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Video Study for Parsha Korach : Beyond Revolting
« on: June 19, 2014, 03:09:01 AM »
Shalom JTF Readers,

I apologize for the late posting because I usually want to start studying when I get home from work on Wednesday. But often my friend wants to come by and socialize (watch FOX news, PJTV, and other current events)... Anyway, I want to start this thread so let it begin...


This week we are reading another parsha which makes us cringe. How could Korach inspire another rebellion against Moshe and Hashem? How could it happen on the heels of the events of the spies (did it really happen in this order?) and how could Korach who, once again, was a wise and powerful Jew who was already given a special job in the carrying of the Mishkan's vessels. Why would he risk everything to 'butt heads' with Moshe who everyone witnessed caused the sea to split?

Once again we learn that human beings can make basic errors in judgment because of emotional and arrogant inclinations. We learned some of the reasons the spies came back with a negative report last week, and this week once again we see the folly of arrogant behavior, the craving of power even when one has power.

Korach's arrogance inspired 250 more distinguished men to challenge Aaron HaKohen to a battle of incense, where only one would walk out alive... What made these fools so foolish? Dare we consider them fools considering how they were from the generation of the 'desert' the generation of 'Daat/Knowledge'?


From Chabad's 'Parsha in a Nutshell':

http://www.chabad.org/parshah/article_cdo/aid/2958/jewish/Korach-in-a-Nutshell.htm

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Korach incites a mutiny challenging Moses’ leadership and the granting of the kehunah (priesthood) to Aaron. He is accompanied by Moses’ inveterate foes, Dathan and Abiram. Joining them are 250 distinguished members of the community, who offer the sacrosanct ketoret (incense) to prove their worthiness for the priesthood. The earth opens up and swallows the mutineers, and a fire consumes the ketoret-offerers.

A subsequent plague is stopped by Aaron’s offering of ketoret. Aaron’s staff miraculously blossoms and brings forth almonds, to prove that his designation as high priest is divinely ordained.

G‑d commands that a terumah (“uplifting”) from each crop of grain, wine and oil, as well as all firstborn sheep and cattle, and other specified gifts, be given to the kohanim (priests).


Rabbi Richman of the Temple Institute delivers a relatively short dvar Torah on Korah which he uploaded today.


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Re: Video Study for Parsha Korach : Beyond Revolting
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2014, 03:17:42 AM »
Let us see what Rabbi Levi Chazen has to say in his shnazzy style...

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« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2014, 03:30:14 AM »
The warm and kind rabbi from Jerusalem, Rabbi Machlis presents Parsha HaShavuah... Korach.

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« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2014, 07:55:51 PM »
Rabbi Shafier of 'The Shmuz' gives a short dvar Torah on this weeks portion.

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2014, 08:01:54 PM »
Last year Rabbi Richman went into a little more detail about the story of Korah...

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« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2014, 10:09:36 PM »
http://www.torah.org/learning/ravfrand/5774/korach.html


The Power of Prayer

Moshe Rabbeinu and Aharon were challenged by Korach and his followers. Moshe set up a test to determine who was the Divinely chosen High Priest authorized to do Hashem's service in the Mishkan. Moshe challenged Korach and his 250 followers to compete with Aharon in eliciting Divine response to their individual Ketores offerings before Hashem. However, before suggesting this competition, Moshe Rabbeinu first prayed to Hashem that He not accept the Ketores offerings of Korach and his followers: "...Do not turn to their gift offering..." [Bamidbar 16:15].

The Ramban adds that Moshe did not only pray that the Ketores offering of this group not be accepted, he also prayed that even their prayers and supplications should be ignored.

We can really wonder – was that really necessary? Was it really important for Moshe Rabbeinu to beseech the Almighty NOT to listen to their prayers? Would we assume that had they in fact prayed to Hashem to support them in their rebellion against Moshe and Aharon that G-d would have listened to their prayers?

After all, this was already a "done deal" from the original six days of creation. The Mishna states [Avos 5:6] that the "mouth of the earth" destined to swallow up Korach and his followers was one of ten items created at dusk on the first Erev Shabbos of Creation. This thing was "in the bag" from time immemorial. There was no way that they were going to win their argument with Moshe and Aharon. So why in the world did Moshe need to pray to the Almighty "Don't listen to their prayers"?

Rav Simcha Zissel of Kelm says we see from over here that we should never underestimate the power of prayer no matter who it comes from. This is an idea we have stressed many times over the years. In spite of the fact that creation was pre-programmed to have "a mouth" ready to swallow Korach and his followers, the prayers of these people – had they been sincere – could have been effective. Such is the power of prayer that even when offered by people who are wicked, when the prayers flow sincerely from the depths of their soul, they have power. Knowing that, Moshe Rabbeinu felt compelled to daven: "Don't listen to their prayers!"

The same concept is seen even more dramatically from a famous Mishna in Tractate Makkos [2:6]. The Talmud teaches that one who killed unintentionally must confine himself to the City of Refuge until the Kohen Gadol dies. We thus can imagine that we would have the entire community of the City of Refuge praying on a daily basis that the Kohen Gadol should drop dead. Only in that way would all the unintentional killers residing there be able to achieve their freedom. In order to prevent such prayers, the Mishna teaches that the mothers of the High Priests used to prepare packages of goodies – food and clothing -- for these murderers so that they have mercy on them and their sons and not pray that the High Priest should die.

The Gemara there asks, "So what if we have a full community of murderers getting up every day and cursing the Kohen Gadol? Why should such an unjustified prayer be accepted?" The Talmud Bavli gives one answer. However the Talmud Yerushalmi gives a different answer. The Yerushalmi distinguishes between a curse and a prayer. A worthless curse will not be effective; however a sincere prayer is not to be dismissed. Even a Tefilla from a murderer against a High Priest can be effective. Such is the power of prayer.

With this approach, Rav Meir Bergman, answers a question we discussed recently. The Talmud [Brachos 10a] relates that a group of gangsters was harassing Rav Meir and he prayed that they should die. Rav Meir's wife, Beruria, advised him that rather than pray that they die, he should instead pray that they repent and not hassle him anymore. The Talmud concludes that he prayed that they repent and in fact they did repent.

The Maharsha asks a fundamental question on this Gemara. How could Rav Meir pray that someone else repent? Teshuva is dependent on a person's free will (Bechira Chofshis)! It is dependent totally on a person's own initiative such that prayers for Divine intervention to bring about Teshuva should be completely inapplicable. Various answers have been given to this question. Rav Bergman shares an amazing idea: Tefilla trumps Bechira. Prayer wins out over the principle of Freedom of Choice. The power of prayer is so strong that in spite of the fact that most of the time, the world operates on the principle of Bechira Chofshis, Tefilla is such a force that it can even overwhelm the concept of Free Choice.

With this premise, Rav Bergman explains a famous Gemara [Moed Katan 18b]. The Gemara says that a person is allowed to become engaged to a woman even during the Nine Days, when we are supposed to restrict joyous celebrations. The Talmud justifies this leniency by citing the fear "lest someone else get engaged to her first." The Talmud then questions this fear based on the well-established principle of 'basherte': The Talmud teaches that "forty days before the formation of an embryo, a Heavenly Voice goes forth and proclaims, 'the daughter of so and so will be married to so and so'." In other words, it is predestined who a person is going to marry. So how is it possible if I am destined to become married to such and such a girl that someone else will be able to beat me to the punch and get engaged to her first? The Talmud answers "Lest someone else get engaged to her first through mercy (b'Rachamim)". In other words, the other person will daven and his prayers will be answered and they will overturn the Heavenly Decree that had predetermined this girl was destined for someone else!

This is the same idea as expressed above. The power of prayer can work against a Tzadik! The power of prayer can work to overwhelm something that was preprogrammed from the Six Days of Creation! The power of prayer can work against Bechira Chofshis! The power of prayer can work against 'basherte'! Such is the power of sincere prayer.

Why Did Elazar Get The Assignment Of Making The Fire Pan Memorial?

The challenge of Korach and his followers to the choice of Aharon as High Priest ended in disaster. The Ketores offering competition culminated with a fire that came out from Heaven consuming the 250 individuals who were challenging Aharon's designation as Kohen Gadol [Bamidbar 16:35].

What happened to their fire pans? G-d told Moshe to command Elazar, son of Aharon the Kohen, to take the fire pans and make them into thinned-out sheets as a covering for the Altar. The Me'am Loez asks why it was specifically Elazar who was given this task. After all, the challenge was to the Kehunah of Aharon. The logical thing would have been to have Aharon himself -- who emerged victorious in this struggle with the 250 challengers -- take the fire pans and make the appropriate adornment for the Altar. Why was Elazar given this job?

The Me'am Loez quotes a commentary called Kesef Mezukak, who makes a very sensitive observation here: Had Aharon been given this comm andment, the first thing that would have come to mind when he picked up the burnt fire pans was that his two eldest sons – Nadav and Avihu – also tragically died in a very similar fashion, when they offered the Ketores on a fire pan. He might be troubled by the dichotomy. Why was it that their fire pans were not used to become part of the Beis HaMikdash? Why was a memorial being created for future generations with the fire pans of these wicked men and no such memorial was created with the fire pans of his sons?

The answer is that the fire pans of Nadav and Avihu were totally sinful. They were not commanded at all to offer Ketores ("...and they offered before Hashem a foreign fire that He did not command them" [Vayikra 10:1]). In the case of the fire pans of the 250 supporters of Korach, they were at least commanded by G-d to bring them (as a means of being able to Divinely designate the true Kohen Gadol).

Aharon would have had to relive the entire pain of what happened to his sons and be reminded that his sons acted totally without Divine license to offer the Ketores and consequently their fire pans were discarded. To save Aharon that pain, G-d said "Let Elazar do this, rather than Aharon." Such is the sensitivity of the Ribono shel Olam.
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Re: Video Study for Parsha Korach : Beyond Revolting
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2014, 12:36:56 AM »
Rabbi Avraham Gaon from Yeshiva EtZion in Queens talks about our portion.

http://yeshivaetzion.com



Rabbi Avraham Gaon - Rosh HaYeshiva

Rabbi Gaon learned for many years under the guidance of great Rabbanim both in Eretz Yisrael and the United States. For eight years he learned in Kollel Mekor Haim and was a Talmid Muvhak of HaGaon HaRav Eliyahu Ben Haim Shlita and HaGaon HaRav Naftali Gan Zvi Shlita. He received his Semicha from Rav Ben Haim Shlita and from the Rishon Le Tzion HaRav Mordechai Eliyahu Shlita. Rav Gaon served as the Menahel of Kollel Mekor Haim . Most recently he was a Mashgiach Ruchani and a Magid Shiur for six years working with college age Bachurim. He served as a member of the Sefardic Beit Din of Queens for many years.
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« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2014, 12:50:27 AM »
Baruch Hashem, May his name be glorified and maginfied, I knew what I was made to do in my life at the age of 14. I knew I was going to be a software engineer at that age (year 1979). I had an irresistible desire to build electronic devices (at a summer camp my mother sent me to) which led me to building computer components which led me to software engineering.

In the end I blossomed in the computer field and while it was a dream when I was 14, I currently work in 'Silicon Valley' working on advanced embedded software systems.

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« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2014, 12:57:10 AM »
Rabbi Nagen from Otniel expounds on a pasuk in Pirkie Avot concerning the 'Machloket for the sake of heaven'...


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« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2014, 01:15:33 AM »
Rabbi Trugman of BeThereIsrael and a student of Rabbi Ginsburg gives a short talk on the Chassidic ideas on Korach.

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« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2014, 01:32:03 AM »
I think Rabbi Chaim Miller is great... Here he talks about the Chassidic thoughts about Korah (will he talk about gilgul, probably...)...

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« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2014, 01:43:52 AM »
Rabbi Herschel Finman's short and sweet YouParshas, from the most recent to the most ancient.





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« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2014, 01:44:47 AM »
Who got Korach's money, and how did he get all that money if he was just a slave? Did he borrow alot or know the best people to borrow from?
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« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2014, 01:59:12 AM »
Shalom LKZ,

I believe a couple of the rabbis discussed where he got the money. They claim he found a secret stash of money which Joseph (son of Jacob) stashed away while he was viceroy of Egypt.


I believe Korachs sons survived and were righteous Jews. Even though the sons originally joined their father, before the earth opened up and swallowed the evil congregation they both did a complete Teshuva and merited being saved from that fate. The sons of Korach are reputed to have written one of the psalms in Tehillim..


Here is Rabbi Spalters discussion which he just posted 4 days ago...



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« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2014, 02:01:22 AM »
From Aish.com @ http://www.aish.com/tp/i/moha/Rebellion.html

THE SONS OF KORACH

Perhaps we can answer this question by noting a peculiarity about Korach. Despite his ability to gather support from various sections of the population, in his own home he was unsuccessful. The Torah reports in the next census:

And the sons of Korach did not die. (Numbers 26:11)

Apparently, the sons of Korach did not follow their father, nor his teachings. They carried the Ark with dignity. Psalms 42,44-49,84-85,87-88 are all attributed to the descendent of Korach. The Midrash teaches that one of the most famous prophets, Samuel, was also a descendent:

He (Korach) should not say: being that Samuel is destined to descend from me I shall be saved. (Bamidbar Rabbah 18:15)

Perhaps Korach believed that he was superior to Moses, after all who were Moses' descendants? The Torah and Midrash do not speak much about Moses' progeny. Korach on the other hand, perhaps thought himself worthy to lead now, because of his descendants who would emerge in the future.

Furthermore, as noted above, the sons of Korach were surely superior individuals as evidenced by their refusal to follow their father, and by being content in their holy mission of carrying the Ark.

Korach must have known of their greatness, but in his twisted way, he transformed their saintliness into a justification to rebel. His children, of course, withstood the arguments of their father and remained dedicated to Moses, Aaron and God. This insight may allow us to appreciate the argument which Korach used:

'For all the community is holy and God is in their midst.'

This is a true statement. Rashi suggested that he was referring to the moment when the entire community stood at Sinai. Rav Tzaddok HaKohen from Lublin suggested a different understanding of Rashi. While Rashi is pointing to the past, Rav Tzaddok understands that this is a reference to the future. The Jews are truly a holy nation, and God is among us, but the holiness of the people and the manifestation of God in the community will grow exponentially when the Jews accomplish their collective mission. When Korach speaks of Mount Sinai and revelation, he sees the community in idyllic terms. For Korach the future is now -- God is among all of us.

But his conclusion also had the following implication -- if the future shall be considered, then his descendants are clearly more significant than those of Moses. It is his descendants who will carry the Ark, be the messengers and prophets of God. It is therefore appropriate for him, not Moses or Aaron to lead.

Of course this mistake was tragic. Instead of glory, Korach found despair and enmity.
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« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2014, 02:03:54 AM »
The answer to your first question regarding where he got the money...


Our Sages Say
And all their goods (16:32)

Rabbi Levi said: The keys to Korach's treasure houses were a load for three hundred white mules, though all the keys and locks were of leather.

Rabbi Chama son of Rabbi Chanina said: Three treasures did Joseph hide in Egypt: one was discovered by Korach; one by Antoninus the son of Severus, and the third is stored away for the righteous in the World to Come.

(Midrash)

And they, and all that was theirs, descended into the abyss (16:33)

Rabbi Berechia said in the name of Rabbi Chelbo: even their names flew off all written documents. Rabbi Yossei bar Chanina said: Even a needle of theirs on loan in the hands of another man, was swallowed up with them.

(Jerusalem Talmud)
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« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2014, 02:08:15 AM »
Let me clear up something which I did not mention in my previous responses.

Korachs wealth was swallowed into the earth along with Korach. His sons survived and were righteous Jews even without the wealth...
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« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2014, 02:56:13 AM »
Let me clear up something which I did not mention in my previous responses.

Korachs wealth was swallowed into the earth along with Korach. His sons survived and were righteous Jews even without the wealth...

Where precisely was the spot where that wealth was swallowed up?
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« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2014, 03:20:09 AM »
Where precisely was the spot where that wealth was swallowed up?

Very practical and good question...

I wish we knew..


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The earth opened its mouth and swallowed them and their households, and all the people who were with Korach, and their entire wealth. They and all that was theirs descended alive to the pit; the earth covered them over and they were lost from among the congregation. (Bamidbar 16:32-33),
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Re: Video Study for Parsha Korach : Beyond Revolting
« Reply #19 on: June 20, 2014, 03:25:29 AM »
Pirkie Avot 5:8
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"Ten things were created on the Sabbath eve at twilight. They are: the mouth of the earth [which swallowed Korach and his co-conspirators] (Numbers 16:32), the mouth of the well [which accompanied Israel in the desert], the mouth of the donkey [which rebuked Balaam] (ibid., 22:28), the rainbow, the Manna, the staff [of Moses], the shamir worm, the script [of the Torah], the inscription [on the Tablets of the Ten Commandments], and the Tablets. Some say: also destructive spirits, the burial place of Moses, and the ram of our father Abraham [which he slaughtered in place of Isaac] (Genesis 22:13). And some say, also tongs -- which are made with tongs."

http://www.torah.org/learning/pirkei-avos/chapter5-8a.html

http://www.torah.org/learning/pirkei-avos/chapter5-8b.html
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Re: Video Study for Parsha Korach : Beyond Revolting
« Reply #20 on: June 20, 2014, 01:34:53 PM »
Shalom LKZ,

I believe a couple of the rabbis discussed where he got the money. They claim he found a secret stash of money which Joseph (son of Jacob) stashed away while he was viceroy of Egypt.


I believe Korachs sons survived and were righteous Jews. Even though the sons originally joined their father, before the earth opened up and swallowed the evil congregation they both did a complete Teshuva and merited being saved from that fate. The sons of Korach are reputed to have written one of the psalms in Tehillim..


Here is Rabbi Spalters discussion which he just posted 4 days ago...



Yeah that's the type of stuff they were saying. We don't connect to Hashem through Moshe. That's against Rambam's principles of faith. It's listed as a permissible form of idolatry for goyim in laws of kings, and Jews are killed for it. Moshe was the best prophet, but we're not connecting through him, the Rebbe wasn't Moshe, and we don't connect to Hashem through either in the first place.
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Re: Video Study for Parsha Korach : Beyond Revolting
« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2014, 03:36:19 PM »
The concept of a Tzadik is a valid Jewish belief. It is not making a Rabbi into Moses, but it is based on the principles of how the Jewish people need a leader. The leader must be learned, wise, and empathetic to all the Jewish people... Moses fit this description and so too many of the Chassidic Rebbes (and non Chassidic rabbis for that matter) and this is why we have the idea of Tzadik.

I find nothing wrong with what Rabbi Spalter said in that video. He did not say the Rebbe was Moshiach, nor did he say he was Moses. But he pointed out that Moses did pray for the people, was a leader who was humble and yet also great beyond words. The Talmud says we must make for ourselves a Rabbi (meaning to put our trust in a righteous Tzadik) and to learn Torah through him.

So if this is what you have trouble with concerning Chassidus, I think you will eventually come to understand what it being said without immediately thinking they are saying the Rebbe is equal to Moses, or that the Rebbe was moshiach, or any of that nonsense.

It is human nature to seek a good role model. The Tzadik should be that role model. We should be able to have a Rabbi we trust with our personal issues, to provide a different perspective (infused with wisdom learned from Jewish sources).

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: Video Study for Parsha Korach : Beyond Revolting
« Reply #22 on: June 20, 2014, 03:41:31 PM »
See this discussion of how Sarah Immenue was a tzadik...


http://www.torah.org/advanced/sfas-emes/5764/chayeisarah.html

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Re: Video Study for Parsha Korach : Beyond Revolting
« Reply #23 on: June 20, 2014, 03:45:02 PM »
Here Pirkie avot again stresses the importance of having a good rabbi and learning from him (and inviting him to your home for learning)..


http://www.torah.org/learning/pirkei-avos/chapter1-4.html


The Purpose of Rabbis
Chapter 1, Mishna 4
By Rabbi Dovid Rosenfeld

"Yossi ben (son of) Yo'ezer of Ts'raidah and Yossi ben Yochanan of Jerusalem received [the transmission] from them. Yossi ben Yo'ezer used to say: Let your house be a meeting place for the sages, cleave to the dust of their feet, and drink thirstily their words."

This mishna introduces us to the next generation of Torah scholars. Antignos, the author of last week's mishna, lived in the generation immediately after the Men of the Great Assembly. His generation was transitional. With this week's scholars begins a new era in Jewish religious history, known as the era of the Zugos, or Pairs, which lasted for most of the remainder of Second Temple period. A high court of 71 scholars known as the Sanhedrin provided the religious and often political leadership of the Jewish people. It was led by a pair of scholars, firstly a Nasi (prince, nobleman), and secondly an Av Beis Din, or court head.

Most of the remainder of this chapter of Pirkei Avos will introduce us to successive generations of leaders of the Sanhedrin. The era of the Zugos may be considered the beginning of the period of the Mishna since the scholars of this age are occasionally quoted in the Mishna (see Chagiga 2:2 and Sotah 9:9). Yossi ben Yo'ezer and Yossi ben Yochanan lived at approximately the time of the Hasmonean revolt against the Greeks and the Chanukah miracle -- which we're commemorating at the time of this writing.

The basic message of our mishna is that it is not sufficient to study from Torah scholars, but one must ensure that scholars congregate in his home. The implication is two-fold. First, as the commentator Rabbeinu Yonah (of 12th Century Spain) explains, we must make our homes a place worthy of scholars and scholarship, a home in which people who value wisdom will feel comfortable -- regardless of the intellectual capacity of the homeowner himself.

This often requires that we overcome a major psychological barrier. People are often prepared to attend services or lectures in a synagogue or place of study, but such activities are usually relegated to some sacred location outside of the home. Our homes, however, are our own sacred (but not *too* sacred) abodes. We reign supreme -- and we are the sole arbiters of the standards of modesty and behavior to be maintained.

The first message of our mishna is thus that we must not serve G-d on the outside alone, while maintaining our own "space" within our homes. G-d must permeate every aspect of our lives. There cannot be any dark closets in our houses or corners in our hearts which do not allow G-d to enter. The Talmud writes that on the Day of Judgment the beams of one's own house testify as to a person's true nature (Ta'anis 11a). We are judged not according to how we interacted with our coworkers or with strangers on the street, but by our behavior towards our own family members and in the privacy of our own homes. The mezuzah on our door-post testifies that within is a house of G-d. And inside must be a house in which scholar and layman alike feel comfortable and welcome -- and sense the aura of the Divine Presence. (Based in part on a lecture heard from R. Yochanan Zweig (www.talmudicu.edu).)

The second message of our mishna is that we should not interact with scholars in religious or intellectual contexts alone. We should invite them into our homes. We should see them close up, in personal interaction, and our homes should be molded by such contact. This is because we should not only study Torah; we must see it in action. And this is truly the way we find out what Judaism is all about.

The Talmud writes, "Greater is the service of scholars more than the study from them" (Brachos 7b). What is a Torah scholar really like? How have the Torah's lessons fashioned him as a human being? How does he interact with others, with his wife and family members? What are his values? What kinds of subjects does he talk about? How does he spend his time? The Talmud writes that the light speech of the scholars of the Talmud is equivalent to words of Torah (Eiruvin 54b). True Torah scholars personify the Torah and its lessons, and provide the role models modern man so desperately needs but does not have. A Torah scholar is not one who spouts abstract wisdom. He is one who lives it. And he is the sort we should welcome into our homes and observe in close and intimate quarters.

(It is a point of personal pride on this writer's behalf to have studied under and built personal relationships with R. Yaakov Weinberg of blessed memory and many other Torah scholars in Ner Israel Rabbinical College (Baltimore, MD) and in other institutions of higher learning. Seeing firsthand what Torah study does to a human being was for myself personally a source of growth and inspiration far beyond anything I have every gained from any Jewish text.)

(It is also worth noting that although the Torah fully permeated each of these individuals, they were all very different personalities. Far from the Torah forcing one type of behavior and demeanor onto these great men, it allowed each of them to fully develop his own personal strengths and qualities. There are many paths to greatness; the Torah guides us along them all.)

(Finally -- as I write now and then -- the Internet as a substitute simply does not cut it. It is a wonderful tool for disseminating Torah teachings to the far corners of the globe. (I've heard back from readers from just about every corner of the planet-- still waiting to hear from Antarctica to complete the circle...) But a student should never feel that reading weekly e-mails is the true road to personal growth. Judaism requires scholars, community structure, and constant personal interaction. "Virtual Judaism" (sorry for the buzzword) is a recent innovation -- and a very poor approximation of the real thing.)

There is a final aspect to the importance of personal interaction with Torah scholars, which I'll attempt to cover briefly. We discussed not long ago (1:1) that for the truly important things in life -- character development, interpersonal relationships, what kind of people we should be -- there are no hard and fast rules. Ritual is fairly well-defined. Personality development, however, is not the same for any two individuals. We need to know who we are and what our individual qualities are to truly discern the Torah's personal message for us. Now how do we tune in to that message?

This is the true importance of the Torah scholar. It is relatively easy to decide a strictly religious question such as whether or not a chicken is kosher. That requires knowledge of a fairly well-defined set of laws. A rabbi is "useful" for that but not indispensable. Many law books have been written on such topics and a learned layman could usually manage to find the answer himself (or he could just throw out the chicken; no major affair). But what about interpersonal relationships? How do I deal with my mother-in-law? What kind of career should I choose? How much time should I set aside for study, for community work, for spending with my family? What character traits should I focus on and develop? How do I realize my potential?

The only way to answer such questions is to know the entire Torah and recognize its personalized message for me. There is simply no single verse or law we can point to. (Actually there are quite a lot of them, all pointing us in different directions.) One must know everything the Torah has to say about values and priorities, and decide how they relate to him personally. Only a true Torah scholar can do this. And if he knows you personally, he may help you discover the Torah's personal message for you.

Thus, we are told to cleave to Torah scholars. We must not only study Torah from them. We must get to know them -- and get them to know us. It has been thousands of years since Israel has been blessed with prophets. There is no one (sane) who will come to us today and tell us the word of G-d. But we are blessed with scholars, not in abundance, but they dwell among us today: "For it [the Torah] shall not be forgotten from the mouths of its [Israel's] descendants" (Deuteronomy 31:21). The Talmud in fact states that a scholar is greater than a prophet (Bava Basra 12a). Prophets are told the word of G-d, but scholars discern it on their own. And they are our surest means -- and mankind's last great hope -- of discovering G-d's eternal message to mankind.
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

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Re: Video Study for Parsha Korach : Beyond Revolting
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"Yehoshua ben (son of) Perachia and Nittai of Arbel received the transmission from them [the rabbis of Mishna 4]. Yehoshua ben Perachia said: Make for yourself a rabbi, acquire for yourself a friend, and judge every person favorably."
http://www.torah.org/learning/pirkei-avos/chapter1-6a.html
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14