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Dutch Bishop pray to Allah
« on: August 14, 2007, 08:16:10 PM »
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Pray to Allah, Dutch bishop suggests 

Amsterdam, Aug. 14, 2007 (CWNews.com) - A Dutch Catholic bishop has suggested that Christians should refer to God as "Allah" to promote better relations with Muslims.

Bishop Martinus "Tiny" Muskens of Breda told the "Network" television show that "God doesn't really care how we address Him."

Pointing out that "Allah" is a term already used by Christians who speak Arabic, Bishop Muskens said that humans are needlessly divided over such terminology. God, the bishop said, is above such "bickering."

The Dutch bishop admitted that his suggestion was not likely to gain widespread acceptance. But he predicted that within a century or two, Dutch Catholics would be addressing prayers to "Allah."

Bishop Muskens has a history of creating occasional controversy within the Church. He has broken with Vatican leadership to endorse the use of condoms as a means of preventing the spread of AIDS, and in 2006 he traveled to Uganda to endorse the work of a group called Stop AIDS Now, which emphasized condom distribution.
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Re: Dutch Bishop pray to Allah
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2007, 08:39:51 PM »
More dropping of the pants by panty-waisted Europeans!

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Re: Dutch Bishop pray to Allah
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2007, 10:19:33 PM »
The expect the word to use the word allah in a century or two? Well, if JTF gets to power G-d willing there wont be any Muslims left in a century or two.

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Re: Dutch Bishop pray to Allah
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2007, 03:58:20 AM »
allah is the name of the moon god.This guy should be shot in the head just for being stupid!

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Re: Dutch Bishop pray to Allah
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2007, 09:48:16 AM »
Unfortunately, he's not the only stupid one walking around...
The dutch bishop should be severely punished for selling out his faith!

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Re: Dutch Bishop pray to Allah
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2007, 09:56:17 AM »
Maybe, to promote better relations with Muslims, Dutch Catholics should dress their wives and daughters in burqas too.
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Re: Dutch Bishop pray to Allah
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2007, 10:14:51 AM »
He's just scum...When has a Muslim ever bent over backwards to help a non-muslim?!
The whole system works because everyone is not mentally ill on the same day!!!!

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« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2007, 10:21:41 AM »
This must be one of those heretical liberation theologians.


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« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2007, 10:45:38 AM »
This is typical of the completely perverted amoral mainstream christianity of today. Lucky there are some evangelicals and hardshell baptists around!

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Re: Dutch Bishop pray to Allah
« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2007, 12:36:16 PM »
There's plenty of blame to go around re: Roman Catholicism bowing to Islam.  This is far from the first case, and it goes right to the top.  Who can forget John Paul "The Great" visiting a mosque in Syria and kissing a copy of the Koran.

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Re: Dutch Bishop pray to Allah
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2007, 12:42:31 PM »
We've got every mainstream church here in Oz peddling this morally vaccuous, love everyone, don't judge, turn the other cheek, kiss kiss clap trap. These churches can't tell the difference between Mother Theresa and yassir arafat!

I'm not a christian but I have several evangelical fiends who assure me that christianity is not the whimpy, morally vaccuous religion that these mainstream ministers are trying to turn it into. I bloomin' hope so!

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Re: Dutch Bishop pray to Allah
« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2007, 04:54:24 AM »
We've got every mainstream church here in Oz peddling this morally vaccuous, love everyone, don't judge, turn the other cheek, kiss kiss clap trap. These churches can't tell the difference between Mother Theresa and yassir arafat!

I'm not a christian but I have several evangelical fiends who assure me that christianity is not the whimpy, morally vaccuous religion that these mainstream ministers are trying to turn it into. I bloomin' hope so!

Christians certainly should not be cowardly or morally vacuous in the face of evil.
This is an excerpt from the life of a saint that is celebrated on this date every year. There are many thousands of similar examples throughout the history of the Church. This is the attitude true Chrisitans should have toward people trying to destroy their faith. Embracing and incorporating the enemy's beliefs is heretical.

(Please excuse the graphic nature of the following paragraph)

   Saint Myron was a priest during the reign of Decius, when Antipater was ruler
   of Achaia. On the day of our Lord's Nativity, Antipater entered the church to
   seize the Christians and punish them. Saint Myron, kindled with holy zeal,
   roundly insulted Antipater, for which he was hung up and scraped, then cast
   into a raging furnace, but was preserved unharmed. When Myron refused to
   worship the idols, Antipater commanded that strips be cut in the Saint's flesh
   from his shoulders to his feet; the Saint took one of the strips of his flesh
   and flung it in the tyrant's face. He was beaten, and scraped again upon his
   beaten flesh; then he was thrown to wild beasts, but when Antipater saw them
   leaving off their fierce nature and protecting the Saint from harm, he was
   overcome with unbearable shame and slew himself. The Saint was then sent to
   Cyzicus, where the proconsul had him beheaded, about the year 250.

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Re: Dutch Bishop pray to Allah
« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2007, 09:31:44 PM »
Next thing that this Dutch Bishop will suggest is to call churchs and synagogues "mosques" .
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Re: Dutch Bishop pray to Allah
« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2007, 09:50:41 PM »
That is what is known as a radical priest not much you can do with animals like that. The church has become to tolerant of transgressions like that and so has the congregations. That priest should have been turned out. This type of thinking is even more common in the Christian churches where they try to be even more inclusive due to the fact of trying to build up smaller congregations. In short anything goes.
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Re: Dutch Bishop pray to Allah
« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2007, 05:18:54 AM »
He's heretic and shoud be excomunicated for this, The RC Church in place of teologic reform which shoud bring it closer to scriptures chosed to apease the immorality of the world. That's ( and the calling the Jesus P...stinian) why I left the boat. 
Jeremiah 8:11-17

11 They dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious. Peace, peace, they say, when there is no peace.

12 Are they ashamed of their loathsome conduct? No, they have no shame at all; they do not even know how to blush. So they will fall among the fallen; they will be brought down when they are punished, says the LORD.

13 'I will take away their harvest, declares the LORD. There will be no grapes on the vine. There will be no figs on the tree, and their leaves will wither. What I have given them will be taken from them.'

14 Why are we sitting here? Gather together! Let us flee to the fortified cities and perish there! For the LORD our God has doomed us to perish and given us poisoned water to drink, because we have sinned against him.

15 We hoped for peace but no good has come, for a time of healing but there was only terror.

16 The snorting of the enemy's horses is heard from Dan; at the neighing of their stallions the whole land trembles. They have come to devour the land and everything in it, the city and all who live there.

17 See, I will send venomous snakes among you, vipers that cannot be charmed, and they will bite you, declares the LORD.

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Re: Dutch Bishop pray to Allah
« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2007, 05:38:02 AM »
He's heretic and shoud be excomunicated for this, The RC Church in place of teologic reform which shoud bring it closer to scriptures chosed to apease the immorality of the world. That's ( and the calling the Jesus P...stinian) why I left the boat. 
Do I understand that the RC church calls Jesus a Pal-estinian?  That's a new one to me.  If I ever heard someone say that, I don't believe I would be able to keep a straight face.  I wonder if it's disrespectful to laugh in a priest's face?
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« Reply #16 on: August 18, 2007, 05:42:44 AM »
He's heretic and shoud be excomunicated for this, The RC Church in place of teologic reform which shoud bring it closer to scriptures chosed to apease the immorality of the world. That's ( and the calling the Jesus P...stinian) why I left the boat. 
Do I understand that the RC church calls Jesus a Pal-estinian?  That's a new one to me.  If I ever heard someone say that, I don't believe I would be able to keep a straight face.  I wonder if it's disrespectful to laugh in a priest's face?
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That's the BS that arab christians go on with. I don' t know about the RC in europe, but they'll do it soon enough.

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Re: Dutch Bishop pray to Allah
« Reply #17 on: August 18, 2007, 05:53:21 AM »
He's heretic and shoud be excomunicated for this, The RC Church in place of teologic reform which shoud bring it closer to scriptures chosed to apease the immorality of the world. That's ( and the calling the Jesus P...stinian) why I left the boat. 
Do I understand that the RC church calls Jesus a Pal-estinian?  That's a new one to me.  If I ever heard someone say that, I don't believe I would be able to keep a straight face.  I wonder if it's disrespectful to laugh in a priest's face?
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That's the BS that arab christians go on with. I don' t know about the RC in europe, but they'll do it soon enough.

There was a sermon transmitting on Polish TV in which John the Baptist and Jesus Christ were preaching in "Palestine" ...  ::) It's position of one Bishop not entire Church I hope
Yes it is disrespectful to act silly in church; but on this acasion I woud make an exeption.  ;D   
Jeremiah 8:11-17

11 They dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious. Peace, peace, they say, when there is no peace.

12 Are they ashamed of their loathsome conduct? No, they have no shame at all; they do not even know how to blush. So they will fall among the fallen; they will be brought down when they are punished, says the LORD.

13 'I will take away their harvest, declares the LORD. There will be no grapes on the vine. There will be no figs on the tree, and their leaves will wither. What I have given them will be taken from them.'

14 Why are we sitting here? Gather together! Let us flee to the fortified cities and perish there! For the LORD our God has doomed us to perish and given us poisoned water to drink, because we have sinned against him.

15 We hoped for peace but no good has come, for a time of healing but there was only terror.

16 The snorting of the enemy's horses is heard from Dan; at the neighing of their stallions the whole land trembles. They have come to devour the land and everything in it, the city and all who live there.

17 See, I will send venomous snakes among you, vipers that cannot be charmed, and they will bite you, declares the LORD.

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Re: Dutch Bishop pray to Allah
« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2007, 05:59:17 AM »
'Eretz Yisrael' is the proper description of Israel/ Judea/ Samaria. 'P_lestine' is the big lie.'

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Re: Dutch Bishop pray to Allah
« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2007, 06:56:52 AM »
Yes I Know in hebrew it's 'Eretz Yisrael' but in English it's Israel right? and automatic censoring of my post makes it look kind of wierd now... There was never and G-d help never will be a Pukestinian State, but from 135 AD to 1948 AD there was a province of Palestina part of gentile empires. In 1967 AD according to biblicall prophecy the time of gentiles had come to the end; So the steady loss of lands; Israel has aquired since  six day war can be atrubuted to the fact that Mount Zion is still in muslim hands.
Jeremiah 8:11-17

11 They dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious. Peace, peace, they say, when there is no peace.

12 Are they ashamed of their loathsome conduct? No, they have no shame at all; they do not even know how to blush. So they will fall among the fallen; they will be brought down when they are punished, says the LORD.

13 'I will take away their harvest, declares the LORD. There will be no grapes on the vine. There will be no figs on the tree, and their leaves will wither. What I have given them will be taken from them.'

14 Why are we sitting here? Gather together! Let us flee to the fortified cities and perish there! For the LORD our God has doomed us to perish and given us poisoned water to drink, because we have sinned against him.

15 We hoped for peace but no good has come, for a time of healing but there was only terror.

16 The snorting of the enemy's horses is heard from Dan; at the neighing of their stallions the whole land trembles. They have come to devour the land and everything in it, the city and all who live there.

17 See, I will send venomous snakes among you, vipers that cannot be charmed, and they will bite you, declares the LORD.

Love your Enemy
And Heap Burning Coals on his Head!!!
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Re: Dutch Bishop pray to Allah
« Reply #20 on: September 09, 2007, 07:55:21 AM »
The bishop is a evil betrayer. Allah and the G-d of the bible, the only real G-d, who don't tolerate other gods, have nothing in common. Today we know, that "allah" is a proper name, and no word for G-d in common, like the English word G-d, the german word Gott or the hebrew word el bzw. elohim.

The name Allah descends from al ilah. And changes in preislamic time to the today known name allah. Mohammeds father wears the name Allah in his Name. Abadallah.
So we can be shure that the name Allah exists in preislamic time.
Allah the moongod, marries the sun and gets three daughters. Manat Uzza Lat and a lot of others. All doughters of Allah are in the believe of the arabs the stars.
There are the Satanic Verses, that prove us, that the Koran was changed. Originally Allah has in the Islam this three doughters.
Mohammed is a cheater, who takes the tin gods of the arabic pantheon unclothes them of many attributes of paganism and clothes them with stories he has picked up from jews and christians, but he didn't understand what he heard. >:(
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« Reply #21 on: September 09, 2007, 08:00:41 AM »
Good info Goldfasan.

I've saved it for future referrence.

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« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2008, 09:28:32 PM »
Man this is so funny that i cant even be angry :::D :::D :::D

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« Reply #23 on: March 10, 2008, 08:59:19 AM »
Unfortunately, he's not the only stupid one walking around...
The dutch bishop should be severely punished for selling out his faith!

Or as Serbs say

'Prodao veru za veceru' which means 'He sold his faith in exchange for dinner'.

Just when they thought Europe can't deteriorate anymore - someone does/says something which makes all other ridiculous things look like child play.
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Re: Dutch Bishop pray to Allah
« Reply #24 on: April 01, 2008, 10:37:00 AM »
This 'bishop' does not know his God! >:(