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Michele Bachmann Tells The Truth About American Jewry
« on: March 05, 2014, 01:12:50 AM »
Michele Bachmann: American Jews Sold Out Israel

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/04/michele-bachmann-jews-_n_4899270.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

Now, for an American Jewish leader to say the same thing. Fat chance.


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Re: Michele Bachmann Tells The Truth About American Jewry
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2014, 01:31:23 AM »
On the other hand,  Michele Bachmann has a high opinion of the Jews in the ZOA,  as she will once again speak at a major ZOA event.  Bachmann will be the keynote speaker at the upcoming ZOA Convention:

http://zoa.org/2014/01/10228860-zoa-convention-2014/

 January 16, 2014   


ZOA Convention 2014




SUNDAY, MARCH 9 – MONDAY, MARCH 10, 2014
PHILADELPHIA, PENNSYLVANIA

ZOA MEMBERS OF RECORD ARE INVITED TO BECOME VOTING DELEGATES.
CONTACT YOUR REGIONAL REPRESENTATIVE OR THE NATIONAL OFFICE FOR DETAILS

Join ZOA in Philadelphia, a city with great significant and historical sites, such as the Liberty Bell, Independence Hall, the National Museum of American Jewish History, National Constitution Center, Barnes Museum and much more. A very special group rate is available at the Hotel for ZOA delegates and guests.

MARCH 9th DINNER KEYNOTE SPEAKER
U.S. CONG. MICHELE BACHMANN

Call: 212-481-1500 for further information


Read more: http://zoa.org/2014/01/10228860-zoa-convention-2014/#ixzz2v4EOtkWp


Michele Bachmann made an excellent speech at the Annual ZOA Dinner back in November:

"Israel's leaders seem to be more afraid of Obama than they are of G-d. Now we're getting to the real root of the problem. Secular politics won't save Israel. Denying the divine nature of the Jewish State has brought Israel neither stability nor peace. When that changes Israel will finally be blessed with both in abundance"-----------NormanF   ( Posted on Israel Matzav's Blog )

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Re: Michele Bachmann Tells The Truth About American Jewry
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2014, 02:38:52 AM »
ZOA is the only somewhat sane mainstream Jewish org in America.

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Re: Michele Bachmann Tells The Truth About American Jewry
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2014, 09:24:07 AM »
I have a hard time understanding WHY American and liberal Jews are the way they are. It is as if they themselves are "Jew haters". I liken it to "white guilt".

I totally agree with Cong. Bachmann.

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Re: Michele Bachmann Tells The Truth About American Jewry
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2014, 03:30:57 PM »
Most american jews don't want to be jewish anymore, and america has given them the opportunity to opt out.  Jews, if that's what they still are, are more concerned with abortion and black and gay rights than Israel.  We may be witnessing the slow death of american jewry.


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Re: Michele Bachmann Tells The Truth About American Jewry
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2014, 04:37:21 PM »
I must speak out here...

I see a lot of evil speech against Jews here. Yes, I know we are talking about what we call 'self-hating' and 'leftists' Jews. But this net is cast over a lot of very good Jews. Now you may ask what is a 'good' Jew in my estimation. True they may not be the most observant of the commandments, sure they may not be the most supportive of the causes we support, but they are Jews and they deserve a little respect.

We are a small people and we cannot continue to go on if we divide and separate from our Jewish brothers and sisters who have lost their way. My view is that we should rebuke them in a way which will give them the desire to return.

My own experience validates this.. I have had a relationship with a progressive shul in my community. They are all good people, and Jews to the heart, and although they are called 'unaffiliated' and 'progressive' they have a deep-rooted belief that Israel is the Jewish homeland. Recently they held a public event in support of Israel and it made me proud.

I live in the looniest and most liberal part of California and yet the 'progressive' temple here holds a support Israel day... Am I lucky? Am I blessed? I think that this is a sign that it is possible to steer communities back to supporting Israel and Jewish identity.

It saddens me to read all the negativity toward these lost Jewish souls. I feel it is my responsibility to reach out to them. Angel Michael defends all Jews, the good, the bad, and the ugly...

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: Michele Bachmann Tells The Truth About American Jewry
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2014, 04:41:01 PM »
I have a hard time understanding WHY American and liberal Jews are the way they are. It is as if they themselves are "Jew haters". I liken it to "white guilt".

I totally agree with Cong. Bachmann.

drimg,

It is a thing called 'galus mentality' (mentality of Jews in exile).... For 2000 years we have been guests in our host countries, unable to really speak up, often not given legal rights at all (in muslim states) or threatened with death if we did not convert (by the Christians).

Many Jews adopted a mindset to not make waves in politics. Many Jews tried to hide their Jewish faith, and did their mitzvahs (ritual commandments) in private so that the non-jews would not be aroused to kill us.

Being people who seek peace and not wanting to 'rock the boat' to cause undue light to be shone on the Jewish community, Jews have adopted this meek posture which has only exacerbated the problem of Jew hatred.

I understand the problem and work on trying to solve it...

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: Michele Bachmann Tells The Truth About American Jewry
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2014, 04:43:46 PM »
The Torah itself exposes this problem in the story of Shemot/Exodus...

The Jews who were freed from Egyptian bondage repeatedly asked Moses to allow them to return to Egypt where the 'comfortable' slave life awaited them. It was more desirable to live a determined life of slavery than a unknown future in freedom. Jews grow comfortable in their host countries and have real doubts about whether Hashem is still with us.

The solution to this is to show that Hashem is indeed with us. That we have nothing to fear.

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: Michele Bachmann Tells The Truth About American Jewry
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2014, 04:45:24 PM »
the 'progressive' temple here holds a support Israel day
And then they go out and vote for Obama, march for sodomites, demand economic assistance for the Fakestinians, etc. They are anything but "meek". They don't care about the risk of offending Gentiles with their insane and evil positions on other issues*, so it's not an excuse for their unwillingness to stand up for their brothers and sisters who have fulfilled the commandment of aliyah.

Even the most ferocious anti-Semites, for the most part, claim to support Israel--such as the Nazis Fag Buchanan and John Kerry, ysv.

American Jews turned a blind eye during the Holocaust, because that would interfere with their religion (worshipping the big-government socialist Nazi tyrant FDR) and they turn a blind eye to the plight of Israel today.

Is it sad that it's only Gentiles like Bachmann that are willing to say this? Yes, but what can I say, it is what it is.


*Obviously this is no excuse for anti-Semitism of any kind. I am just refuting the argument that Jews in the West are not pro-Israel because they are afraid of offending the Gentile authorities. Western countries have freedom of speech and there is no (official) persecution for supporting Israel, anyway.

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Re: Michele Bachmann Tells The Truth About American Jewry
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2014, 04:45:44 PM »
Chabad explains this here:

http://www.chabad.org/parshah/article_cdo/aid/410346/jewish/What-Will-The-World-Say.htm

Much has been said and written about the galut mentality, the subservience felt by generations of Jews living in the Diaspora. As second-class citizens for so many generations in Eastern Europe and in the Arab countries, Jews, allegedly, came to lose their self-esteem. Finally, in our own time, the old ghetto Jew would be replaced with a proud, strong, independent Israeli. No more would Moshke the Jew cower before his poretz, the country squire. Jews would now walk tall.

In our parshah, Moses reminds his people never to forget that it was G-d who took them out of Egypt and who led them through the wilderness into the Promised Land. And he describes the wilderness as "that great and awesome desert." The wilderness before we reach the Promised Land represents the state of exile. And the problem with this wilderness is that we are impressed with it. In our eyes it is "great." The big, wide world out there is great, powerful, impressive and all too overwhelming to the Jew.

We forget that the real galut mentality is not confined to those living in an eighteenth-century ghetto. The real exile is the exile within, the exile inside our own heads and hearts. The exile in considering the non-Jewish world to be so great. When we attach so much significance to the outside world, then we are still living in a state of exile and with a galut mindset, no matter where we may be geographically.

And once we start attaching greatness to this wilderness, our sense of self-worth is further eroded and we begin considering this wilderness not only "great" but also "awesome," even terrifying.

But why? What is so great and awesome about this outside world, about this wilderness? Why does what the non-Jewish world thinks so unsettle us? Why do we get so upset, so disturbed by what the world media says about us? Why does a cartoonist's poison pen distress us so?

The new Israel was supposed to be different. No more weakness, no more cowardice, gone with the old world syndromes. So why do we still care what they say? If we are convinced that justice and morality are with us, then it shouldn't bother us what others may say. If they have a problem with an Israel that can defend itself and stand up and fight its own battles, then that's their problem, not ours. We will do what we need to do.

Why should I respect a world that has so lost its moral bearings that genocide in Darfur goes unnoticed and the most "immoral" country on the globe is an Israel that defends its civilian population from rocket attacks? Why should we be intimidated by a world that smiles upon state-sponsored terrorism while heaping abuse upon us? Why does it still pain us when we hear them say we are guilty of disproportionate responses and excessive force? Why do we suffer anxiety attacks every time the United Nations condemns us?
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2014, 04:47:26 PM »
Chabad explains this here:

http://www.chabad.org/parshah/article_cdo/aid/410346/jewish/What-Will-The-World-Say.htm

Much has been said and written about the galut mentality, the subservience felt by generations of Jews living in the Diaspora. As second-class citizens for so many generations in Eastern Europe and in the Arab countries, Jews, allegedly, came to lose their self-esteem. Finally, in our own time, the old ghetto Jew would be replaced with a proud, strong, independent Israeli. No more would Moshke the Jew cower before his poretz, the country squire. Jews would now walk tall.

In our parshah, Moses reminds his people never to forget that it was G-d who took them out of Egypt and who led them through the wilderness into the Promised Land. And he describes the wilderness as "that great and awesome desert." The wilderness before we reach the Promised Land represents the state of exile. And the problem with this wilderness is that we are impressed with it. In our eyes it is "great." The big, wide world out there is great, powerful, impressive and all too overwhelming to the Jew.

We forget that the real galut mentality is not confined to those living in an eighteenth-century ghetto. The real exile is the exile within, the exile inside our own heads and hearts. The exile in considering the non-Jewish world to be so great. When we attach so much significance to the outside world, then we are still living in a state of exile and with a galut mindset, no matter where we may be geographically.

And once we start attaching greatness to this wilderness, our sense of self-worth is further eroded and we begin considering this wilderness not only "great" but also "awesome," even terrifying.

But why? What is so great and awesome about this outside world, about this wilderness? Why does what the non-Jewish world thinks so unsettle us? Why do we get so upset, so disturbed by what the world media says about us? Why does a cartoonist's poison pen distress us so?

The new Israel was supposed to be different. No more weakness, no more cowardice, gone with the old world syndromes. So why do we still care what they say? If we are convinced that justice and morality are with us, then it shouldn't bother us what others may say. If they have a problem with an Israel that can defend itself and stand up and fight its own battles, then that's their problem, not ours. We will do what we need to do.

Why should I respect a world that has so lost its moral bearings that genocide in Darfur goes unnoticed and the most "immoral" country on the globe is an Israel that defends its civilian population from rocket attacks? Why should we be intimidated by a world that smiles upon state-sponsored terrorism while heaping abuse upon us? Why does it still pain us when we hear them say we are guilty of disproportionate responses and excessive force? Why do we suffer anxiety attacks every time the United Nations condemns us?
How come Jews that came from oppressive and hostile places, like Russia and the Arab countries, are by and large patriotic and right-wing, while those from liberal democracies like the United States and England, which have freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and no official persecution for espousing the Israeli cause, are by and large far leftists?

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Re: Michele Bachmann Tells The Truth About American Jewry
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2014, 04:47:44 PM »
And then they go out and vote for Obama, march for sodomites, demand economic assistance for the Fakestinians, etc. They are anything but "meek". They don't care about the risk of offending Gentiles with their insane and evil positions on other issues*, so it's not an excuse for their unwillingness to stand up for their brothers and sisters who have fulfilled the commandment of aliyah.

Even the most ferocious anti-Semites, for the most part, claim to support Israel--such as the Nazis Fag Buchanan and John Kerry, ysv.

American Jews turned a blind eye during the Holocaust, because that would interfere with their religion (worshipping the big-government socialist Nazi tyrant FDR) and they turn a blind eye to the plight of Israel today.

Is it sad that it's only Gentiles like Bachmann that are willing to say this? Yes, but what can I say, it is what it is.


*Obviously this is no excuse for anti-Semitism of any kind. I am just refuting the argument that Jews in the West are not pro-Israel because they are afraid of offending the Gentile authorities. Western countries have freedom of speech and there is no (official) persecution for supporting Israel, anyway.

You know this, how?

I know actual Jews here in SF Bay area who are very strong supporters of Israel... Your blanket condemnation of them is inappropriate.

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: Michele Bachmann Tells The Truth About American Jewry
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2014, 04:49:06 PM »
The reason Jews did not openly speak out against the Holocaust was not because they supported leftists or nazis, but rather because America was much more antisemitic at the time. Jews did not have it in them to rock the boat for fear of being the brunt of antisemitism.

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2014, 04:51:14 PM »
You know this, how?

I know actual Jews here in SF Bay area who are very strong supporters of Israel... Your blanket condemnation of them is inappropriate.
And how many of them don't vote the straight Democrat ticket every single election? 3%?

Like I said, everybody claims to support Israel. Little Organ Silverstein does. Fag Buchanan does. The Pauls do.

America was still much less anti-Semitic than most other countries. Jews were attacked by the "America First" movement and allied fascist rabble anyway, and in fact FDR was even accused of being Jewish  :laugh: :::D :laugh: --so why not stand up for your brothers and sisters anyway and do what is right?

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Re: Michele Bachmann Tells The Truth About American Jewry
« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2014, 04:56:42 PM »
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It is good to point out where our brothers and sisters have gone wrong, it is another thing to try to divide us.

I am saying that it is possible  to influence our fellow Jews to be more supportive of Israel. By constantly blaming and denigrating other Jews it only makes the task harder. All Jews can have a portion of the land of Israel, it is written in the Torah... I don't know what you believe, but I believe that even the liberal Jews will one day make Teshuvah and join us.

Your being a non-Jew I understand it is difficult for you to comprehend what I am saying.
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Re: Michele Bachmann Tells The Truth About American Jewry
« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2014, 05:02:43 PM »
On the topic of how antisemitic America was in the 1920s-1930s this wikipedia page attempts to expain... If necessary I can bring other sources also..  I know that my parents parents who were the 2nd generation American citizens witnessed anti-Jew sentiment. I remember stories about how they were denied membership in organizations because they were Jewish...




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_antisemitism_in_the_United_States

1920s[edit]

Antisemitism in America reached its peak during the interwar period.[citation needed] The rise of the Ku Klux Klan in the 1920s, the antisemitic works of Henry Ford, and the radio speeches of Father Coughlin in the late 1930s indicated the strength of attacks on the Jewish community.

One element in American antisemitism during the 1920s was the identification of Jews with Bolshevism where the concept of Bolshevism was used pejoratively in the country. (see article on "Jewish Bolshevism").

Immigration legislation enacted in the United States in 1921 and 1924 was interpreted widely as being at least partly anti-Jewish in intent because it strictly limited the immigration quotas of eastern European nations with large Jewish populations, nations from which approximately 3 million Jews had immigrated to the United States by 1920.

Discrimination in education and professions[edit]
Further information: Numerus clausus

In 1922, educational discrimination became a national issue when Harvard announced it was considering a quota system for Jewish students. Although it was eventually dropped, the quota was enforced in many colleges through underhanded techniques (as late as 1945 Dartmouth College openly admitted and defended a quota system against Jewish students). To limit the growing number of Jewish students, a number of private liberal arts universities and medical and dental schools instituted a quota system referred to as Numerus clausus. These included Harvard University, Columbia University, Cornell University, and Boston University[citation needed]. In 1925 Yale University, which already had such admissions preferences as "character", "solidity", and "physical characteristics" added a program of legacy preference admission spots for children of Yale alumni, in an explicit attempt to put the brakes on the rising percentage of Jews in the student body. This was soon copied by other Ivy League and other schools[citation needed], and admissions of Jews were kept down to 10% through the 1950s. Such policies were for the most part discarded during the early 1960s although the last vestiges were not eliminated at Yale University until 1970.

Jews encountered resistance when they tried to move into white-collar and professional positions. Banking, insurance, public utilities, medical schools, hospitals, large law firms and faculty positions, restricted the entrance of Jews. This era of “polite” Judeophobia through social discrimination, underwent an ideological escalation in the 1930s.

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1930s[edit]

According to Gilman and Katz, antisemitism increased dramatically in the 1930s with demands being made to exclude American Jews from American social, political and economic life.[20]

During the 1930s and 1940s, right-wing demagogues linked the Depression of the 1930s, the New Deal, President Franklin Roosevelt, and the threat of war in Europe to the machinations of an imagined international Jewish conspiracy that was both communist and capitalist. A new ideology appeared which accused “the Jews” of dominating Franklin Roosevelt’s administration, of causing the Great Depression, and of dragging the US into WW2 against a new Germany which deserved nothing but admiration. Roosevelt's "New Deal" was derisively referred to as the "Jew Deal".[20]

Father Charles Coughlin, a radio preacher, as well as many other prominent public figures, condemned "the Jews," and Henry Ford reprinted The Protocols of the Elders of Zion in his newspaper.[21] Gerald L.K. Smith, a Disciples of Christ minister, was the founder (1937) of the Committee of One Million and publisher (beginning in 1942) of The Cross and the Flag, a magazine that declared that "Christian character is the basis of all real Americanism." Other antisemitic agitators included Fritz Julius Kuhn of the German-American Bund, William Dudley Pelley, and the Rev. Gerald Winrod. In the end, promoters of antisemitism such as Coughlin, Smith, Kuhn and Winrod achieved no more than a passing popularity as the threat of Nazi Germany became more and more evident to the American electorate. Steven Roth asserts that there was never a real possibility of a "Jewish question" appearing on the American political agenda as it did in Europe; according to Roth, the resistance to political antisemitism in the United States was due to the heterogeneity of the American political structure.[22]

American attitudes towards Jews[edit]

Antisemitism in the United States was also indicated by national public opinion polls taken from the mid nineteen thirties to the late nineteen forties. The results showed that over half the American population saw Jews as greedy and dishonest. These polls also found that many Americans believed that Jews were too powerful in the United States. Similar polls were also taken, one of which posed that 35-40 percent of the population was prepared to accept an anti-Jewish campaign.

In a 1938 poll, approximately 60 percent of the respondents held a low opinion of Jews, labeling them “greedy,” “dishonest,” and “pushy.”[23] 41 percent of respondents agreed that Jews had "too much power in the United States," and this figure rose to 58 percent by 1945. In 1939 a Roper poll found that only thirty-nine percent of Americans felt that Jews should be treated like other people. Fifty-three percent believed that "Jews are different and should be restricted" and ten percent believed that Jews should be deported.[24] Several surveys taken from 1940 to 1946 found that Jews were seen as a greater threat to the welfare of the United States than any other national, religious, or racial group.[25]

Although only 0.6 percent of the nation's 93,000 commercial bankers in 1939 were Jewish,[citation needed] the idea that Jews controlled the banking system remained a popular myth. Political antisemitism also was high during the war years, with 23 percent of respondents in one 1945 survey saying they would vote for a congressional candidate if the candidate declared "himself as being against the Jews" and as many as 35 percent saying it would not affect their vote. Jews also noted the influence of antisemitism when the U.S. State Department opposed efforts to lower immigration barriers to admit Jews and other refugees fleeing the Holocaust and Nazi-occupied Europe.

Thus, antisemitism was fairly widespread in the U.S, a sentiment which reduced the inclination of Americans to help the Jews in Europe.[citation needed]


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Apparently Jew hatred was a problem in America in the 1920-1930s...

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

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Re: Michele Bachmann Tells The Truth About American Jewry
« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2014, 06:13:21 PM »
On the topic of how antisemitic America was in the 1920s-1930s this wikipedia page attempts to expain... If necessary I can bring other sources also..  I know that my parents parents who were the 2nd generation American citizens witnessed anti-Jew sentiment. I remember stories about how they were denied membership in organizations because they were Jewish...




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_antisemitism_in_the_United_States

1920s[edit]

Antisemitism in America reached its peak during the interwar period.[citation needed] The rise of the Ku Klux Klan in the 1920s, the antisemitic works of Henry Ford, and the radio speeches of Father Coughlin in the late 1930s indicated the strength of attacks on the Jewish community.

One element in American antisemitism during the 1920s was the identification of Jews with Bolshevism where the concept of Bolshevism was used pejoratively in the country. (see article on "Jewish Bolshevism").

Immigration legislation enacted in the United States in 1921 and 1924 was interpreted widely as being at least partly anti-Jewish in intent because it strictly limited the immigration quotas of eastern European nations with large Jewish populations, nations from which approximately 3 million Jews had immigrated to the United States by 1920.

Discrimination in education and professions[edit]
Further information: Numerus clausus

In 1922, educational discrimination became a national issue when Harvard announced it was considering a quota system for Jewish students. Although it was eventually dropped, the quota was enforced in many colleges through underhanded techniques (as late as 1945 Dartmouth College openly admitted and defended a quota system against Jewish students). To limit the growing number of Jewish students, a number of private liberal arts universities and medical and dental schools instituted a quota system referred to as Numerus clausus. These included Harvard University, Columbia University, Cornell University, and Boston University[citation needed]. In 1925 Yale University, which already had such admissions preferences as "character", "solidity", and "physical characteristics" added a program of legacy preference admission spots for children of Yale alumni, in an explicit attempt to put the brakes on the rising percentage of Jews in the student body. This was soon copied by other Ivy League and other schools[citation needed], and admissions of Jews were kept down to 10% through the 1950s. Such policies were for the most part discarded during the early 1960s although the last vestiges were not eliminated at Yale University until 1970.

Jews encountered resistance when they tried to move into white-collar and professional positions. Banking, insurance, public utilities, medical schools, hospitals, large law firms and faculty positions, restricted the entrance of Jews. This era of “polite” Judeophobia through social discrimination, underwent an ideological escalation in the 1930s.

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1930s[edit]

According to Gilman and Katz, antisemitism increased dramatically in the 1930s with demands being made to exclude American Jews from American social, political and economic life.[20]

During the 1930s and 1940s, right-wing demagogues linked the Depression of the 1930s, the New Deal, President Franklin Roosevelt, and the threat of war in Europe to the machinations of an imagined international Jewish conspiracy that was both communist and capitalist. A new ideology appeared which accused “the Jews” of dominating Franklin Roosevelt’s administration, of causing the Great Depression, and of dragging the US into WW2 against a new Germany which deserved nothing but admiration. Roosevelt's "New Deal" was derisively referred to as the "Jew Deal".[20]

Father Charles Coughlin, a radio preacher, as well as many other prominent public figures, condemned "the Jews," and Henry Ford reprinted The Protocols of the Elders of Zion in his newspaper.[21] Gerald L.K. Smith, a Disciples of Christ minister, was the founder (1937) of the Committee of One Million and publisher (beginning in 1942) of The Cross and the Flag, a magazine that declared that "Christian character is the basis of all real Americanism." Other antisemitic agitators included Fritz Julius Kuhn of the German-American Bund, William Dudley Pelley, and the Rev. Gerald Winrod. In the end, promoters of antisemitism such as Coughlin, Smith, Kuhn and Winrod achieved no more than a passing popularity as the threat of Nazi Germany became more and more evident to the American electorate. Steven Roth asserts that there was never a real possibility of a "Jewish question" appearing on the American political agenda as it did in Europe; according to Roth, the resistance to political antisemitism in the United States was due to the heterogeneity of the American political structure.[22]

American attitudes towards Jews[edit]

Antisemitism in the United States was also indicated by national public opinion polls taken from the mid nineteen thirties to the late nineteen forties. The results showed that over half the American population saw Jews as greedy and dishonest. These polls also found that many Americans believed that Jews were too powerful in the United States. Similar polls were also taken, one of which posed that 35-40 percent of the population was prepared to accept an anti-Jewish campaign.

In a 1938 poll, approximately 60 percent of the respondents held a low opinion of Jews, labeling them “greedy,” “dishonest,” and “pushy.”[23] 41 percent of respondents agreed that Jews had "too much power in the United States," and this figure rose to 58 percent by 1945. In 1939 a Roper poll found that only thirty-nine percent of Americans felt that Jews should be treated like other people. Fifty-three percent believed that "Jews are different and should be restricted" and ten percent believed that Jews should be deported.[24] Several surveys taken from 1940 to 1946 found that Jews were seen as a greater threat to the welfare of the United States than any other national, religious, or racial group.[25]

Although only 0.6 percent of the nation's 93,000 commercial bankers in 1939 were Jewish,[citation needed] the idea that Jews controlled the banking system remained a popular myth. Political antisemitism also was high during the war years, with 23 percent of respondents in one 1945 survey saying they would vote for a congressional candidate if the candidate declared "himself as being against the Jews" and as many as 35 percent saying it would not affect their vote. Jews also noted the influence of antisemitism when the U.S. State Department opposed efforts to lower immigration barriers to admit Jews and other refugees fleeing the Holocaust and Nazi-occupied Europe.

Thus, antisemitism was fairly widespread in the U.S, a sentiment which reduced the inclination of Americans to help the Jews in Europe.[citation needed]


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Apparently Jew hatred was a problem in America in the 1920-1930s...
Yeah, and this happened despite American Jews sucking up to FDR and the other presidents. Where did it get them but nowhere? 6 1/2 million Jews, most of them devout and patriotic to their respective countries, were murdered thanks to this treasonous indifference.

The anti-Semites still did their thing. Nazis do not care if Jews are weak and subservient. In fact, they hate the wimpy Jews the most.

But still--even as bad as it was, anti-Semitism in America on a cultural level was much less severe than anywhere else on earth. It was not a crime for Jews to lobby for persecuted Jewry elsewhere in the world. We still had a First Amendment back then. Do you suppose that Jews in Poland, France, Russia, even England, had it better?

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Re: Michele Bachmann Tells The Truth About American Jewry
« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2014, 11:04:11 PM »
First off, lots of Jews claim to be pro-Israel.  Indeed many of them sincerely believe they are pro-Israel.  But to them, that just means liking the tiny Jewish country, and being proud of the technology that comes from there, among other things.  So yes, they'll even have Israel days to sell some Ahava Dead Sea lotions.  Big deal. 

These same people, if you ask them, will turn around and say there's no choice but for Israel to give up land to those whining thug sand beast fecalstinians.  They'll also tell you with a straight face that the fakestinians *are* oppressed by the eeevil right wing settler Jooos, and that they're under "occupation."  Or they'll say that Bibi Netanyahu doesn't want piece with the sand apes.  I've had first hand experience with this. 

These same people will always vote Democrat, and excuse any anti-Semitic behavior from a politician, as long as he's either a Democrat or black.  They have an automatic aversion to anything labeled "right wing" or even remotely appearing to be right wing. 

Finally, I want to tell you guys a story.

Many many years ago, I was at singles even at either a conserved or deformed "temple."  I don't remember which.  I was having a conversation with some guy about the Holocaust museum.  He said he wanted to go and visit.  I said I had no interest.  But then he said "But we have to remember."

Now what I should have said was "Why do we, or you have to remember? 

I mean, will it make you become more religious?  Will it make you see the importance of Israel holding on to what little land she has left no matter what?  Will it make you more right wing?  Will it make you stop excusing black anti-Semitism?

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« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2014, 11:55:05 PM »
They'll call her Anti-Semitic. The real Anti-Semites are the self-hating Jews that dispise people like her.


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« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2014, 03:21:28 AM »
Lisa,

I hope you are not insulting the Jews who I know, from a progressive shul, which held a Pro-Israel rally. I know them and they are nothing like what you describe. I suspect you did not intend to be insulting, but your message was extremely insulting to me.

I explained that I know these people and they genuinely support the state of Israel and believe that we must stand up against the pressure. My Chabad rabbi attended the event also.

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« Reply #20 on: March 06, 2014, 05:11:18 AM »
I have mixed feelings about this issue. On one hand it is meritorious to try to find merit in the Jewish people.
On the other hand, we want to educate people about the severity of Jews assimilating and abandoning the land of Israel which led to both spiritual and physical disasters in the past.
If we try to "paper over" the problems people won't work hard for solutions or if heaven forbid, some disaster happens people won't usually see the connection between their evil deeds and the disaster unless you make a big fuss about it ahead of time.
It seems Rabbi Kahane's stress was trying to point out the problems of the liberal Jewish establishment, because that was the more realistic way to promote change or repentance.
A Gentile, like Bachmann also does not have an obligation in all the laws of "lashon hara" (gossip, slander etc.) and does not have the obligation to point out all the exceptions to the rule, or all the reasons why the actions are not as terrible as it looks in the first glance.

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« Reply #21 on: March 06, 2014, 05:13:12 AM »
I know pro Israel Jews who support peace now and women of the wall.

So in a nutshell, they are delusional and think Israel should be the USA.
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« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2014, 07:35:16 PM »
ZOA is the only somewhat sane mainstream Jewish org in America.

ZOA has good intentions and I probably agree with about 90 to 95 % of what they do.   It's the other remaining % that I wish JTF's influence can be combined with the resources that ZOA has.
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« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2014, 07:38:32 PM »
Carl from Jerusalem strongly supports what Michele Bachmann expressed.   The audio of Rep. Bachmann's comments can be found on Carl's website at the following link:

http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2014/03/does-michele-bachmann-read-israel-matzav.html


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Does Michele Bachmann read Israel Matzav?




I have it on good source that there is at least one Senator who is regularly fed blog posts from Israel Matzav. After reading this piece about Michele Bachmann, I have to wonder whether she reads my blog as well. Michele made an argument on Tuesday that I have been making for years: That the vast majority of American Jewry considers the well-being of the Democratic party to be more important than the well-being of the State of Israel.

“The Jewish community gave him their votes, their support, their financial support,” Bachmann told Tony Perkins on the Family Research Center's radio channel, “and as recently as last week, 48 Jewish donors who are big contributors to the president wrote a letter...to the Democrat [sic] senators in the U.S. Senate to tell them to not advance sanctions against Iran.”

“This is clearly against Israel’s best interest,” Bachmann continued, “and what has been shocking has been seeing and observing Jewish organizations who it appears have made it their priority to support the political priority and the political ambitions of the president over the best interests of Israel.”

“They sold out Israel,” she concluded.


Unfortunately, the well-being of fellow Jews is way too down the Jewish community's list of priorities in the United States.
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« Reply #24 on: March 06, 2014, 08:03:05 PM »
Carl from Jerusalem strongly supports what Michele Bachmann expressed.   The audio of Rep. Bachmann's comments can be found on Carl's website at the following link:

http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2014/03/does-michele-bachmann-read-israel-matzav.html


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Does Michele Bachmann read Israel Matzav?




I have it on good source that there is at least one Senator who is regularly fed blog posts from Israel Matzav. After reading this piece about Michele Bachmann, I have to wonder whether she reads my blog as well. Michele made an argument on Tuesday that I have been making for years: That the vast majority of American Jewry considers the well-being of the Democratic party to be more important than the well-being of the State of Israel.

“The Jewish community gave him their votes, their support, their financial support,” Bachmann told Tony Perkins on the Family Research Center's radio channel, “and as recently as last week, 48 Jewish donors who are big contributors to the president wrote a letter...to the Democrat [sic] senators in the U.S. Senate to tell them to not advance sanctions against Iran.”

“This is clearly against Israel’s best interest,” Bachmann continued, “and what has been shocking has been seeing and observing Jewish organizations who it appears have made it their priority to support the political priority and the political ambitions of the president over the best interests of Israel.”

“They sold out Israel,” she concluded.


Unfortunately, the well-being of fellow Jews is way too down the Jewish community's list of priorities in the United States.
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