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Re: Jews are banned from praying at the temple mount
« Reply #25 on: November 09, 2014, 12:42:41 AM »
Brennanfan is onto something.  The Israeli regime doesn't care what religious Jews say or those kahanist guys either.  But a "cash cow" like tourists and/or evangelical christians?    If they started demanding action against the waqf, Israel's leaders would probably spontaneously combust due to fear.   But of course the evangelicals are too busy being "pro Israel" by supporting bibi against perceived slights by obama.  I wish they would wake up to the fact that there is a phony right in Israel and quit playing puppy dog to the likud cowards.

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Re: Jews are banned from praying at the temple mount
« Reply #26 on: November 09, 2014, 04:06:38 AM »
Well, Israel does have plenty of right-wing groups which go out, march and so on. In the USA though there is nothing but a sea of beyond leftist and apathetic Jews. In the USA, the people which I have found share our views also are the same people who seemingly despise Jews and blame them for everything.
Which means they don't really share our views...

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Re: Jews are banned from praying at the temple mount
« Reply #27 on: November 09, 2014, 04:07:50 AM »
Brennanfan is onto something.  The Israeli regime doesn't care what religious Jews say or those kahanist guys either.  But a "cash cow" like tourists and/or evangelical christians?    If they started demanding action against the waqf, Israel's leaders would probably spontaneously combust due to fear.   But of course the evangelicals are too busy being "pro Israel" by supporting bibi against perceived slights by obama.  I wish they would wake up to the fact that there is a phony right in Israel and quit playing puppy dog to the likud cowards.

It makes logical sense, facts of the matter aside. Oi to us if we look for our salvation from there, and don't think that Hashem would allow it.
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Re: Jews are banned from praying at the temple mount
« Reply #28 on: November 09, 2014, 04:20:49 AM »
I am ethnically 100% part of the "community" and I have to say that his viewpoint of American Jews (as well as French Jews as apparent from my time in Israel) is not far off. In Israel, even the left-leaning Jews who I lived with were still eons further to the right than the average leftist Jew in the USA and that is saying something.

Hi nice to meet you. I have no clue who you are, and I was talking about Stinks. About 1/3 of Jews I meet here are leftists, and I've managed to convince outspoken socialists who are intermarried that the Kahanist position is right (gonna miss that), so they all have the same Jewish heart that can be spoken to, if you can calm down on the curses and put-downs for a minute.
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Re: Jews are banned from praying at the temple mount
« Reply #29 on: November 09, 2014, 05:20:37 AM »
Brennanfan is onto something.  The Israeli regime doesn't care what religious Jews say or those kahanist guys either.  But a "cash cow" like tourists and/or evangelical christians?    If they started demanding action against the waqf, Israel's leaders would probably spontaneously combust due to fear.   But of course the evangelicals are too busy being "pro Israel" by supporting bibi against perceived slights by obama.  I wish they would wake up to the fact that there is a phony right in Israel and quit playing puppy dog to the likud cowards.
KWR if you knew how rotted-out evangelicalism has become in America, particularly among the youth, you'd at least momentarily forget about Jewish self-hatred. Suffice it to say that getting us to support Israel, period, is getting increasingly difficult.  ::)

That being said, it is still the biggest single Gentile source of support for Israel there is. If someone like Huckabee were willing to start seriously taking Lewinsky to task, perhaps he could start a greater movement.

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Re: Jews are banned from praying at the temple mount
« Reply #30 on: November 09, 2014, 05:50:04 AM »
Brennanfan is onto something.  The Israeli regime doesn't care what religious Jews say or those kahanist guys either.  But a "cash cow" like tourists and/or evangelical christians?    If they started demanding action against the waqf, Israel's leaders would probably spontaneously combust due to fear.   But of course the evangelicals are too busy being "pro Israel" by supporting bibi against perceived slights by obama.  I wish they would wake up to the fact that there is a phony right in Israel and quit playing puppy dog to the likud cowards.
It's the cash cow more than anything else... Namely the tourist dollar... I have been saying it here for years... The bottom line is that Israel is a small country and money like that is hard to toss away...
Parts of Israel are now being seen as a number 1 gay destination... It's hard to turn away people who in many cases are well off and cause very little trouble... This also the case with the bible belt folks... The sword however cuts both ways with many of the groups... The gays tend to be liberal and support a two state solution  and holy rollers of all variety want control of whatever holy sites they feel are important... A Israel with right wing values would put a crimp in what many of the groups are interested in... I think at this point  it would be a big adjustment for most of the groups if Israel's government decided to take even a moderate kahanist approach to things...
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4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
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Re: Jews are banned from praying at the temple mount
« Reply #32 on: November 09, 2014, 02:08:07 PM »
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/270239/bayit-yehudi-against-rishon-ltzion-rav-yosef.html#comment-717840

The charedi response to this issue has been downright sickening.  I hope you are not misled by their senseless propaganda.   

I read the Yated on this issue on Shabbos and I felt the need to vomit.   I'm debating writing an article on it.

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Re: Jews are banned from praying at the temple mount
« Reply #33 on: November 09, 2014, 02:09:24 PM »
The charedi response to this issue has been downright sickening.  I hope you are not misled by their senseless propaganda.   

I read the Yated on this issue on Shabbos and I felt the need to vomit.   I'm debating writing an article on it.


 G-D forbid! I am sick of it as well. That is why I posted this response against them by Bennett.
 
 Look at the crap at "the yeshivaworld" about this.
 
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4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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Re: Jews are banned from praying at the temple mount
« Reply #34 on: November 09, 2014, 02:13:07 PM »

 G-D forbid! I am sick of it as well. That is why I posted this response against them by Bennett.
 
 Look at the crap at "the yeshivaworld" about this.

Ok.  I wasn't sure since you just put the link, if you are in support of Bennett's comment or in support of YWN writer.

It's a joke the way YWN pretends that Bayit Yehudi is somehow beholden to Rav Yosef.   Why would they be?    But if they pretend to that fact, they can mislead their readers into thinking Bayit Yehudi just blatantly disobeys rabbinical guidance (even tho in reality B Y never actually claimed to follow R Yosef).

All of these haredi papers are the same:   "We are the only ones who follow halacha and if you don't follow our rabbis you are not following halacha and bringing curses down on the world."

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Re: Jews are banned from praying at the temple mount
« Reply #35 on: November 09, 2014, 02:26:09 PM »
Ok.  I wasn't sure since you just put the link, if you are in support of Bennett's comment or in support of YWN writer.

It's a joke the way YWN pretends that Bayit Yehudi is somehow beholden to Rav Yosef.   Why would they be?    But if they pretend to that fact, they can mislead their readers into thinking Bayit Yehudi just blatantly disobeys rabbinical guidance (even tho in reality B Y never actually claimed to follow R Yosef).

All of these haredi papers are the same:   "We are the only ones who follow halacha and if you don't follow our rabbis you are not following halacha and bringing curses down on the world."



They themselves regularly poke at Shas as well. Now its something they are in agreement with so now its "gedolim" argument again
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4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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Re: Jews are banned from praying at the temple mount
« Reply #36 on: November 09, 2014, 02:27:37 PM »
Kwrbt write it. Perhaps it will be put on JTF
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4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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Re: Jews are banned from praying at the temple mount
« Reply #37 on: November 09, 2014, 02:54:41 PM »
Shas is one of the supremest forms of evil in Israel.

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Re: Jews are banned from praying at the temple mount
« Reply #38 on: November 09, 2014, 03:35:23 PM »
They are ^^ voluntarily hiding the real motive of the Divine plan in order to keep privileges they are receiving, they are in agreement with the evil israeli government in order to prevent any change on the temple mount, Israel should taught the Hareidim that taking possession of Jewish lands and built the temple is a divine commandment that should not wait the coming Moshiah in that sense they are doing more wrondoing to Israel that good.

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Re: Jews are banned from praying at the temple mount
« Reply #39 on: November 10, 2014, 08:02:00 PM »
Yosef instructs Pipi to close the Har Habyis to Jews permanently
http://www.inn.co.il/News/News.aspx/286970

Chaim said that Shas is "the most unbelievably evil party in Israel" & that his father Ovadiya was "completely demented", & his son is following like his father. Those Sefards, which is most of them, who still continue to worship the Yosefs will not be zocheh to witness the Hisgalus!

Everything about a Yosef face is wrong, wrong, wrong!



The Kabbalah speaks about sheidim - demons- who take on the guise & appearance of a talmid chochom, but their goal is to demoralize the Am Yisroel!
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Re: Jews are banned from praying at the temple mount
« Reply #40 on: November 10, 2014, 09:21:31 PM »
I would advocate with G-d, guns and brazen glory we, the Jewish people, storm the Temple Mount and pray in our own land in our own Holy Place!!    Every Jew who dies attempting to reach the Mount to make tefillot receives a special reward in Olam HaBah.

How long will we kiss the a$ses of the Anti-Jewish vermin?   We cannot kvetch forever.. Sooner or later, we must take action!
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Re: Jews are banned from praying at the temple mount
« Reply #41 on: November 10, 2014, 09:54:19 PM »
I would advocate with G-d, guns and brazen glory we, the Jewish people, storm the Temple Mount and pray in our own land in our own Holy Place!!    Every Jew who dies attempting to reach the Mount to make tefillot receives a special reward in Olam HaBah.

How long will we kiss the a$ses of the Anti-Jewish vermin?   We cannot kvetch forever.. Sooner or later, we must take action!

 You still need to know where you can go (by Jewish law) and if from where going to Mikwah beforehand is a necessity.
   + If one will die anyway why would they do so in this fashion when they can at least take down as many mudrats as possible in the process as well? And I don't mean here in this situation with many police that will definitely stop you beforehand. If hypnotically speaking one would already get guns and be willing to die, then at least make it count and their are many places of "terrorism preaching" available.
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4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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Re: Jews are banned from praying at the temple mount
« Reply #42 on: November 15, 2014, 08:56:13 PM »
I get a kick out of the Hassidum.  They don't reconize the state of Israel, but when Israel is attacked, they are the first ones to pray by the wailing wall.  If that's not hypicrital(please excuse my poor spelling) I don't know what is

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Re: Jews are banned from praying at the temple mount
« Reply #43 on: November 15, 2014, 09:50:36 PM »
I get a kick out of the Hassidum.  They don't reconize the state of Israel, but when Israel is attacked, they are the first ones to pray by the wailing wall.  If that's not hypicrital(please excuse my poor spelling) I don't know what is

 These aren't Hassidim. Its more complicated than that.
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4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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Re: Jews are banned from praying at the temple mount
« Reply #44 on: November 15, 2014, 11:38:16 PM »
These aren't Hassidim. Its more complicated than that.

Seriously, what Tag said.
Joe if I remember correcctly you're Jewish, right?  If so, get informed and educated to know who is who and what's what.  Otherwise you do yourself a disservice and can hardly attempt to comment on these matters let alone understand them.

More than that, how can you decide on your own role within Jewish society if so unaware of all the issues and the history of our heritage along with its present day manifestations?   You need to give yourself a chance to truly learn about the subject of your own identity that was passed down by your family for generations and generations.  It's depriving yourself otherwise.

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Re: Jews are banned from praying at the temple mount
« Reply #45 on: December 28, 2014, 06:48:44 PM »
Yosef instructs Pipi to close the Har Habyis to Jews permanently
http://www.inn.co.il/News/News.aspx/286970

Chaim said that Shas is "the most unbelievably evil party in Israel" & that his father Ovadiya was "completely demented", & his son is following like his father. Those Sefards, which is most of them, who still continue to worship the Yosefs will not be zocheh to witness the Hisgalus!

Everything about a Yosef face is wrong, wrong, wrong!



The Kabbalah speaks about sheidim - demons- who take on the guise & appearance of a talmid chochom, but their goal is to demoralize the Am Yisroel!

Trollua, I'm pretty sure Chaim never said Rav Ovadia was "completely demented". Did you perhaps come across the comment elsewhere? 
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Re: Jews are banned from praying at the temple mount
« Reply #46 on: December 28, 2014, 11:40:30 PM »
I'm pretty sure that a threatened boycott by Christian pilgrims, etc. would open the TM up.

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Re: Jews are banned from praying at the temple mount
« Reply #47 on: December 30, 2014, 10:11:40 AM »
That belongs only to the Jews.
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Re: Jews are banned from praying at the temple mount
« Reply #48 on: December 30, 2014, 12:56:37 PM »
¨^Israeli Jews deep asleep low national self esteem which enough on any country in the world to provoke revolution, there must be uprising in telaviv streets where people are quick to take offense on any breach of democracy that could violate illegal foreigners making headline on israel tvchannels upholding religious freedom as long as Jews aren't involved.