So, then what? We Just sit back and wait for Hashem's Divine Judgment and do nothing to these vile murderers and destroyers of the Jewish race, who just happened to be Jewish?? How many more millions of Jews need to die before we realize perhaps the judgment to be carried out is laid on us?? Did David defeat the Phillistines by waiting for Hashem to win the battle for him? If Solomon did not execute the traitor , Adoniahu, would he not have had his kingdom stolen from him??
So sick of this guy, honestly. No, liar, we don't do nothing, and nobody proposed doing that. We make a Jewish state so that we can help the ones who can be and punish those who betray us.
You're not Solomon. After all this, he really has the arrogance to pretend like he's righteous, and if he kills all the Jews he thinks are bad, we won't be punished.
Just sit and wait it out, eh? Had, Am Yisrael followed your advice, we would not have an Israel today.. I know Neturei Karta is very big on this type of thinking. I know you are not aligned with them and shun them.. However, I think you are being a bit naive and involuntarily supporting the type of theology that support the core of people like Neturei Karta who think even creating the Nation of Israel goes against Torah, because we had no place in creating a nation before the coming of Moshiach, we were suppose to sit back and wait. For example, any time any crime is committed in Israel, is not against Torah then to have a secular court , composed of Jews, bring judgment against them? Simply, something as simple as stealing a watch , how could it be possible to administer justice against a Jewish criminal without a Sanhedrin?
What advice? Wtf. I swear I haven't wasted time this pathetically in a while. I'm going to work tomorrow, if only to regain the massive loss of IQ I've endured from this astronomical facepalm bait. If we followed your advice, there would be no state of Israel, because a lot of the people who got it running were secular, and they'd all be dead.
Are you saying this woman who is holding her Naqba did not actually marry and sleep with the Muslim guy and is really secretly trying to save the Jewish people , loves Ashkenazi and has a plan to overthrow the Sudanese Muslims?
Seriously, Muman, I cannot even begin to understand your comparing of QUeen Esther, a holy and righteous woman with this vile witch.. But, if she is some type of secret hero, well, shame on me!!!!
I can see generations of ancestors spirit facepalming simultaneously.
Relax.. I know you support Israel.. I was just trying to understand the concept you are discussing. I get very weary when people mention that certain actions, judgments , etc an only be done with the coming of Moshiach.
I guess I am confused as what you mean by the secular court is not capable of true Torah justice. I understand the concept and know that nothing can compare with the true justice of Torah and Sanhedrin.. However, I am glad to hear where you stand on dealth penalty and that you are not against secular courts operating in the land of Israel, administering justice. I have met some Jews who I would say are "off the deep end" who have told me that Jews cannot be judged or undergo any type of punishment by other Jews because there is no Sanhedrin. Their argument, somewhat nullifies the operation of a functional Israeli State, wouldn't you agree?
I suppose aiding and abetting the enemy, however, in your eyes, cannot be punished until MOshiach comes, even though stabbing and murdering in cold-blood is permissible for the death penalty?
The government aids and abets the enemy. You may have to put a dog down if it was trained to kill, but best to make it normal again, and put it somewhere where it can live normally. Jews are worth more than dogs.
Wanting to make Israel Jewish doesn't undermine the existence of Israel.
Indeed Muman, I feel bad for my harsh words for you.. You have always been an inspiration to me here with your explanations and teaching of Jewish Law.
This has been a hard time for me on top of everything else. I deal with so many self-hating Jews and Jewish traitors on a daily basis, I suppose I feel like I am losing my sanity dealing with them all the time. How many Jews do I meet around here, who keep crying for the ill-treatment of the innocent Palestinians? My own uncle was a communist who hated Israel and loved the Arabs. Hashem did strike him dead, I am sad to say. I'd rather he'd made teshuva, of course..
I guess after reading this post by Chaim about a woman marrying Muslim cursing her Ashkenazi people just made me go crazy.. I have lost my sympathy for people who hate their own race. As a matter of fact, I have gotten to depise and loathe self-hating Jews more than even the people who call, themselves , my enemy. I met some Egyptian guys not long ago, who seem to support Israel more than most liberal Jews I have met around here do.
Well I don't trust twice, but glad to see this chilul Hashem is over between you two.
I too have done many bad things and had a very bad life when I was younger.. Your story is inspirational and I would say I made teshuva later in life after living a as pagan for many years who was raised by atheist/agnostic Ashkenazi Jewish parents.
I am a person who believes in forgiveness and I would never quickly advocate for the killing of one of our people.. Every Jewish soul is precious to Hashem. IF the person is a prostitute, drug addict, adulterer, thief, swindler, whatever. As I spoke about my cousin Elisa Hanna who was a drugged out biker chick who later became a very religious Ultra Orthodox Chassid and moved to Brooklyn wiht her husband. She is now the proud mother of 12+ children. Nobody knows exactly how many she has, but she has a lot of them. My parents told me they never saw her not pregnant once! Anyhow, I know her story is miraculous and if she can be blessed with the life she has now, why not many others who are in such dire situations?
However, I do draw a line.. I believe that until a person makes teshuva they are in deep water and need to get out of it before they sink. And, if they become more and more evil and hardened in their heart they are at risk of doing something that is worthy of punishment, not only by Hashem directly, but also through man. For example, if somebody becomes a murderer or rapist, genocidal, etc.
I hate to say, one thing I can never accept is a person, whose actions cause another Jew to go astray. For example, this woman here is trying to bring about the destruction of the Jewish race. Telling Jewish women it is good to marry Muslims and trying to make war with the Ashkenazim . She is cancer and if cancer is not stopped, what does it do?
That wasn't an actual question at the end there, but yes, just like someone who makes baalei teshuva is spared from gehinom guaranteed, and receives more reward than any other mizvah, I'll spare the details and say that Jews who make other Jews not religious, the opposite happens. She isn't getting people off the derech, though, she's addressing an already-sick audience to do further sins. She has cancer, she isn't one, she's the tumor around it that makes it obvious that there is a cancer in Israeli society.
Thanks for sharing this information.. It has been something I have been trying to understand, as some Jews, usually Orthodox, I have met tell me the craziest things, because we don't have a Sanhedrin established.
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