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hp:
--- Quote from: newman on August 18, 2007, 07:27:03 AM ---
--- Quote from: hp on August 18, 2007, 07:19:25 AM ---
--- Quote from: newman on August 18, 2007, 07:14:51 AM ---Islam calls for the death, dhimmitude or forced conversion of all non-muslims. If you don't agree with this, then you are NOT a muslim.
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Actually, forced conversion is strictly forbidden. As is the killing of innocent people. One is allowed to kill during battle.
One cannot generalise all Muslims based on the ideology of the radical brainwashed Jihadists who call themselves Muslim.
It would be analogous to arguing that all Jews are Kahanists.
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The islamic definition of an 'innocent' person is not the same as the western one. Any western civilian who supports a non-muslim army and opposes islam is not innocent as far as islam is concerned.
Islam forced conversions all over the world. History shows it. To say it is not allowed is taqqiya.
Islam is as islam does. When catholics were murdering Jews, that's what catholicism called for. Islam is what the muslims do. You so-called moderates do NOTHING repeat NOTHING to oppose jihadists. Therefor you agree with them.
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The Jihadist definition of an 'innocent' person is not shared by the vast majority of Muslims, at least the Muslims I know, and I know a very large number of Muslims from all over the world.
That is not to say that there were no forced conversions to Islam by those who claim to follow it, but then again, forced conversions aren't anything out of the ordinary in the Christian world either. I can't say that I've ever heard of forced conversion to Judaism though.
While the Europeans were killing each other for being the wrong type of Christian, the Ottoman Empire gave a fairly considerate amount of religious freedom, especially if you consider things like the Spanish Inquisition.
I do all that I can and I have denounced every jihadist, as has every Muslim I know. I do not consider jihadists Muslim, as murdering innocent people and suicide are strictly forbidden. To me they are simply poor, stupid and disillusioned people who were brainwashed into such horrendous acts.
What can I do to stop being a Nazi in your eyes?
hp:
--- Quote from: Ultra Requete on August 18, 2007, 07:27:46 AM ---Nazis didn't called for extermination of all people "only" the Jews, Gipsies, Slavic upper classes of inteligentia (educated) and nobles (leaders) and other undeserables in Nazi NWO. The Bosnian muslims were priviliged ones in Himler envisioned European Union, even admitted to waffen-SS. Welcome anyway.
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Yes you are right the Muslim Nazi unit, but there were also a large number of Christian Nazi units, and the whole of Croatia was converted into a Nazi puppet regime that even today has followers.
The fact is that the vast majority of the Yugoslavs opposed the Nazis. A number supported the Chetniks, who sought to re-instate the Karadjordjevic dynasty, and a much larger number supported Tito and the Partisans who did not terrorise the local populations as did the other two.
HiWarp:
--- Quote from: hp on August 18, 2007, 07:36:53 AM ---While the Europeans were killing each other for being the wrong type of Christian, the Ottoman Empire gave a fairly considerate amount of religious freedom, especially if you consider things like the Spanish Inquisition.
I do all that I can and I have denounced every jihadist, as has every Muslim I know. I do not consider jihadists Muslim, as murdering innocent people and suicide are strictly forbidden. To me they are simply poor, stupid and disillusioned people who were brainwashed into such horrendous acts.
What can I do to stop being a Nazi in your eyes?
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I can't speak for others but for me you can stop touting the "fairness" of the Ottoman Empire.
hp:
--- Quote from: HiWarp on August 18, 2007, 07:45:25 AM ---I can't speak for others but for me you can stop touting the "fairness" of the Ottoman Empire.
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The Ottoman Empire wasn't fair by any means, and there was discrimination based on religion (non-Muslims had to pay higher taxes, Christian boys taken as slaves, non-Muslims couldn't work for the gov't etc..), I am just saying that when talking about the Ottoman Empire one ought to consider the situation in Europe at the time.
newman:
--- Quote from: hp on August 18, 2007, 07:36:53 AM ---
--- Quote from: newman on August 18, 2007, 07:27:03 AM ---
--- Quote from: hp on August 18, 2007, 07:19:25 AM ---
--- Quote from: newman on August 18, 2007, 07:14:51 AM ---Islam calls for the death, dhimmitude or forced conversion of all non-muslims. If you don't agree with this, then you are NOT a muslim.
--- End quote ---
Actually, forced conversion is strictly forbidden. As is the killing of innocent people. One is allowed to kill during battle.
One cannot generalise all Muslims based on the ideology of the radical brainwashed Jihadists who call themselves Muslim.
It would be analogous to arguing that all Jews are Kahanists.
--- End quote ---
The islamic definition of an 'innocent' person is not the same as the western one. Any western civilian who supports a non-muslim army and opposes islam is not innocent as far as islam is concerned.
Islam forced conversions all over the world. History shows it. To say it is not allowed is taqqiya.
Islam is as islam does. When catholics were murdering Jews, that's what catholicism called for. Islam is what the muslims do. You so-called moderates do NOTHING repeat NOTHING to oppose jihadists. Therefor you agree with them.
--- End quote ---
The Jihadist definition of an 'innocent' person is not shared by the vast majority of Muslims, at least the Muslims I know, and I know a very large number of Muslims from all over the world.
That is not to say that there were no forced conversions to Islam by those who claim to follow it, but then again, forced conversions aren't anything out of the ordinary in the Christian world either. I can't say that I've ever heard of forced conversion to Judaism though.
While the Europeans were killing each other for being the wrong type of Christian, the Ottoman Empire gave a fairly considerate amount of religious freedom, especially if you consider things like the Spanish Inquisition.
I do all that I can and I have denounced every jihadist, as has every Muslim I know. I do not consider jihadists Muslim, as murdering innocent people and suicide are strictly forbidden. To me they are simply poor, stupid and disillusioned people who were brainwashed into such horrendous acts.
What can I do to stop being a Nazi in your eyes?
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You people do NOTHING to oppose jihadists. When has there ever been a large islamic protest against radical islam/jihad outside of Turkey?................NEVER, that's when.
Saying jihadists aren't real muslims is taqqiya (islamic deception). It would be like saying the inquisitors of Spain weren't real catholics. It's not true. They were. It is christianity and catholicism that CHANGED. There is NO CHANGE comming from within islam.
There was NEVER equallity for non-muslims in any islamic regime. Non-muslims lived in dhimmitude as 2nd class citizens........as REQUIRED by islam.
Islam is not a religion but a vicious, violent, savage arab death cult. It's founder mohammerhead was a violent terrorist, slave trader, child mollester and rapist. Those who truly follow his teachings are NO better.
You may NOT be a nazi. My point is that if you are NOT a jihadist it is YOU who is not the real muslim. Good for you, BTW.
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