JTF member meeting in Queens College.

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

Tzvi Ben Roshel, you are lucky to have gone to a Sephardic Yeshiva.  Do me a favor and never step into an Ashkenazic one like I did since the stuff I wrote takes place in many Ashkenazi ones.  The Sephardim are straighter and have less of this problem although it still exists.  The Ashkenazi Litvish one I went to.... don't ask. 

actually It wasnt Sefardic. allmost all of the teachers were Askenazi, but since many Jews were Bukharian (some Israeli and persians too), in Halachot classes we asked to learn the Sefardi ways of doing things. It wasnt a strict Yeshiva, most of the people their (including myself) went to public school prior to that.
 Even though I learned a lot over the years in that school, the majority of things I learned independetly either alone or with different friends. If anyone knows me, I am a Kahanists(meaning I do agree with the teachings of the Rav), but what I dont agree with is just bashing and belittling whole Jewish (expecially Religious) communities.  

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Dominater and Tzvi, I have yet to see scriptural proof that it is a sin to attack religious leaders even if they are Erev Rav.

Show me some verses and we will talk. Otherwise DWI and myself will be ignoring everything you have to say from here on out, in any thread.

[DownwithIslam]

Chaimfan, I will absolutely ignore these two from here on out unless they say something outright disingenuous. It's so funny how dominator has chimed in in defense of his cohort and in attack of kahanist jewry and righteous gentiles. Lets not forget that dominator referred to gentiles as "goyim" a little while back.

[Dominater96]

Okay...

DownwithIslam, I completely side with you here, but please calm down a bit. I don't want to see you get in trouble. I don't know that I agree that EVERY single Hasidic Jew is evil, but I believe that evil Jews should be treated exactly how they deserve.

Tzvi,

I confronted you and had every right to. You and your friend Dominater, on the other hand, had no right whatsoever to threaten members with hell for criticizing Shas leaders/rabbis. Even Thunderbolt (who is a VERY left-wing member) complained about this to Chaim and Chaim completely took his side. I guarantee you that calling Chaim (who IS a devout, religious Torah-abiding Jew) a "degenerate" IS a hilul Hashem, but the notion that the Bible forbids attacking evil Jews (or evil Christians or any evil person) is idolatrous nonsense.

If you really believe that Shas leaders are infallible and can never be scrutinized in any way, then you are deifying them and committing the bestial sin of idol-worship, and I have nothing left to add.

The Bible COMMANDS us to expose and shame wicked leaders who operate under the cover of religion. You and Dominater love to throw around what Torah does and does not forbid but yet we have yet to be shown any Bible or Talmudic verse saying that no Jew shall ever be held to task for his or her sins. The Shas party has literally sold large chunks of Israel. Its leaders live in the lap of the greatest luxury imaginable but hundreds of thousands of their Sephardic followers are hungry and unemployed (Arabs, who Shas philosophers consider to be righteous people, took their jobs). I would not be surprised if Shas is on the payroll of the Saudi sheiks or Ahmadinejad considering the stuff they constantly come up with and brainwash their followers with.

You are right, the TORAH commands us to expose wicked leaders. Who in Shas is a wicked leader? Shas does not consider Arabs righteous people. And again with you to the extreme, saying Shas has saudis and ahmadinejad on their payrolls.

[jdl4ever]

No one attacked all the religious Jews or religious communities.  We were attacking the evil people and inadvertent sinners they corrupt in these communities; and they are not a small insignificant percentage. 

For example, around 98% of Jews are not religious, so would it be wrong for me in saying that most of Jews are sinners?  Of course not.  Come on here, the cold hard truth is the truth.

[Dominater96]

Chaimfan, I will absolutely ignore these two from here on out unless they say something outright disingenuous. It's so funny how dominator has chimed in in defense of his cohort and in attack of kahanist jewry and righteous gentiles. Lets not forget that dominator referred to gentiles as "goyim" a little while back.

Yes I did call gentiles goyim, whats the problem with that ?

[DownwithIslam]

OK these two are proving all my points. And ovadia pimp yosef is evil. For a man to throw chaim ben pesach the hell out of Israel on the same day he met with arafat is all we need to know. Dominator, Chaim ben pesach is a degenerate but ovadia isn't? What are you?

[Dexter]

Tzvi, Dont listen to DownwithIslam, he is just an anti religous man, who hates the rabbis, calls Hacham Ovadia Yosef a pimp, and all such names, he is a person who hates religous men. He said "most chassidim, and Litvaks are scum". And Tzvi, Daily halacha is Harav ELi Mansour? I hear him speak in brooklyn for seudah shlishi on shabbat. He has a daf yomi site, and i think a mishna berura website, PM me for them.

It isn't ligical that DownwithIslam "is just an anti religous man" because kahanism is a religous ideology that admire one kind of religous people wich is the National religous, and don't really like the anti-zionist/separatist ideology of the chassidim and charedim unless they aren't from the mainstreem of the chasidic ideology that, for exemple supported Kahane. Another problem is that they bearly working for thamselvs, the wife working for tham, is that logical ? is that how judaism was in the past ? of course not, every jew worked, only in Israel some jews need to work for other jews that even don't serve, or serve only for 4 monthes in the IDF that defending tham while they are in the Yeshiva, while other jews, the National religous are at the yeshiva, working AND serving the IDF, those are the elite of the elite in my opinion .

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

Dominater and Tzvi, I have yet to see scriptural proof that it is a sin to attack religious leaders even if they are Erev Rav.

Show me some verses and we will talk. Otherwise DWI and myself will be ignoring everything you have to say from here on out, in any thread.

I (personally) wasnt defending shas, I was pointing to the fact that Jewish communities were attacked on the forum.

[DownwithIslam]

yes the only jews who were attacked is me and chaimfan by you and chaim be pesach being called a degenerate. Gentiles were insulted also. If whole groups need to be attacked they will be. I was attacking evil and will continue to do so.

[Dominater96]

OK these two are proving all my points. And ovadia pimp yosef is evil. For a man to throw chaim ben pesach the hell out of Israel on the same day he met with arafat is all we need to know. Dominator, Chaim ben pesach is a degenerate but ovadia isn't? What are you?

Are you even comparing hacham Ovadia to CBP, they arent even in the same league. And again Viewers of this post look at what this man calls the former chief rabbi, "evil", "pimp". And I dont think Rabbi Yosef had anything to do with kicking CBP out of Israel. I know that alot of JTFers think that Chaim is up there with the President but face it, he isnt so "infamous" in Israel, that they would consult the leaders of Israel about him. I respect Chaim as a great man who did good work in the JDL. But Ive spoken to former JDL leaders and they have all said that CHaim, wasnt that significant in JDL, and when he was, it wasnt as big as he claimed.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Chaimfan, I will absolutely ignore these two from here on out unless they say something outright disingenuous. It's so funny how dominator has chimed in in defense of his cohort and in attack of kahanist jewry and righteous gentiles. Lets not forget that dominator referred to gentiles as "goyim" a little while back.

Yes I did call gentiles goyim, whats the problem with that ?

Dominater, you are a racist--you are a Jewish Klansman just like that fraud David Haivri you worship (the Jewish David Duke). You probably light burning Stars of David on Gentiles' lawns.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

"But Ive spoken to former JDL leaders and they have all said that CHaim, wasnt that significant in JDL, and when he was, it wasnt as big as he claimed."

Dominater, nobody cares about your intimate contacts with David Haomo. Save it for your Bnei Elim friends.

[Lisa]

I know that alot of JTFers think that Chaim is up there with the President but face it, he isnt so "infamous" in Israel, that they would consult the leaders of Israel about him. I respect Chaim as a great man who did good work in the JDL. But Ive spoken to former JDL leaders and they have all said that CHaim, wasnt that significant in JDL, and when he was, it wasnt as big as he claimed.

Dominater, this is Chaim Ben Pesach's forum.  He pays the hosting fees, so I think you need to be a bit more respectful. 

Chaimfan, the word goy or goyim just means nations other than Israel.  It's not derogatory at all. 

[Dexter]

Dominater96-
At the bottom line, Ovadia himself decide every move of Shas, that includes expelling Chaim, supporting Oslo agreement, supporting anti-jewish goverments etc', the only diffrent between Ovadia and bailin is that Ovadia is religous and understand the torah, but only in some issues, so that's my messege too Ovadia Yosef : Stay out of politics !

[Dominater96]

David Haivri isnt a "rasha" or the evil David Duke like you claimI dont agree with him on many things either. And Haivri wasnt a leader of JDL. I was talking abot people who were the head of JDL in thier times.

[DownwithIslam]

OK these two are proving all my points. And ovadia pimp yosef is evil. For a man to throw chaim ben pesach the hell out of Israel on the same day he met with arafat is all we need to know. Dominator, Chaim ben pesach is a degenerate but ovadia isn't? What are you?

Are you even comparing hacham Ovadia to CBP, they arent even in the same league. And again Viewers of this post look at what this man calls the former chief rabbi, "evil", "pimp". And I dont think Rabbi Yosef had anything to do with kicking CBP out of Israel. I know that alot of JTFers think that Chaim is up there with the President but face it, he isnt so "infamous" in Israel, that they would consult the leaders of Israel about him. I respect Chaim as a great man who did good work in the JDL. But Ive spoken to former JDL leaders and they have all said that CHaim, wasnt that significant in JDL, and when he was, it wasnt as big as he claimed.

Wow, he is sticking up for shas over Chaim Ben Pesach who has risked his life over and over and over again sitting in Prison for so much of his life only because of his live for his fellow jews. How dare you question this hero. His reward will be so much greater than that piece of garbage ovadia yosef who sits in comfort in Israel collecting from Israeli taxpayers and giving jews a bad name. The fact that you questioned Chaim role in JTF means that you are the most vile Islamic scum of the earth. Chaim be pesach sitting in jail being threated by shvartza muslims is not a big enough role in jdl for you? I hate you and you are not a religious jew. You are prob looking at homosexual porn while you slander the jewish hero and giant chaim ben pesach. I dont care that you insult me but I will not tolerate a man who sat in jail and has given up his life unable to get married only because he wanted to save jewish lives. I hate you dominator and I hope god strikes you down.

[DownwithIslam]

Lisa, he used the word goyim in a derogatory way. He thought it was derogatory when he used it. Besides look at his recent posts and you can see what he means.

[DownwithIslam]

Chaim Ben Pesach is far greater and has sacrificed more for jews than some stupid rabbi yosef who wears fancy clothes.

[Dominater96]

I do respect CBP. and Ovadia Yosef didnt decide to expel Chaim, your G-d.

OK these two are proving all my points. And ovadia pimp yosef is evil. For a man to throw chaim ben pesach the hell out of Israel on the same day he met with arafat is all we need to know. Dominator, Chaim ben pesach is a degenerate but ovadia isn't? What are you?

Are you even comparing hacham Ovadia to CBP, they arent even in the same league. And again Viewers of this post look at what this man calls the former chief rabbi, "evil", "pimp". And I dont think Rabbi Yosef had anything to do with kicking CBP out of Israel. I know that alot of JTFers think that Chaim is up there with the President but face it, he isnt so "infamous" in Israel, that they would consult the leaders of Israel about him. I respect Chaim as a great man who did good work in the JDL. But Ive spoken to former JDL leaders and they have all said that CHaim, wasnt that significant in JDL, and when he was, it wasnt as big as he claimed.

Wow, he is sticking up for shas over Chaim Ben Pesach who has risked his life over and over and over again sitting in Prison for so much of his life only because of his live for his fellow jews. How dare you question this hero. His reward will be so much greater than that piece of garbage ovadia yosef who sits in comfort in Israel collecting from Israeli taxpayers and giving jews a bad name. The fact that you questioned Chaim role in JTF means that you are the most vile Islamic scum of the earth. Chaim be pesach sitting in jail being threated by shvartza muslims is not a big enough role in jdl for you? I hate you and you are not a religious jew. You are prob looking at homosexual porn while you slander the jewish hero and giant chaim ben pesach. I dont care that you insult me but I will not tolerate a man who sat in jail and has given up his life unable to get married only because he wanted to save jewish lives. I hate you dominator and I hope G-d strikes you down.

You are a sick sick person. All you think about is homosexuality. I didnt say he wasnt big  in JDL but he wasnt what people make him out to be. And again hacham Ovadia being called garbage.

[Dexter]

hacham ?
Dominater96-Answer my posts !

[jdl4ever]

My take on this:

David Haivri = evil, informer, nutcase
Ovadia Yosef = no comment ... let his dismal record speak for itself but I'm not calling him any names in public

[Dominater96]

Chaim Ben Pesach is far greater and has sacrificed more for jews than some stupid rabbi yosef who wears fancy clothes.

MODERATORS!!!!!! THIS IS A JEWISH FORUM??? The chief Rabbi of Israel being called stupid??? This is tolerated? And you have been brainwashed so much. You cant even compare THis holy giant to CBP. And those clothes are the clothing that the rishon L'tzion wears. It is a sephardic custom, stop insulting it.

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

my take-

Rav Ovadia- no real opinion.
Chaim- Hero.
some of the hot heads here- need to change their attitude towards religious Jews. Slandering entire Jewish communites is a very great sin which is very hard to completly rectify- will you go to each individual asking them for forgivness for making a false negative stereotype against them?

 

[jdl4ever]

I already said before and Chaim agreed in ask jtf to not call R' Ovadia Yosef names so don't call him pimp and stuff like that, just argue with what he says, no personal attacks.  I saw him once and thought the outfit was cool.