Arutz Sheva (IsraelNationalNews) breaks news David Tomb is handed over

[muman613]

I have not read the story fully yet but would like to share this breaking story... It appears from the headline that a deal with the Vatican has been in the works to hand over some 'control' of the Tomb of King David to the Catholic church. Even this sounds very disturbing though and there should be massive protests against this. As the article suggests, it is surely a slippery slope to giving up our entire heritage in the land Hashem gave us.


http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/180625

Report: Vatican Will Gain More Control Over King David's Tomb
Israel may not transfer the site to the Vatican outright, but it might allow more Christian control over the site. Is this a slippery slope?

Israel's envoy to the Vatican denied Wednesday that there is a deal in the works to transfer the ownership of King David's Tomb to the Church.

But Rabbi Yaakov Sevilla, an activist for King David's Tomb who has told Arutz Sheva previously that there is such a deal at play, insisted once against Wednesday that a deal is in the works - one which gives the Church more control over the site.

Rabbi Sevilla was asked to open a room at the complex recently, ahead of a conference with Tourism Minister Uzi Landau and other officials over Pope Francis's upcoming visit. The Holy See is already scheduled to hold Mass at the site during the two-day visit, in the Cenacle, or room alleged to be the site of Jesus's Last Supper, one floor above King David's Tomb.

Rabbi Sevilla opened the door and was shocked to allow multiple staffs into the room, including several representatives from the Prime Minister's Office (PMO), the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA), the Ministry of Tourism, security forces, and the Jerusalem municipality. Sevilla sat in the corner of the room to listen in on the hearing.

Several security members at the hearing asked him to leave, he alleged, but he managed to stay despite the pressure. The hearing discussed "clearing the air" before the Papal visit, which continues to be a source of media fascination and controversy.

To do this, Rabbi Sevilla said, the State has decided to extend the numbers of days per year that Christians can pray at the Cenacle. Currently, Catholic worshippers are allowed to hold Mass at the site one day per year. However, according to the Rabbi, the State intends to extend this to sixty.

Rabbi Sevilla objected to the measure, saying that the move could change the religious "status quo" of the site. All present at the hearing, however, insisted that the deal had already been established with the Vatican - whether or not he agreed. The agreement will reportedly be finalized after the Pope's visit - and the State has stressed emphatically that it will not renege on the terms of any agreement it has signed thus far with the Holy See.

Rabbi Sevilla noted that the deal confirms that there is not, as far as he knows, an intention to hand over the site to the Vatican - but only to give the Vatican more control over the Christian elements of the site.

However, he stressed, this is a slippery slope; the same logic was used when handing more control over the Temple Mount to the Waqf, and the move resulted in full sovereignty over Judaism's holiest site.

Rabbi Sevilla added that the Christian world has experienced a serious revival over the past several months over the Tomb, and that mass prayer rallies and demonstrations have been planned for the Cenacle to strengthen a Christian presence there.

While he obviously disagrees with this, the Rabbi also warned that this is not intended to cause discord between the Jewish and Christian communities.

"We will act peacefully - and I do not want anyone to do something extreme or terrible that could, possibly, harm Christian tourism," Rabbi Sevilla said. Besides for the loud protests which erupted at the site Monday, Rabbi Sevilla added another example: a conversation he had with a man from the North who insisted that he will start an underground resistance movement over the measure.

"The Jewish people will not forgive anyone who walks down this path," he warned.

[Rubystars]

They have no right to do this. 

[muman613]

They have no right to do this. 

It is Jewish heritage and NOBODY, not even Bibi the almighty, has any right to do this.

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

This is a weird question, is there any chance that they are doing all of these evil things on purpose to cause pain to Israel, in hopes of Moshiach?

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

This is a weird question, is there any chance that they are doing all of these evil things on purpose to cause pain to Israel, in hopes of Moshiach?

 No. This is crazy thinking and actions. They are doing this because they don't give a F%^k about anything Jewish.

[Manch]

No. This is crazy thinking and actions. They are doing this because they don't give a F%^k about anything Jewish.

Completely agree! Impossible in any other sane country. This a "thank you!" to Vatican for enabling the Holocaust and for the millenniums of persecutions against Jews.   

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

This is a weird question, is there any chance that they are doing all of these evil things on purpose to cause pain to Israel, in hopes of Moshiach?

I better clarify. .. I was talking about Israel's leaders.

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

Completely agree! Impossible in any other sane country. This a "thank you!" to Vatican for enabling the Holocaust and for the millenniums of persecutions against Jews.

 The Erev-rav are Am Yisrael's greatest enemies. They do everything to uproot and destroy the Torah and Am Yisrael. Peww on them. Our biggest enemies.

[kahaneloyalist]

Sadly this is nothing new. The chiloni elite want to sever the Jews from their ties to the holy places. They did the same on Har HaBayit.

[Binyamin Yisrael]

The Hilltop Youth can seize the building if they want. If they can get to isolated hilltops throughout Judea and Samaria, there is no reason why they can't do that on Mount Zion. I wrote about this about 10 years ago. I remember there were rumors back then that Israel would trade it in return for a synagogue in Spain that the Catholics made into a church.

[Every Jew AK47]

The self-hating Jewish race.. What more can I say..  As of late, I have not been happy being a Jew or going to shul..  All naive brain-dead Jews talk about is their tennis club, the son's summer camp or the great cruise they are going to be taking..   My new synagogue is having Harry Potter themed Shabbat night.. woohoo..  I was going to suggest to the rabbi at my Chabad that instead we have Masada themed Shabbat night, I think it is much more appropriate for the occasion?  A group of Jewish zealots who fought to the bloody end against Roman invaders seeking to conquer our land and destroy our race.  These are the same people with a different style robe seeking to reignite the Crusades to capture Jerusalem!!
 
We should declare war on both of the old Crusaders, the Catholics and the Muslims.. Both are the enemy of the Jewish people and always will be.. My condolences to good Catholics out there who want no part of the evilness of their Catholic monarchy which has run their religion with an iron fist for generations just as the Islamists are run by their own sultans and form of monarchy, especially the Shias, who's ayatollah more or less function's as an Islamic pope.

I say EVERY LAST JEW IS DEAD AT THE HANDS OF THE CRUSADERS AND JEWISH TRAITORS BEFORE WE GIVE UP THE TOMB!! 

[Dr. Dan]

Those who forget history are doomed to be done to them what had happened to his ancestors.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

The self-hating Jewish race.. What more can I say..  As of late, I have not been happy being a Jew or going to shul..  All naive brain-dead Jews talk about is their tennis club, the son's summer camp or the great cruise they are going to be taking..   My new synagogue is having Harry Potter themed Shabbat night.. woohoo..  I was going to suggest to the rabbi at my Chabad that instead we have Masada themed Shabbat night, I think it is much more appropriate for the occasion?  A group of Jewish zealots who fought to the bloody end against Roman invaders seeking to conquer our land and destroy our race.  These are the same people with a different style robe seeking to reignite the Crusades to capture Jerusalem!!
 
We should declare war on both of the old Crusaders, the Catholics and the Muslims.. Both are the enemy of the Jewish people and always will be.. My condolences to good Catholics out there who want no part of the evilness of their Catholic monarchy which has run their religion with an iron fist for generations just as the Islamists are run by their own sultans and form of monarchy, especially the Shias, who's ayatollah more or less function's as an Islamic pope.

I say EVERY LAST JEW IS DEAD AT THE HANDS OF THE CRUSADERS AND JEWISH TRAITORS BEFORE WE GIVE UP THE TOMB!! 

It could be a whole lot worse. At least the people of your shul care about relatively normal, mundane things, even if they are irrelevant to the world. A lot of shuls would only talk about negroes or sodomite marches or snivel-rights for the Fakestinians or legalizing the Aztlanist invaders. Are you totally sure that these Jews are beyond redemption? They sound like average middle-class Americans more than irredeemable leftist scum of the earth.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

This is a weird question, is there any chance that they are doing all of these evil things on purpose to cause pain to Israel, in hopes of Moshiach?

Huh?

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

Huh?

Like Iran and the 12th Imam. It was just a thought.

[muman613]

I seriously doubt that those who make these decisions have one iota of faith let alone belief in Moshiach. They are Am-Haaretzim (Dumb ignorant folk) who do everything in their power to avoid any religious obligation (even eating ham sandwiches on Yom Kippur).

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

The self-hating Jewish race.. What more can I say..  As of late, I have not been happy being a Jew or going to shul.. 
I was going to suggest to the rabbi at my Chabad that instead we have Masada themed Shabbat night, I think it is much more appropriate for the occasion?  A group of Jewish zealots who fought to the bloody end against Roman invaders seeking to conquer our land and destroy our race.  These are the same people with a different style robe seeking to reignite the Crusades to capture Jerusalem!!

 We are not a "race" and its stupid to talk like this. And if by this then to stop doing Misswath as a result an even worse thing to do.
 Masada? Naa. Its not a good example of people killing themselves. This is what the hellinists made and perhaps subconsciously want. That is their place. Our place is the Holy Temple.

[kahaneloyalist]

The self-hating Jewish race.. What more can I say..  As of late, I have not been happy being a Jew or going to shul..  All naive brain-dead Jews talk about is their tennis club, the son's summer camp or the great cruise they are going to be taking..   My new synagogue is having Harry Potter themed Shabbat night.. woohoo..  I was going to suggest to the rabbi at my Chabad that instead we have Masada themed Shabbat night, I think it is much more appropriate for the occasion?  A group of Jewish zealots who fought to the bloody end against Roman invaders seeking to conquer our land and destroy our race.  These are the same people with a different style robe seeking to reignite the Crusades to capture Jerusalem!!
 
We should declare war on both of the old Crusaders, the Catholics and the Muslims.. Both are the enemy of the Jewish people and always will be.. My condolences to good Catholics out there who want no part of the evilness of their Catholic monarchy which has run their religion with an iron fist for generations just as the Islamists are run by their own sultans and form of monarchy, especially the Shias, who's ayatollah more or less function's as an Islamic pope.

I say EVERY LAST JEW IS DEAD AT THE HANDS OF THE CRUSADERS AND JEWISH TRAITORS BEFORE WE GIVE UP THE TOMB!! 

As annoying as our brethren are remember how the galut, the exile has poisoned us, and how there are many good Jews as well. The Rebbe himself was a tireless warrior to save Eretz Yisrael from the foolishness of the Israeli government.

[muman613]

As annoying as our brethren are remember how the galut, the exile has poisoned us, and how there are many good Jews as well. The Rebbe himself was a tireless warrior to save Eretz Yisrael from the foolishness of the Israeli government.

Amen.... This is how I deal with the problem... Jews today are far from where they should be due to the long galut.. We must work doubly as hard to show them what it good and right in Judaism.

[Every Jew AK47]

We are not a "race" and its stupid to talk like this. And if by this then to stop doing Misswath as a result an even worse thing to do.
 Masada? Naa. Its not a good example of people killing themselves. This is what the hellinists made and perhaps subconsciously want. That is their place. Our place is the Holy Temple.

We are in fact the race from Yehuda and Yisrael..  Some were adopted into the race through conversion.. However, the Jewish people, we are a people, a race and a nation... It is not stupid to speak the truth of what we are...

Masada is a fine example of people willing to die for their precious land.. Sure, they were defeated, but at least they took up arms to fight, what are we doing?? We sit behind our keyboards and just rant, we are not defending our holy nation..   I don't even mean defending it from the obvious enemies, the Arabs/Catholic Crusaders..  I mean the enemy from within, our own heretics/traitors within the Knesset who have caused more grief and hardships than our enemies have..   They care only about deep pockets, not about the holiness and sacredness of Eretz Yisra'el.

I don't see how dressing up like wizards, sorcerers and magicians on Shabbat is going to help bring Moshiach to earth or help us in our struggle against our enemies or re-claiming our lost land and the holy places that are being taken from us as we speak.  SOmehow, I feel like the synagogue is becoming just a social club and the depth of our culture is shunned and dismissed.  E.g., IMO, Torah condemns witchcraft, magic , sorcery, yet here we are in G-d's holy place, that houses his Torah, embracing the forms of evil that Hashem warned us to avoid.  Of course, it's all in good fun right?

Anyhow, I never said I was a good Jew, I am an outcast to my own people, mostly..  I just call it as I see it..   One thing I Can respect about the Muslims is that they will not sit around and look the other way when their holy places are sold into the hands of their enemy.   I am sad to see that Muslims follow their twisted and barbaric religion more than we seem to follow ours, which is holy and righteous..  Muslims also will punish their enemies, traitors among themselves and will do anything necessary to win a war, even if it means killing women and children.  We Jews are too busy trying to make old Mother Europe and the Liberals Abroad happy so that we can be accepted.  Why do we keep looking for sympathy from the same people who put us in gas chambers?  I will never understand Jews, even being one, myself.

Most Jewish women don't even want to be mothers anymore..  Forcing our daughters to join the military or pursue busy careers so they either lose interest or have no time in becoming mothers is another great crime against our race/culture/nation.  The Muslims and Catholics (Crusaders) will beat us with birth rates alone..     Soon, the entire world will either be Muslim or Catholic.  Jews will be something you read about in a history book.. 

[Binyamin Yisrael]

The self-hating Jewish race.. What more can I say..  As of late, I have not been happy being a Jew or going to shul..  All naive brain-dead Jews talk about is their tennis club, the son's summer camp or the great cruise they are going to be taking..   My new synagogue is having Harry Potter themed Shabbat night.. woohoo..  I was going to suggest to the rabbi at my Chabad that instead we have Masada themed Shabbat night, I think it is much more appropriate for the occasion?  A group of Jewish zealots who fought to the bloody end against Roman invaders seeking to conquer our land and destroy our race.  These are the same people with a different style robe seeking to reignite the Crusades to capture Jerusalem!!

Is this synagogue Orthodox? I've heard discussions about whether Harry Potter should be permitted at all. It has witchcraft in it. I remember hearing over 10 years ago that there are some religious kids who read Harry Potter and pretend to make spells with their forks at the Shabbat table because their learn about making spells with wands in Harry Potter.

[Every Jew AK47]

Is this synagogue Orthodox? I've heard discussions about whether Harry Potter should be permitted at all. It has witchcraft in it. I remember hearing over 10 years ago that there are some religious kids who read Harry Potter and pretend to make spells with their forks at the Shabbat table because their learn about making spells with wands in Harry Potter.

Would you consider the Chabad , Orthodox?? I guess that question alone is up for debate..     But, the more I attend Chabad the more I realize how un-Orthodox it truly is.. At least, the ones where I live.. 

[muman613]

Would you consider the Chabad , Orthodox?? I guess that question alone is up for debate..     But, the more I attend Chabad the more I realize how un-Orthodox it truly is.. At least, the ones where I live..

Chabad is an Orthodox Jewish organization. The Rabbis of Chabad keep the commandments according to the Shuchan Aruch (which all Orthodox Jews keep)... Chabad does not insist all who attend their services to be Orthodox though, and they are open to Jews of all types.

But Chabad keeps the commandments and provides the ability for others to... I don't know what is wrong with Chabad..

[Every Jew AK47]

Chabad is an Orthodox Jewish organization. The Rabbis of Chabad keep the commandments according to the Shuchan Aruch (which all Orthodox Jews keep)... Chabad does not insist all who attend their services to be Orthodox though, and they are open to Jews of all types.

But Chabad keeps the commandments and provides the ability for others to... I don't know what is wrong with Chabad..

I cannot blame Chabad as a whole, but the Chabad I am now attending really is raising my eyebrows..  The fact that they think mixing magic, sorcery, witchcraft with the holy day of Shabbat I think is a bit disturbing..  I could expect this type of behavior at a REform shul, but considering my Chabad is having a Harry Potter themed night really makes me question if the Chabad is really a centralized movement anymore or if it has splintered itself and now is being operated independently.  The Rabbi at the Chabad is friends with all the other rabbis in the area and all the other Rabbis are aware that he seems to not have any problem incorporating witchcraft, sorcery etc into  his Kehillot that houses the holy Torah scroll.   

I say a synagogue is a holy place.. I am thinking the Rabbi is trying to entertain the very liberal population of people who attend his shul, but I have never been a fan of modifying halacha to appease the populace. 

Anyhow, it just seems in dire times like these, with our holy places being auctioned off or just given away to the Crusaders (aka Catholics/Muslims), it almost seems biblical that our sinful nature and turning away from Hashem is the reason why.  I think the fact that Jews watch evil movies like Harry Potter and then try to emulate these characters, sorcerers, witches, magificians in the Temple of Worship is only fuel to fire of Hashem's Wrath.  To me, this is Chilul Hashem.  The fact that the Chabad, of all organizations is taking part in it, just adds to the flames even more. 

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

What is this attack Chabad and Catholic day?

You might as well be an old school government controlled Catholic that uses witchcraft against Jew's.

I have never seen the movie. But anyway, technically, what is witchcraft?