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Tuesday, March 11, 2014

WHY BRINGING RABBI NACHMAN TO JERUSALEM IS AN UNAVOIDABLE NECESSITY

The original Christians could have been Jews that made the right choice. 


If I were ordered either to leave the the settlement and remain a Jew in "Alaska" or remain in the settlement and become a supporter of the Jihad,  I would remain in the settlement and say Na Nach and dance in a discotech to prove I have converted, but I wouldn't go on a Jihaad and would try to bring the Conquerors over to better ways, this is possible when you have super powers.


This is exactly the question that was asked at the time of the temple: become Roman and stay or go to Spain.  Jesus bowed in front of a stone and looked at women and claimed he believed in G-d anyways.  He himself became an idol with the twist that it was claimed he had no father only G-d and this way, people could pray to him as a traditional Roman semi-god and maintain their tradition while being pretend idol worshipers.


This practical choice presented here is the original issue that Palestinians that believed in the HOLY LAND made to remain on the land.  Those that BOTH left the land AND became Idol Worshipers lost everything. 


The knowledge can bring Palestinians, other Muslims, Christians and the Jews of today to accept and support a Jewish State, is the belief in Na Nach, because the real challenge of all of mankind is the eradicate the Amalekites from their midst.  I will attempt to convey how this is possible.


The key issue that both precedes the Temple and the Mishkan is the promise to Josef to bring him out of Egypt for burial in Israel.  Both the belief in the holiness of Moses (founded the Mi-yesh-kan (Moshe) to spread Torah) and of David (founded temple to spread Psalms) are steps in re-establishing the holiness of Josef (the most hated man on earth! Even Pharaoh forgot him and that is THE Pharaoh that was punished along with his whole nation).  More hidden and hated then Josef is his brother.  I don't mean Benyamin who is to him only like the other brothers, brothers through his father.  Rabbi Nachman is another kind of brother, he is the very special son Rachel has continuously cried for, one that would be greater then Josef (and possibly more hated by Rabbis and even his own followers!!)  In spite of all this his fame keeps on spreading. Greater then worship in the Mishkan and the Temple which WERE only steps in the right direction is simply bringing Rabbi Nachman to Jerusalem.  That is the "Contract" of PekadPekadeti, the "Brit Mila" that was made with Josef and NOT KEPT by anyone else then Josef himself.


This is NEW information to you, but to underline this point: De-facto, the sea opened for 4 people only and no Israeli lives were lost (all Egyptians died exceptPharaoe), this could be purely by the mercy of G-d, but it could also be a temporary arrangement only since in fact we didn't deserve to leave Egypt and the three days of the fast of Esther were necessary to save us from the wrath of G-d, who had "given up".  Purim, now provides a starting point in place of Passover.  The key is the second day, the "Jerusalem" day which is celebrated like the first day although it could have been permanent had Esther told Achachverosh to crown Mordecai for good, Haman did this by the way, at a critical point, BUT ONLY FOR ONE DAY, that's why we need to bless Haman!


I have been with the World Federation For Moroccan Jewry for 3 years now.  The President, Mr. Sam Ben Shetrit, had Prime Minister Israk Rabbin sign the agreement with the King of Morocco to bring the victims of the Egoz for burial on Mt. Hertzel, as the first paper the Prime Minister signed at his desk.  Prime Minister Rabin would have succeeded with the Oslo agreements had he not been murdered, because seven weeks before he had been in the Ukraine to make the arrangements to bring Rabbi Nachman to Israel.  I have heard testimony that Rabbi Nachman's "own" followers prevented this mitsvah (halcha 363), in the most violent way possible. Rabbi Nachman before he died said: "what do you worry about since I go before you, just stick together and I will be with you".  I don't call the assassination of a Prime Minister like Gedalia (fast of Gedalia after RoshHashana) sticking together.  Maybe calling it the fast of Rabbi-N. would be more appropriate! 


Moses realized after the crossing of the sea of reeds that the Amalekites had the important function of weeding out the members of the chosen nation that didn't really merit the kindness G-d had provided them.  Joshua had to chose men to fight Amalek while Moses would raise AND LOWER his hands in an attempt to weed out the Amalekites as they weeded out the undeserving.  The Amalekiteschose men that couldn't die that day, Joshua chose the ten men that would later carry the bones of Josef!  These were the ten men that were the purest in keeping the covenant, which is BRINGING THE HOLY BONES TO ISRAEL!  Moses didn't take any chances, not even with Joshua and carried the bones of Josef on his person until the age of 120.  Rabbi Israel Ber Odesser not only revealed and studied the "petek" with the 4 Israeli politicians that are being taken off the Israeli Shekel today, but carried it on his person til his last days.  Carrying this paper is similar to what Moses did with the bones of Josef because the hand writing is like the man itself (Short story of the "hand' by Rabbi Nachman).  Now that the actual tomb of Rabbi Nachman is available and we can carry his holy body to Israel,... who are the ten men that will be selected for this task and how can we involve as much of humanity as possible in this amazing mitsvah???  This is the best way to make Amalek obsolete which will bring the fear and love of G-d to the whole planet.  Amalek realized that the slaves coming through the sea was an act of mercy and he saw that they were not all deserving, in fact those that died were precisely the ones that had not kept their oath, that day! 


If you look back, you will see that I predicted an economic crash in the Ukraine as a result of the new paper banknote they are printing of 5H. with the most perverted and cruel advocate of genocide, organizer of the Cossack movement (pro Putin).



Ezekiel 33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the horn, and the people be not warned, and the sword do come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity, but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.

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Re: Since I like getting Tag all riled up, and I hate everyone but me...
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2014, 12:37:49 AM »
You hate everyone? :(

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Re: Since I like getting Tag all riled up, and I hate everyone but me...
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2014, 03:14:38 AM »
IsraeliHeart,

I think he loves more than just himself... I think he said that in haste...

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2014, 08:23:21 AM »
But why would they want to take him out of "holy" Uman?
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« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2014, 04:38:34 PM »
But why would they want to take him out of "holy" Uman?

I am divided on this topic. On the one hand (the stronger one) I believe that Rabbi Nachman would have wanted his kever in Israel. But Uman is Holy because, as Rabbi Nachman himself stated when he chose Uman as his burial place, it is the site of the death of 1000s of Jewish martyrs (during the Massacre of Uman).

My other side still wants him to remain in Uman... But if Ukraine falls into the abyss of Jew hatred and other evils then it would be best for all of Breslev to move his remains to Israel (I suspect Tzfat)...

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

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« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2014, 04:49:09 PM »
I am divided on this topic. On the one hand (the stronger one) I believe that Rabbi Nachman would have wanted his kever in Israel. But Uman is Holy because, as Rabbi Nachman himself stated when he chose Uman as his burial place, it is the site of the death of 1000s of Jewish martyrs (during the Massacre of Uman).

My other side still wants him to remain in Uman... But if Ukraine falls into the abyss of Jew hatred and other evils then it would be best for all of Breslev to move his remains to Israel (I suspect Tzfat)...

Then Germany is holy. That's retarded.
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« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2014, 05:46:26 PM »
Then Germany is holy. That's retarded.

 :clap:  Great point, don't forget Aushwitz and Europe as a whole. We should strive to be in the LAND OF THE LIVING and not in the cemetery- the galut.

יג  לוּלֵא--הֶאֱמַנְתִּי, לִרְאוֹת בְּטוּב-יְהוָה:    בְּאֶרֶץ חַיִּים.  13 If I had not believed to look upon the goodness of the LORD in the land of the living!-- 
.   ד  עֹזְבֵי תוֹרָה, יְהַלְלוּ רָשָׁע;    וְשֹׁמְרֵי תוֹרָה, יִתְגָּרוּ בָם
4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2014, 06:35:20 PM »
Then Germany is holy. That's retarded.

No you don't really understand. You must read the history of Rabbi Nachman and determine why he decided on Uman as the place for his grave...

Starting with the name calling already LKZ.... Are you happy?

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

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« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2014, 06:37:54 PM »
LKZ,

Do you even know the meaning of 'Holy' as you place it in scare quotes?

Tell me what Holy means to you and I will tell you if you are correct...

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2014, 06:45:03 PM »
LKZ,

Do you even know the meaning of 'Holy' as you place it in scare quotes?

Tell me what Holy means to you and I will tell you if you are correct...

Sanctified, blessed. Like my tefillin, it has spiritual sanctity. Innocent Jewish blood that is spilt puts a curse, not a blessing. Torah says Hashem wasn't happy about Jewish blood being spilt in Israel. It isn't brining a blessing to accursed mudrat Uman. Just because it's in your name, doesn't mean anything.
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« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2014, 08:15:36 PM »
Sanctified, blessed. Like my tefillin, it has spiritual sanctity. Innocent Jewish blood that is spilt puts a curse, not a blessing. Torah says Hashem wasn't happy about Jewish blood being spilt in Israel. It isn't brining a blessing to accursed mudrat Uman. Just because it's in your name, doesn't mean anything.

Actually you are not correct...

Kadosh really means 'seperate', 'different', 'set apart'...

Every place that Jews have lived and they have maintained their seperate and different ways, in a way is holy. Holiness is not some magical concept.... It is an actual state of being Jewish...

I believe that Breslev is a valid path to Jewish spirituality. You are passing judgment without even knowing what is involved.

The purpose of the Uman pilgrimage has absolutely nothing to do with bringing blessing to Uman. There is much about it but I doubt you are interested, and you have taken an insulting tone... So go ahead and believe what you will...

Having said this I will again say that I believe all Jews should live in Eretz Yisroel.... But there is nothing wrong with making a pilgrimage to visit a tzadik's kever...

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

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« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2014, 08:19:19 PM »
RE: Defining Kadosh/Holy
http://ohr.edu/1362


From: Jeffrey B. Sidney

Dear Rabbi,

Many of the seemingly simple things leave me wondering. We use the word "kadosh" or "holy" often in our prayers, as in the Kedusha or in the third blessing of the Shemone Esrei standing prayer. But what does it mean? I have asked a number of people over the years, but Ive never received a clear answer. I would appreciate your thoughts. Thank you.

Dear Jeffrey,

You assume "kadosh" means holy. However, the Torah calls a harlot "kadesha" (see Gen. 38:15, 21), even though a street-walker doesnt exactly fit most peoples definition of holy. The commentators explain that kadosh means separate or set aside for a specific purpose. In the example above, then, kadesha refers to a woman who has separated herself from moral behavior and has designated herself for prostitution.

In the examples you brought, the third blessing of the shemone esrei (called kedushat Hashem) and Kedusha during the repetition of the shemone esrei, we are expressing the fact that G-d is entirely separate from the mundane world, as we attempt to raise ourselves out of materialism and cleave to Him. In this way we intend to mimic the angels, who are themselves separate from this world and designated to praise G-d.

The Jewish people are also called kadosh, as in "For you are an Am Kadosh to the Lord your G-d who has chosen you to be a special people to Himself, above all peoples of the earth" (Deut. 7:6). Here too, as explicit in the verse, the Jewish people are separate and set aside from the other nations to be G-ds special, chosen people.

Similarly, the Land of Israel is called Eretz HaKodesh, the city of Jerusalem is called Ir HaKodesh, the Temple is called Beit HaMikdash, and the most restricted area therein was called the Kadosh HaKadoshim. In all of these instances, the term kadosh expresses that these places are separate and more special than other places of their kind.

In commanding us to refrain from eating forbidden foods, G-d says hitkadashtem (withdraw yourselves from it) and you shall be kedoshim because I am kadosh (Lev. 11:44). Finally, one who sacrifices his life for his belief in God, the Torah or the commandments is also called kadosh. Such an extreme expression of faith repudiates the false beliefs of his tormentors, distinguishes him from among his people and relegates him to a special status in Heaven.
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

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« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2014, 10:11:53 PM »


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« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2014, 10:21:04 PM »
^What the hell did you go and post that for?
Ezekiel 33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the horn, and the people be not warned, and the sword do come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity, but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.

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« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2014, 10:36:23 PM »
"To the informers, let there be no hope"

I sometimes think you're an informer... And Tag toooooo!

You guy's go back and forth like you have multiple personalities. ...
Ezekiel 33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the horn, and the people be not warned, and the sword do come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity, but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.

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« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2014, 10:41:11 PM »


Angry Chinese Ephraim
Did you color that yourself? I do like Old English. ..
Ezekiel 33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the horn, and the people be not warned, and the sword do come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity, but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.

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« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2014, 10:51:07 PM »
"To the informers, let there be no hope"

I sometimes think you're an informer... And Tag toooooo!




 Who am I informing against?

 And stay off Jewish texts and prayers. You just twist it with your different (religions?) or whatever else you are on.
.   ד  עֹזְבֵי תוֹרָה, יְהַלְלוּ רָשָׁע;    וְשֹׁמְרֵי תוֹרָה, יִתְגָּרוּ בָם
4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2014, 10:56:36 PM »
Actually you are not correct...

Kadosh really means 'seperate', 'different', 'set apart'...

Every place that Jews have lived and they have maintained their seperate and different ways, in a way is holy. Holiness is not some magical concept.... It is an actual state of being Jewish...

I believe that Breslev is a valid path to Jewish spirituality. You are passing judgment without even knowing what is involved.

The purpose of the Uman pilgrimage has absolutely nothing to do with bringing blessing to Uman. There is much about it but I doubt you are interested, and you have taken an insulting tone... So go ahead and believe what you will...

Having said this I will again say that I believe all Jews should live in Eretz Yisroel.... But there is nothing wrong with making a pilgrimage to visit a tzadik's kever...

I like Breslov, and have a lot of respect for their quest for spirituality in a world so devoid of it. G-d forbid what I said is construed as insulting them. I also didn't say that they're bringing blessing to Uman, but now that you mention it, if I mailed the results of my meal a few hours ago to Uman it would bring it a blessing, because it's probably worth more than half the genital-mutilators in that hell-hole.

According to Rabbi Mizrachi, it's OK to visit graves, but it's senseless to go see that one when you're in Jerusalem, for the disrespect for the tzadikim there, and if you loose weeks of Torah study to do it and risk your life by being there, it's a sin. What do you think?
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« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2014, 10:58:22 PM »
^What the hell did you go and post that for?

Notice that the E you think is an E really is F U backwards.
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« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2014, 11:01:17 PM »
RE: Defining Kadosh/Holy
http://ohr.edu/1362


Oh OK. So Uman is "holy" like prostitutes. I agree it's holy now. Still why go pay tourism money to mudrats?
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« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2014, 11:03:49 PM »


 Who am I informing against?

 And stay off Jewish texts and prayers. You just twist it with your different (religions?) or whatever else you are on.
Okay not informer...  a Saboteur or instigator... Screw you, I do what I want! I only follow the G-d of the Universe, not men. If I'm out of line G-d will punish me, not you.
Ezekiel 33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the horn, and the people be not warned, and the sword do come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity, but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.

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« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2014, 11:08:10 PM »
Oh OK. So Uman is "holy" like prostitutes. I agree it's holy now. Still why go pay tourism money to mudrats?
Disgusting!
Ezekiel 33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the horn, and the people be not warned, and the sword do come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity, but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.

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« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2014, 11:09:59 PM »
Notice that the E you think is an E really is F U backwards.
Don't be a tool!
Ezekiel 33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the horn, and the people be not warned, and the sword do come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity, but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.

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« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2014, 11:19:15 PM »
What do you idiots not understand? If JTF wants a mass movement, you don't isolate 95 percent of the world population....
Ezekiel 33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the horn, and the people be not warned, and the sword do come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity, but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.