Look at Ayman Shalash / Orim Shimshon committing Lashon Hara by trying to smear Chaim with murder:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/ZionistFederationUK/10153253999452863Ayman Shalash
The extremists on both left and right are bad. On the left you have yachad who were exposed on Richard millets blog. On the right you have the JTF Headed by Chaim Ben pesach aka Victor vancier. He is openly racist towards blacks and hates gay people. He even calls Jews k*kes and kapos. Low life. He has no dignity either he begged for donations from millionaires on his vlog
Robert Bartholomew
At least Chaim doesn't rat on his friends when bullied by the police like you did ayman.
And Chaim just did an interview with his friend Pastor Manning, a black guy.
Homosexuality is not allowed in Judaism. You can't blame Chaim for being true to Judaism. Apart from that he never injured anyone nor does he preach violence.
Comparing him with the far left who openly support terrorists does not make a point.
http://www.jdl-uk.org/2015/03/uk-judge-favours-assailants-over-jewish.htmlAyman Shalash
Just because he interviewed a black guy doesn't give him the right to use racial slurs against blacks. He calls gays f*gs. He uses the two k word's. He is fringe and thankfully he is shunned by mainstream Jewry. Above all he is banned from entering Israel. I just came back from Israel recently I was there for three weeks.
Ayman Shalash
That is a fringe blog nobody takes seriously, the lies on it are so blatant, not even worth exposing
Robert Bartholomew
You are not refuting any points. Joan Rivers donated money to JTF. Do you really think people don't listen to him?
Mark Dines
How can we overcome our enemies with the level of vitriolic comments that this page has turned into? It is going the way of so many others and just becomimg a page that crackpots seem tpo be attaching themselves. As I dont consider myself to be a crackpot, i feel forced to leave rather than witness the bullying that occurs.
Ayman Shalash
I did. He uses slurs against blacks. Your point about pastor manning is a nonsensical argument. As for Joann rivers donations. I doubt it. Even if it is true. Just a one off. But unlikely
Ayman Shalash
Looool who listens to a Chaim Ben pesach. Nobody is screaming for his ban from Israel to be removed. Because nobody likes him. He has no credibility amongst Jews
Robert Bartholomew
No you didn't. You are just complaining about Chaim who talks to blacks like jesse jackson, louis farakhan and al sharpton, rabid jew-haters, like they talk.
You are not refuting any of his political or religious points is what you should have read. And you didn't.
You know what they say right, there is no such thing as bad publicity. Chaim thanks you for bringing him up here.
As for his credibility. Ask Natan Sharanksy what Chaim has sacrificed for his freedom.
Ayman Shalash
Actually Chaim Ben pesach has advocated of paying black people to leave America to Africa and not allowed back. He was talking about blacks in general. He mocked the new Orleans disaster. There is no evidence of him receiving donations from Joann rivers.
Ayman Shalash
As for him attacking anti Semites. He uses anti Semitic slurs against Jews the k word. That is disgusting
Paul Murphy
Joseph Cohen: “Can someone remind me why Tommy left the EDL? Oh yeah, that's right... because he said it had been taken over by Nazis...”
That's not disputed. And there will be right-wing Zionists on this page who were well aware of that at the time and still today. The Nazi infiltration of the EDL is similar, as I said, to the communist and Trotskyist infiltration of the Labour Party. Are there any communist or Trotskyist Labour Party supporters on this page? I know there are many.
Did Tommy say that the EDL was “taken over by Nazis” or that it had proved impossible to get rid of the Nazi element? (Like the Labour Party's struggles with the Marxist Militant in the 1980s.)
The other thing is that Robinson is thinking of returning to the EDL. Now do you really believe that if the EDL got rid of all its Nazis, then, all of a sudden, Leftists/Marxists would miraculously stop criticising it and accusing it of being 'racist' and 'Nazi'? Of course they wouldn't! To communists and Trotskyists, literally ALL patriots and those against Islam are racists and/or Nazis. It really is that simple.
“.... if the founder of the EDL left because there were too many Nazis - what the hell are Jews doing supporting it?....”
What are left-wing Jews doing supporting left-wing groups who are ceaselessly working towards the annihilation of Israel? Do you point your finger at the Marxist/Leftist tradition of Jew-hatred which pre-dates the creation of modern Israel by some 100 years and which even pre-dates the formation of the German Nazi Party by some 70 years?
Socialist Jew-hatred began with Marx and reached a momentum amongst socialists in the late 19th century – at the same time as modern Zionism. Thus it had nothing to do with Israel and nothing to do with Zionism. It was a racially essentialist position which socialists adopted and which saw irredeemable links between Jews and capitalism.
Ayman Shalash
The admins need to rid this group of anyone supporting racists like Chaim Ben pesach.
Robert Bartholomew
You're so tolerant ayman. I thought your general consensus was that no one listens to Chaim anyway and he is nothing but a harmless fool...
Oh well, if you can't win an argument, you can always try to get people to shut up. It's the communist way.
PS Chaim has darkskinned people in his family. He was interviewed by black pastor Manning 5 times now and a lot of his supporters are arab Jews.
Seeing how obama's black followers are ravaging Baltimore really doesn't make Chaim look bad when he addresses these type of peole the way he does.
Joseph Cohen
Paul, Proudhon, Marx, Bakunin were all antisemites... but their antisemitism was incomparable to the antisemitism of the far right.
So what do we learn from this? Antisemitism spans all Western political philosophies and we, Jews, shouldn't attach ourselves to any poltical group whos supporters espouse Jew hatred... be it the EDL or the UAF.
Robert, Victor Vancier is a convicted terrorist - anyone praising him should be removed from this group. Period.
Robert Bartholomew
Ah, another communist. Victor Vancier never injured anyone. How is he a terrorist?
Ayman Shalash
Actually one woman died from the canister Chaim Ben pesach set off. She was the Secretary.Robert Bartholomew
Chaim did not release that cannister. Where is your proof? You seem to always want proof...
Joseph Cohen
He is a convicted terrorist... there are pretty strong anti-terror laws in the UK. The admins should remove this JDL guy before the ZF finds itself in trouble.
Ayman Shalash
Omg he released tear gas. The poor woman suffocated.Robert Bartholomew
Lol, you so funny. A terrorist is people who go out and kill people.
How would the zf get into any trouble? You support the anti fascists. These are the real violent people.
Robert Bartholomew
Ayman, stop lying. No person suffocated due to Chaim, if that was true you would post evidence.
Robert Bartholomew
Communists always try to shut people up who are not sharing their believe system. Interesting to see how many 'zionists' revert to the same tactics.
Did you notice how I never used ad hominems or asked for people to be removed? It is easy to argue when you're right.
Ayman Shalash
I Will get it. H
Chaim Ben pesach belongs in the gutter
Paul Murphy
“Joseph Cohen: "Proudhon, Marx, Bakunin were all antisemites... but there antisemitism was incomparable to the antisemitism of the far right."
Why was their anti-Semitism “incomparable to that of the the far right”? Simply because it was in the 19th century and you yourself are a Leftist? Because it didn't lead to a Trotskyist or communist Holocaust of Jews?
Since Marx never led a state, then obviously not. Though many Marxists every since have been anti-Semitic. Indeed in the 1960s there even began a tradition of Leftist Holocaust denial and that's stronger today than it has been since the 1960s.
Then there was Stalin, the Doctors' Plot, the Leftist Jew-hatred in the eastern European socialist regimes, etc.
“So what do we learn from this? Antisemitism spans all Western political philosophies and we, Jews, shouldn't attach ourselves to any political group that espouses Jew hatred... be it the EDL or the UAF.”
True. Though why have you only singled out Unite Against Fascism? Virtually every Marxist party in the 20th century was anti-Israel and also Jew-hating – at least after 1948 and certainly after 1967. The Soviet Union was ambivalent about Israel until the 1960s. And then against it.
The UAF, which is a front of the Socialist Workers Party, is far more anti-Semitic than the EDL because it is doctrinal – written into its beliefs – with that group. With the EDL, it simply had Nazi elements or tangential connections. (I don't know what the situation is today.) The SWP-UAF believes that Israel shouldn't exist. The EDL believed that it should exist and supported it. A big difference, wouldn't you say?
In any case, are you really also against UAF or are you just saying that in order to prove a point? The Labour Party is very much pro-UAF. (Weyman Bennett, a leader of UAF, said: "You Israelis should all go back to New York or wherever it is you come from.")
Ayman Shalash
You said Joann rivers donated to him. You couldn't prove it
Joseph Cohen
He was jailed sentenced to 10 years in jail for terrorism, he served five. You dont do five years unless you've committed a serious crime. He was also arrested for numerous other terror acts.
This group has sure attracted the crackpots... EDL and terrorist sympathisers.
Robert Bartholomew
I don't have to. I'm not the one getting upset with other peoples comments and trying to convince people about how bad someone else is...
Robert Bartholomew
what was he sentenced for? For injuring people?
Apparently, lying to the police gets you 5 years in prison in the uk.
Ask ayman, he's an expert on these issues.
Ayman Shalash
The only people that follow Chaim Ben pesach are those who laugh at him. The guy is a joke. Who the Hell begs millionaires for donations ,'to get the word out'. He is a fraud
Ayman Shalash
Lying to the police is a serious criminal offence especially if you are questioned about a crime
Robert Bartholomew
I think you should focus on your next silent protest ayman.
Gary Jonathan
Joseph are you aware of the extent of persecution of jews in the old Soviet Union. They were arrested for even going to synagogue ffs. and you cal yourself a Communist
Joseph Cohen
Paul the antisemitism you've heard from the UAF probably came from a website I ran for two years (exposing their anti-Jewish bigotry).
Again you have no idea who I am or where I stand.
Ayman Shalash
Will you condemn anders breivik?
Robert Bartholomew
I don't have to.
Robert Bartholomew
How does that prove your point?
Joseph Cohen
Robert pipe down and do your community service.
Robert Bartholomew
Go smash some property with your anti fascist friends. You're the real criminal.
Gary Jonathan
Joseph are u going to amswer my question abou the Soviet Union?
Robert Bartholomew
Still can't win with arguments can you joseph?
Joseph Cohen
Gary, I'm very aware of Stalinist antisemitism and his views on the "cosmopolitan bourgeoisie".
Paul Murphy
I don't think there are any EDL on this page. I supported the EDL until 2011.... I'm pointing out the double standards towards the far right as compared to the far left... Far Left good: far right bad.
Ayman Shalash
Anders breiviks bombed buildings in Oslo. Who is he to try and take someone else's life?
Gary Jonathan
Jospeh it was evenb after Stalin, it was through the 50s,60s,70s and 80s
Robert Bartholomew
Dont ask me, I dont know the guy ayman. What are you trying to prove? You are terrible at winning arguments ayman. Give it up.
Paul Murphy
I'm against what Anders Breivik did. And I'm right-wing.
Gary Jonathan
Have you heard of Natan Sharansky?
Joseph Cohen
In my mind the distinction is some far left are bad... while ALL far right are bad.
Robert Bartholomew
Can't argue with idiots. Time to walk the dogs.
Gary Jonathan
Jospeh what do you define as far right?
?/ Anyone whos against mass immigration? Anyone who is against Islamization?
Paul Murphy
"In my mind the distinction is some far left are bad... while ALL far right are bad.".... Why?
Paul Murphy
Joseph Cohen: I hope you're not saying that the far left who support Israel are good and those that don't are bad. I personally don't know any Trotskyists or communists who support Israel.
Paul Murphy
... not even those Leftist academics in Israel itself....