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Re: "Orthodox Jewish" anti-zionist sect expelled from Guatemala
« Reply #25 on: September 04, 2014, 05:03:41 AM »
You are confused and confusing the issue.

The leader of this cult spent time in jail in the US for kidnapping a child.  Did you know that?

There are allegations not just of hitting, but of severe physical beatings, locking "disobedient" girls locked into basements, taking kids away from biological parents (of course by the mighty cult leader who determines what parents are suitable and what ones not) if deemed not properly taught, and accusations of child abuse.

The cult figure's wife and child are on the public record, having abandoned the cult, claiming they were physically abused.

Only a truly sick individual or someone downright ignorant of the issue (which it sounds like you are ignorant of this group) would try to "explain away" the obviously brutal and unacceptable conduct of this disgusting group and its abusive leader.   

Read this article: http://www.timesofisrael.com/police-allege-physical-mental-abuse-in-lev-tahor-sect/

The claim of this cult figure that it's a "blood libel" or religious persecution of his group is a joke.   There are haredim and hasidim all over the world, all over the US, canada, Israel, etc practicing real Torah Judaism and none of them are accused of the crazy things he is accused of.  None of them are "persecuted" like this.    Do the math.
That plus they are anti-Zionist. It's funny because I see them fighting with Christians, but I bet they just love the Muslims.

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Re: "Orthodox Jewish" anti-zionist sect expelled from Guatemala
« Reply #26 on: September 04, 2014, 01:19:50 PM »
What's funny is that the American indigenous peoples were never as close to the leftists or "Palestinians" as the Marxist elites were hoping. I've always been a supporter of indigenous movements, I wish some of them were right-wing. The leftists are destroying traditional native culture, but many don't realize that. Also this "latino" movement which is pretty much dominated by Mestizos and wants to blend and mix everything out of existence (typical cultural Marxism) certainly poses a threat to them. I remember reading that in Chile the native Mapuches and the "Palestinians" (95% of "Palestinians" in Chile are Christians but hate other Christians and love Muslims) got into a fight (and the leftists love to promote the Mapuche cause).

It depends on the tribe and religion, in the us some tribes are more hostile, some who are half native or a quarter seem to be more pro Israel. The pure blood that are pro Israel are usually philo Semites or evangelical Christian. It seems that in the southwest some groups are more pro Palestinian sometimes based on poverty level. I am friends with a pure apache who is in the air force and she loves israel. I know many metis Indians in Canada who love Israel and learned hebrew .

To understand Latin America it's complicated, I know some Mexicans who are indeed pro Israel but are generally evangelical , one I know his fathers a pastor from the Yucatan pure indigenous.

The hostile hispanics it's generally political, the poor class generally feel as if the US is a colonial country and feel that the Mexican president did not have the right to sell land to the us, at the same time many Mexicans who are pro Israel are still inclined in some way to feel obligated to feel ties to mexico, some are legitimately happy to be here while others ate not and here simply for money. Most of the anti Israel views come to an association that much of the people in poverty see the US as a rich country while they are not in the vest economic situation and so the poor Mexicans who are politically opposed to the us generally compare the Palestinians to being the same while promoting different motives for this from indigenous hood to land grabs
. what most of them fail to understand is Israel is a indigenous country , Jews are embracing their indigenous culture , beliefs and in most cases are genetically tied to the Levant. Other Mexican groups particularly LA raza  have different motives from exploitation of the land to eventual removal of all European descent people's , rape, murder or drugs and intimidation. I experienced this in Chicago and many people fled the city from the cholo gangbangers.

The rest of central america feels close in views with exception of panama and Costa Rica and possibly guatemala probably due to a good past relationship and religion. Honduras also mainly indigenous is also very evangelical .

Exceptions being Nicaragua who is trying to be the next Venezuela or Cuba, and maybe el salvador.

South America , my wife is colombian, Colombia buys all its weapons from Israel and is very capitalist, south Americans particularly in Colombia take a lot of pride in education , speaking proper Spanish and doing everything they can to help, they are very pro Israel.

Chile used to have very close ties to Israel but not anymore, they have a huge Palestinian population, many Nazis in the past settled in Chile and there is even a town there that celebrates hitlers birthday , the town is made up of German immigrants.

Bolivia is generally anti Israel and american due to Marxist. views and a Marxist indigenous movement

Venezuela same for socialist Marxist views but rather than indigenous it's about resources.

Argentina has had good relations before with Jews but not sure about Israel, in the past many Jews found protection in Argentina despite their leadership being somewhat fascist at the time yet also let in Nazis who came in on false passports, many of Argentina's leaders have had Palestinian ancestry .they failed to investigate the  bombing on the Jewish synagogue and its believed that Iran was behind it, there's evidence of corruption .

Ecuador similar to Bolivia.

Peru, I think the governments view is different from the people, I met a  lot of pro Israel Peruvians .

Brazil , since its such a huge country split politically from north Brazil and south Brazil I don't think the government represents the majority of people's views. There's huge wealth inequality so it varies on education.

Suriname and Guyana no idea but I don't consider them Hispanic anyways .

Anyways its not that Latin Americans want to mix, actually Latin Americans for a long time were under the caste system and so when Spain ruled, the more spaniard or castizo you were the higher up . the more indigenous and you were lower.

In Colombia race doesn't really matter so much, most people view it more as your culture or language, most Colombians look lighter to me than central Americans usually with some indigenous features like jet black hair or tan skin, some look pure indigenous and others look Spanish, you also have black Colombians who culturally are different from the blacks in the us. I went to San Andres island, its part of Colombia and all black but they are baptist. I lost my wallet and the lady chased after me to give me my wallet. They are more conservative and dress nice.

The issue why some hispanics hate Israel and America  is mainly political , ignorance , and sometimes poverty creates issues where governments focus on economically well countries to tell the poor to hate America or Israel because of their situation yet those same governments do not appear to look at what causes their economy to decline or look at other successful countries as a model of capitalism like hong Kong or Singapore for example .

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Re: "Orthodox Jewish" anti-zionist sect expelled from Guatemala
« Reply #27 on: September 05, 2014, 07:29:27 PM »
It depends on the tribe and religion, in the us some tribes are more hostile, some who are half native or a quarter seem to be more pro Israel. The pure blood that are pro Israel are usually philo Semites or evangelical Christian. It seems that in the southwest some groups are more pro Palestinian sometimes based on poverty level. I am friends with a pure apache who is in the air force and she loves israel. I know many metis Indians in Canada who love Israel and learned hebrew .

To understand Latin America it's complicated, I know some Mexicans who are indeed pro Israel but are generally evangelical , one I know his fathers a pastor from the Yucatan pure indigenous.

The hostile hispanics it's generally political, the poor class generally feel as if the US is a colonial country and feel that the Mexican president did not have the right to sell land to the us, at the same time many Mexicans who are pro Israel are still inclined in some way to feel obligated to feel ties to mexico, some are legitimately happy to be here while others ate not and here simply for money. Most of the anti Israel views come to an association that much of the people in poverty see the US as a rich country while they are not in the vest economic situation and so the poor Mexicans who are politically opposed to the us generally compare the Palestinians to being the same while promoting different motives for this from indigenous hood to land grabs
. what most of them fail to understand is Israel is a indigenous country , Jews are embracing their indigenous culture , beliefs and in most cases are genetically tied to the Levant. Other Mexican groups particularly LA raza  have different motives from exploitation of the land to eventual removal of all European descent people's , rape, murder or drugs and intimidation. I experienced this in Chicago and many people fled the city from the cholo gangbangers.

The rest of central america feels close in views with exception of panama and Costa Rica and possibly guatemala probably due to a good past relationship and religion. Honduras also mainly indigenous is also very evangelical .

Exceptions being Nicaragua who is trying to be the next Venezuela or Cuba, and maybe el salvador.

South America , my wife is colombian, Colombia buys all its weapons from Israel and is very capitalist, south Americans particularly in Colombia take a lot of pride in education , speaking proper Spanish and doing everything they can to help, they are very pro Israel.

Chile used to have very close ties to Israel but not anymore, they have a huge Palestinian population, many Nazis in the past settled in Chile and there is even a town there that celebrates hitlers birthday , the town is made up of German immigrants.

Bolivia is generally anti Israel and american due to Marxist. views and a Marxist indigenous movement

Venezuela same for socialist Marxist views but rather than indigenous it's about resources.

Argentina has had good relations before with Jews but not sure about Israel, in the past many Jews found protection in Argentina despite their leadership being somewhat fascist at the time yet also let in Nazis who came in on false passports, many of Argentina's leaders have had Palestinian ancestry .they failed to investigate the  bombing on the Jewish synagogue and its believed that Iran was behind it, there's evidence of corruption .

Ecuador similar to Bolivia.

Peru, I think the governments view is different from the people, I met a  lot of pro Israel Peruvians .

Brazil , since its such a huge country split politically from north Brazil and south Brazil I don't think the government represents the majority of people's views. There's huge wealth inequality so it varies on education.

Suriname and Guyana no idea but I don't consider them Hispanic anyways .

Anyways its not that Latin Americans want to mix, actually Latin Americans for a long time were under the caste system and so when Spain ruled, the more spaniard or castizo you were the higher up . the more indigenous and you were lower.

In Colombia race doesn't really matter so much, most people view it more as your culture or language, most Colombians look lighter to me than central Americans usually with some indigenous features like jet black hair or tan skin, some look pure indigenous and others look Spanish, you also have black Colombians who culturally are different from the blacks in the us. I went to San Andres island, its part of Colombia and all black but they are baptist. I lost my wallet and the lady chased after me to give me my wallet. They are more conservative and dress nice.

The issue why some hispanics hate Israel and America  is mainly political , ignorance , and sometimes poverty creates issues where governments focus on economically well countries to tell the poor to hate America or Israel because of their situation yet those same governments do not appear to look at what causes their economy to decline or look at other successful countries as a model of capitalism like hong Kong or Singapore for example .
In Peru there were protests against Israel. I wish indigenous movements would be right-wing, and pro-Israel, since they have much in common.