following that.
Good post. An atheist that adopts a moral code is basically doing so as windowdressing whether they want to face it or not, because there is nothing to back it up.
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Re: POLL: What do you believe is the significant reason for the lack of morality?
« Reply #32 on: February 04, 2014, 04:02:30 PM »
Quote from: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on February 04, 2014, 03:57:20 PM
Good post. An atheist that adopts a moral code is basically doing so as windowdressing whether they want to face it or not, because there is nothing to back it up.

Thank you and yes that's what I meant.
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Re: POLL: What do you believe is the significant reason for the lack of morality?
« Reply #33 on: February 04, 2014, 04:13:29 PM »
Quote from: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on February 04, 2014, 03:55:28 PM
You know, I don't see what she did to warrant that. She said that it is possible to be an externally moral atheist. I did not see her advocating for atheism.

I have run into fibrogirl in the Torah section. She is anti-religious and anti-Judaism if I ever saw one...

Her idea of morality includes wearing 'sexy' dresses to immodest treif parties...
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Re: POLL: What do you believe is the significant reason for the lack of morality?
« Reply #34 on: February 04, 2014, 04:18:19 PM »
Quote from: muman613 on February 04, 2014, 04:13:29 PM
I have run into fibrogirl in the Torah section. She is anti-religious and anti-Judaism if I ever saw one...

Her idea of morality includes wearing 'sexy' dresses to immodest treif parties...
That's Jenny...I knew that's what you were thinking.
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Re: POLL: What do you believe is the significant reason for the lack of morality?
« Reply #35 on: February 04, 2014, 04:20:40 PM »
Quote from: אפרים בן נח on February 04, 2014, 04:18:19 PM
That's Jenny...I knew that's what you were thinking.

Ooops...

Sorry fibrogirl... I think I just made a mistake...

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You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: POLL: What do you believe is the significant reason for the lack of morality?
« Reply #36 on: February 04, 2014, 04:25:12 PM »
 
Quote from: muman613 on February 04, 2014, 04:20:40 PM
Ooops...

Sorry fibrogirl... I think I just made a mistake...
:)
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Re: POLL: What do you believe is the significant reason for the lack of morality?
« Reply #37 on: February 04, 2014, 04:29:19 PM »
Quote from: muman613 on February 04, 2014, 04:13:29 PM
I have run into fibrogirl in the Torah section. She is anti-religious and anti-Judaism if I ever saw one...

Her idea of morality includes wearing 'sexy' dresses to immodest treif parties...
I was going to say that sounds like Jenny to me before Ephraim corrected me. I think you owe Fibro an apology...  :P
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Re: POLL: What do you believe is the significant reason for the lack of morality?
« Reply #38 on: February 04, 2014, 04:59:21 PM »
Quote from: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on February 04, 2014, 04:29:19 PM
I was going to say that sounds like Jenny to me before Ephraim corrected me. I think you owe Fibro an apology...  :P

When I realized I made a mistake I did apologize...

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Ooops...

Sorry fibrogirl... I think I just made a mistake...


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You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: POLL: What do you believe is the significant reason for the lack of morality?
« Reply #39 on: February 05, 2014, 11:33:30 AM »
Quote from: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on February 04, 2014, 03:57:20 PM
Good post. An atheist that adopts a moral code is basically doing so as windowdressing whether they want to face it or not, because there is nothing to back it up.

That might be true, I don't know.
But on a practical level, I have known athiests that do behave ethically. I am sure others here have too.

Atheists did exist in significant numbers in the 1950's and even in Victorian times.
Modern day Japan is a very irreligious society. I don't know if they are atheists, but during the Fukishima disaster they did not seem to have much looting.
Iceland, Finland and Norway (yes I know Norway is antisemitic but it's good for Norweigens) all have extremely high standards of living and better human rights than more religious countries. Therefore I think a strongly atheist society that has good ethics can exist...I am just don't know if it can sustain itself long term.

That's all right Muman :)
For a while I thought someone had stolen my username.

No I don't believe in abortion. Funny you should bring that up, but I happen to know a heavy athiest here in Israel who is a bigger supporter of Efrat, an Israeli religious anti abortion charity.
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