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hp:
--- Quote from: newman on August 18, 2007, 07:51:45 AM ---You people do NOTHING to oppose jihadists. When has there ever been a large islamic protest against radical islam/jihad outside of Turkey?................NEVER, that's when.
Saying jihadists aren't real muslims is taqqiya (islamic deception). It would be like saying the inquisitors of Spain weren't real catholics. It's not true. They were. It is christianity and catholicism that CHANGED. There is NO CHANGE comming from within islam.
There was NEVER equallity for non-muslims in any islamic regime. Non-muslims lived in dhimmitude as 2nd class citizens........as REQUIRED by islam.
Islam is not a religion but a vicious, violent, savage arab death cult. It's founder mohammerhead was a violent terrorist, slave trader, child mollester and rapist. Those who truly follow his teachings are NO better.
You may NOT be a nazi. My point is that if you are NOT a jihadist it is YOU who is not the real muslim. Good for you, BTW.
--- End quote ---
There isn't a very large population of Muslims outside of Turkey to stage such a protest, except in the Middle East, where the freedoms taken for granted in the Western world are considered nothing more than a mere dream. Nonetheless, Muslims ought to do more to renounce Jihadists.
I said that the Jihadists aren't Muslims since they do things that are explicitly forbidden in the Kuran.
There is change coming within Islam and there is a large number of moderate Muslims such as yours truly who are pushing towards change, but I will agree with you, Islam hasn't changed nearly enough.
Islam does indeed teach inner peace and moderation, the image of Islam you have is created by terrorists whom no sensible man would support, be he Muslim, Jewish or Christian.
HiWarp:
--- Quote from: hp on August 18, 2007, 08:01:21 AM ---
--- Quote from: newman on August 18, 2007, 07:51:45 AM ---You people do NOTHING to oppose jihadists. When has there ever been a large islamic protest against radical islam/jihad outside of Turkey?................NEVER, that's when.
Saying jihadists aren't real muslims is taqqiya (islamic deception). It would be like saying the inquisitors of Spain weren't real catholics. It's not true. They were. It is christianity and catholicism that CHANGED. There is NO CHANGE comming from within islam.
There was NEVER equallity for non-muslims in any islamic regime. Non-muslims lived in dhimmitude as 2nd class citizens........as REQUIRED by islam.
Islam is not a religion but a vicious, violent, savage arab death cult. It's founder mohammerhead was a violent terrorist, slave trader, child mollester and rapist. Those who truly follow his teachings are NO better.
You may NOT be a nazi. My point is that if you are NOT a jihadist it is YOU who is not the real muslim. Good for you, BTW.
--- End quote ---
There isn't a very large population of Muslims outside of Turkey to stage such a protest, except in the Middle East, where the freedoms taken for granted in the Western world are considered nothing more than a mere dream. Muslims should do more to renounce the Jihadists, I agree.
I said that the Jihadists aren't Muslims since they do things that are explicitly forbidden in the Kuran.
There is change coming within Islam and there is a large number of moderate Muslims such as yours truly who are pushing towards change, but I will agree with you, Islam hasn't changed nearly enough.
Islam does indeed teach inner peace and moderation, the image of Islam you have is created by terrorists whom no sensible man would support, be he Muslim, Jewish or Christian.
--- End quote ---
2.5 million Muslims in Albania
4 million in France
3 million in Germany
133 million in India
1.3 million in Japan
10.5 million in the Philippines
26 million in Russia
1.5 million in the U.K.
10 million in the U.S.
Last time I checked none of the above countries were in the Middle East.
newman:
--- Quote from: hp on August 18, 2007, 08:01:21 AM ---
--- Quote from: newman on August 18, 2007, 07:51:45 AM ---You people do NOTHING to oppose jihadists. When has there ever been a large islamic protest against radical islam/jihad outside of Turkey?................NEVER, that's when.
Saying jihadists aren't real muslims is taqqiya (islamic deception). It would be like saying the inquisitors of Spain weren't real catholics. It's not true. They were. It is christianity and catholicism that CHANGED. There is NO CHANGE comming from within islam.
There was NEVER equallity for non-muslims in any islamic regime. Non-muslims lived in dhimmitude as 2nd class citizens........as REQUIRED by islam.
Islam is not a religion but a vicious, violent, savage arab death cult. It's founder mohammerhead was a violent terrorist, slave trader, child mollester and rapist. Those who truly follow his teachings are NO better.
You may NOT be a nazi. My point is that if you are NOT a jihadist it is YOU who is not the real muslim. Good for you, BTW.
--- End quote ---
There isn't a very large population of Muslims outside of Turkey to stage such a protest, except in the Middle East, where the freedoms taken for granted in the Western world are considered nothing more than a mere dream. Nonetheless, Muslims ought to do more to renounce Jihadists.
I said that the Jihadists aren't Muslims since they do things that are explicitly forbidden in the Kuran.
There is change coming within Islam and there is a large number of moderate Muslims such as yours truly who are pushing towards change, but I will agree with you, Islam hasn't changed nearly enough.
Islam does indeed teach inner peace and moderation, the image of Islam you have is created by terrorists whom no sensible man would support, be he Muslim, Jewish or Christian.
--- End quote ---
There are 300,000 muslims in Australia, 5,000,000 in the USA and 20,000,000+ in Europe. Every single one of which has total freedom but NEVER (repeat NEVER) makes even the slightest attempt to demonstrate against jihadist islam.
Europeans were once ruled over by despotic kings but they rose up and overthrough them. Why can't muslims do the same? Even when middle eastern muslims have a chance at democracy, they vote for Jihadist parties! So don't give me the 'no freedom' excuse.
hp:
You are right about the populations. Maybe I should have mentioned concentrations, but then again that would have left a few countries.
But then again: http://www.google.com/search?q=muslim+protest+against+terrorism
A cursory glance reveals protests against terrorism in Bahrain and Turkey.
So your argument is basically that all Muslims support the terrorists because you do not see large scale weekly protests against terrorism in countries with a sizeable Muslim population?
newman:
--- Quote from: hp on August 18, 2007, 08:27:22 AM ---You are right about the populations. Maybe I should have mentioned concentrations, but then again that would have left a few countries.
But then again: http://www.google.com/search?q=muslim+protest+against+terrorism
A cursory glance reveals protests against terrorism in Bahrain and Turkey.
So your argument is basically that all Muslims support the terrorists because you do not see large scale weekly protests against terrorism in countries with a sizeable Muslim population?
--- End quote ---
Don't play games. The protests don't have to be weekly at all.
The problem is there are NO protests. Weekly, monthly, quarterly or yearly. NONE.
Not even prominent islamic community leaders voicing opposition in the media.
SILENCE=APPROVAL.
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