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Re: US actor Robin Williams found dead
« Reply #75 on: August 12, 2014, 09:59:54 PM »
I hate Obama but I don't hate those who voted for him (as many in my family fall in that category).

I also dont think anyone (aside from us and some other voices) really considered Obama to be an an enemy of Israel. I remember several of my minyan friends from that time who voted for Obama (now they truly regret that mistake, but may continue to vote democrat 'G-d forbid')...
Where is those statements Mr Williams said where he is sorry for influencing people to vote for Obama & where are the statements where he condemned Obamas stance on Israel? I want to see them Muman.
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Re: US actor Robin Williams found dead
« Reply #76 on: August 12, 2014, 10:06:36 PM »
Where is those statements Mr Williams said where he is sorry for influencing people to vote for Obama & where are the statements where he condemned Obamas stance on Israel? I want to see them Muman.
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Re: US actor Robin Williams found dead
« Reply #77 on: August 12, 2014, 10:10:49 PM »
Where is those statements Mr Williams said where he is sorry for influencing people to vote for Obama & where are the statements where he condemned Obamas stance on Israel? I want to see them Muman.

I hate when people use questions that are really statements (ironically appearing twice here) to try to get people to condemn themselves, so you're saying that you should hate people that voted for Obama, and Muman is wrong for it.

I say that's a lot of people you don't know to hate. People sometimes do destructive things out of ignorance, but if they really knew the truth of the situation and had a chance to process it in their way, then you can judge them on what they do with it. If we didn't love them, we'd move to the mountains. In Rabbi Kahane's time, almost EVERY one of those Jews in the colleges would have voted for an Obama. Rabbi Kahane loved them enough to tell them the truth, and that changed history, but nowhere did we get permission to love bad things.
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Re: US actor Robin Williams found dead
« Reply #78 on: August 13, 2014, 01:25:04 AM »
Sorry to bump this thread again, but let us see what the crew from Trifecta at PJTV have to say on the topic.

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Re: US actor Robin Williams found dead
« Reply #79 on: August 13, 2014, 05:56:25 AM »
I hate when people use questions that are really statements (ironically appearing twice here) to try to get people to condemn themselves, so you're saying that you should hate people that voted for Obama, and Muman is wrong for it.

I say that's a lot of people you don't know to hate. People sometimes do destructive things out of ignorance, but if they really knew the truth of the situation and had a chance to process it in their way, then you can judge them on what they do with it. If we didn't love them, we'd move to the mountains. In Rabbi Kahane's time, almost EVERY one of those Jews in the colleges would have voted for an Obama. Rabbi Kahane loved them enough to tell them the truth, and that changed history, but nowhere did we get permission to love bad things.
Why don't you read over what I wrote instead of making these false statements.
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Re: US actor Robin Williams found dead
« Reply #80 on: August 13, 2014, 12:38:45 PM »
This is the problem with Hollywood.  Someone with the talent of Robin Williams, don't get the help they need because they are so talented.  Robin needed help, and stupid hollywood didn't give a damn.  All they cared about was him performing in movies.

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Re: US actor Robin Williams found dead
« Reply #81 on: August 13, 2014, 01:53:08 PM »
I get why people care about the lives of people they admit are weird perverts (and therefore wouldn't want to know about) on tv now.

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The Romance of the Fall
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Robin Williams is the keyword of the hour. Seeing the rash of stories about him, you might think that he went out at the high point of his career. And yet those same people couldn't be bothered to actually watch the movies he was starring in.

The closest he came to a starring role in the last few years was Old Dogs. It made less than $50 million. Before that there was License to Wed. A handful of people saw that.

Last year he was back on television. And the show he was on was cancelled after its first season.

The same public eating up Robin Williams stories now was bored and disinterested. A week ago, it wouldn't have paid attention to Robin Williams if he had paid them to. It didn't go to see his movies. It didn't watch his TV show.

Now that he committed suicide, it temporarily can't get enough of him.

History is speedily rewritten to put him at the center of everything. And yet how many of those same people turning him into the trending topic of everything tuned in to the series finale of The Crazy Ones? The ratings say that not a whole lot of people did.

What makes Robin Williams suddenly so fascinating and compelling is that he killed himself. It's not just that he's dead. It's that he died tragically. It's that he took his own life.

Lauren Bacall, an arguably greater star, isn't picking up the same headlines. She didn't kill herself. There's no terribly compelling backstory of drugs, depression and failed marriages to pick over as the cause of her death.

She just died.

If Robin Williams had died of natural causes, he would have lingered briefly in the news before being shouldered aside by a pop star's outfit. It's his self-destruction that makes his story a magnet for a society that is destroying itself.

It's one thing to slow down to gawk at a car accident, but it's another thing to do it while your own car is crashing into a concrete barrier.

The society that can't get enough of a man who killed himself is killing itself in much the same ways. It suffers from impulse control problems, it's addictions are out of control, it ricochets wildly between frenzied pleasure seeking and deep depression. It has no hope for the future but is constantly cracking jokes.

Robin Williams was on a streak in the nineties. Then his career died in the oughts.

I'm not particularly familiar with what was going on in his personal life, but one obvious metric is that he passed the fifty mark. He was now officially old. Within a few years the career of an actor who had regularly been starring in big movies was gone.

Our society doesn't like getting old. Many of the people mourning Williams are really mourning their own youth. They're marking dates on a calendar, scrolling back to see when Good Morning Vietnam or even Good Will Hunting came out and wondering if so much time could have really passed.

But the society of the cliff, the one that is slowing down to gawk as his body is being wheeled into an ambulance while their car is going over the cliff, finds the instinct of self-destruction compelling. In feeling sorry for him, they are really feeling sorry for themselves.

And that is the new role of fame, to embody not the hopeful and the vibrant, but the destructive. To entertain the people and then to die for the people. To distract the audience from its own mortality.

The compelling stories are no longer on screen, they are off screen. Movies and television are becoming the background for the reality dramas of fame. Audiences are less interested in cinematic evocations of hope, in the dramas of morality and heroism. They prefer the real life dramas of people made famous making fools of themselves in public until they either leave the stage or die.

Robin Williams never left the stage.

This isn't about Robin Williams, who was after all someone's father and someone's husband. Our country is run, politically and culturally, by men and women who make him seem like the soul of rectitude. They just don't announce it on stage. Or when they do, like David Carr or Barack Obama, they spin it as part of their upward trajectory. But there is no upward trajectory.

Our society is dying because we traded the virtues of character for fake inspiration. And fake inspiration is ridiculously cheap and ridiculously worthless. It asks nothing of people and it gives them nothing.

Robin Williams mimed that kind of inspiration in countless movies. And he wasn't the only one. What Obama offered America was the same empty hopeless hope, the invocation of an artificial inspiration created through tone and expression, but that asked nothing of our character.

Deep down everyone can sense the hollowness. It's what leads them to stop and gawk. The crowds who want inspiration are really looking for something darker. They want a hope to save them from themselves. They want some inspiration that will prevent them from seeing who they really are. And if they can't have that, they want an excuse for their deaths and the death of their society.

Actors understand better than anyone that there is no escaping from ourselves. It's the audience that is fooled. It's the audience that wants to believe in inspiration and immortality, and when the belief dies, it weeps over the corpse of the performer, tastes his despair and then moves on.

Character means making difficult decisions and taking responsibility for them. It's not something that our society does anymore. Too many of us have diseases or are victims or somehow disadvantaged. Character is individualistic. It asks us to walk the only path of escape from our own flaws by taking responsibility for them.

The alternative is the romance of the fall. The car headed for the concrete barrier. The society of the cliff pointing and laughing even while it's waiting to fall. Crowds begging for fake inspiration and dying as eternal victims because no one ever taught them how to choose life.

Each generation is called upon to take responsibility for its own choices. The failure to take responsibility is the death drive. Those who refuse to take responsibility are choosing death and the willingness to die attracts them. It embodies the death drive that their beliefs naturally lead to.

They romanticize death because they have chosen to abdicate their lives. Their deaths are a slow thing and may take generations to complete. It is a choice that they can always undo. The romance of the fall always ends in shadow. The end of character is also the death of the soul and the society.
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Re: US actor Robin Williams found dead
« Reply #82 on: August 13, 2014, 04:02:31 PM »
I will disagree personally with the author of the piece posted by LKZ... I am only speaking for myself.

I have no fascination with the suicide aspect of Robin Williams death. I am not fascinated with the story at all, and as the guys at PJTV said it was just a matter of time before a manic mind like Mr Williams burst. Some great comedians do grow old and I am hoping to start a thread in the 'Time Out' section showcasing some of the great comedic talent of the previous generation...

For instance in the 90s when the Nirvana frontman Kurt Cobain committed suicide at the prime of his career I had absolutely no interest in the story, nor did I ever watch a documentary about Kurt Cobain nor have I ever liked any of his music. If I were attracted to stories of suicidal death I should have been attracted to that story, and yet I have no interest in Nirvana, Kurt Cobain, or any of the craziness which spewed from that story...

What I am sad for is that Mr Williams brand of comedic genius is gone and I grew up on that kind of comedy, and as the thread I hope to post tonight or tomorrow will demonstrate, there were many genius comedians in my lifetime.



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Re: US actor Robin Williams found dead
« Reply #83 on: August 13, 2014, 09:24:48 PM »
Watching both IZ and muman613 argue is like watching a drama movie!
More popcorn will be prepared.

Irish Zionist on August 12, 2014, 04:11:06 PM

    He supported Obama, Robin Williams SUPPORTED OBAMA!
    Hello? Are you awake?


So that justifies it? Your level for cursing people is very very low... And in my opinion it runs counter to a great deal of wisdom.

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Re: US actor Robin Williams found dead
« Reply #84 on: August 17, 2014, 06:18:48 PM »
Like most people I started out with sorrow and compassion.  I always heard he was a nice guy.  Recently I learned that it was a diagnosis of Parkinson's Disease that tipped him over.  I could imagine that with his addiction issue he needed Parkinson's like a second rectum.

Come to think of it that is how I felt when I was diagnosed with PD.  it was at the height of a difficult time with my son.  It was two years ago.  The last two years have generally been good.  I have done better financially than at any time in my life.  My son has improved.  I have enjoyed traveling and have become much more aware of the precious quality of our limited time above ground.  It never occurred to me to kill myself.

Williams is a role model whether he likes it or not.  He has young adult children.  He has millions of fans.  Hopefully nobody with PD will be influenced by him.
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Re: US actor Robin Williams found dead
« Reply #85 on: August 17, 2014, 07:32:19 PM »
I don't know if I would curse RW but he is answering for his choices right now. So much talent, what a waste.

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« Reply #86 on: August 17, 2014, 07:52:38 PM »
Like most people I started out with sorrow and compassion.  I always heard he was a nice guy.  Recently I learned that it was a diagnosis of Parkinson's Disease that tipped him over.  I could imagine that with his addiction issue he needed Parkinson's like a second rectum.

Come to think of it that is how I felt when I was diagnosed with PD.  it was at the height of a difficult time with my son.  It was two years ago.  The last two years have generally been good.  I have done better financially than at any time in my life.  My son has improved.  I have enjoyed traveling and have become much more aware of the precious quality of our limited time above ground.  It never occurred to me to kill myself.

Williams is a role model whether he likes it or not.  He has young adult children.  He has millions of fans.  Hopefully nobody with PD will be influenced by him.

So sorry to hear about your diagnosis.
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Re: US actor Robin Williams found dead
« Reply #87 on: August 17, 2014, 10:59:21 PM »
Like most people I started out with sorrow and compassion.  I always heard he was a nice guy.  Recently I learned that it was a diagnosis of Parkinson's Disease that tipped him over.  I could imagine that with his addiction issue he needed Parkinson's like a second rectum.

Come to think of it that is how I felt when I was diagnosed with PD.  it was at the height of a difficult time with my son.  It was two years ago.  The last two years have generally been good.  I have done better financially than at any time in my life.  My son has improved.  I have enjoyed traveling and have become much more aware of the precious quality of our limited time above ground.  It never occurred to me to kill myself.

Williams is a role model whether he likes it or not.  He has young adult children.  He has millions of fans.  Hopefully nobody with PD will be influenced by him.

I am sorry to hear about this. PD is another disease which needs to have a cure found for it.

My ex-wifes father is in late stage PD...

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: US actor Robin Williams found dead
« Reply #88 on: August 19, 2014, 01:09:48 PM »
So sorry to hear about your diagnosis.
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« Reply #89 on: August 22, 2014, 02:41:46 AM »
I am sorry to hear about this. PD is another disease which needs to have a cure found for it.

My ex-wifes father is in late stage PD...

If I recall you live on the Peninsula.  Stanford has a research tnrial on deep brain stimulation which is sometimes very effective for late stage PD.  if you are interested I will send you the details.
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Re: US actor Robin Williams found dead
« Reply #90 on: August 22, 2014, 03:06:17 AM »
If I recall you live on the Peninsula.  Stanford has a research tnrial on deep brain stimulation which is sometimes very effective for late stage PD.  if you are interested I will send you the details.

He doesn't live near me, rather down towards Los Angeles... I don't talk with him, although I will see if she is interested in telling him.

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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