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OdKahaneChai:

--- Quote from: ftf on September 02, 2007, 04:58:49 PM ---DanBenNoah: No christian will ever even suggest that any G-d exists but Hashem.

OdKahaneChai: If becoming a christian is spiritual death, it would mean that I am spiritually dead, last I checked I was still alive, well, happy, and in possession of a good relationship with G-d.

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For a Jew it certainly is.  Tell me ftf, have you ever been Jewish?

ftf:

--- Quote from: OdKahaneChai on September 02, 2007, 05:00:56 PM ---
--- Quote from: ftf on September 02, 2007, 04:58:49 PM ---DanBenNoah: No christian will ever even suggest that any G-d exists but Hashem.

OdKahaneChai: If becoming a christian is spiritual death, it would mean that I am spiritually dead, last I checked I was still alive, well, happy, and in possession of a good relationship with G-d.

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For a Jew it certainly is.  Tell me ftf, have you ever been Jewish?

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Born and raised christian, but if you're talking about bloodlines, my mother's mother's mother was Jewish (she died in a nazi gas chamber)

If it is spiritual death for a Jew to become a christian it means that Christianity is a false religion, all of the first Christian's were Jews, in fact it weas a major departure to preach Christianity to gentiles, there was (for a very short period of time) an argument amoung the apostles over whether gentiles deserved to learn the christian message, some wanted it and thwe happiness that went with it to be kept strictly for Jews, I could go on, but I don't see the point.

I'll just leave it bluntly, if you are right, christianity is a load of rubbish. And I will not accept that idea, not for a second, I have felt the presence of G-d, I know the religion I follow to be the truth.

(I'm sorry Jeffguy, but about some things I cannot stand idly by, I would rather be banned than not respond in this circumstance.)

OdKahaneChai:

--- Quote from: ftf on September 02, 2007, 05:07:20 PM ---
--- Quote from: OdKahaneChai on September 02, 2007, 05:00:56 PM ---
--- Quote from: ftf on September 02, 2007, 04:58:49 PM ---DanBenNoah: No christian will ever even suggest that any G-d exists but Hashem.

OdKahaneChai: If becoming a christian is spiritual death, it would mean that I am spiritually dead, last I checked I was still alive, well, happy, and in possession of a good relationship with G-d.

--- End quote ---
For a Jew it certainly is.  Tell me ftf, have you ever been Jewish?

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Born and raised christian, but if you're talking about bloodlines, my mother's mother's mother was Jewish (she died in a nazi gas chamber)

If it is spiritual death for a Jew to become a christian it means that Christianity is a false religion, all of the first Christian's were Jews, in fact it weas a major departure to preach Christianity to gentiles, there was (for a very short period of time) an argument amoung the apostles over whether gentiles deserved to learn the christian message, some wanted it and thwe happiness that went with it to be kept strictly for Jews, I could go on, but I don't see the point.

I'll just leave it bluntly, if you are right, christianity is a load of rubbish. And I will not accept that idea, not for a second, I have felt the presence of G-d, I know the religion I follow to be the truth.

(I'm sorry Jeffguy, but about some things I cannot stand idly by, I would rather be banned than not respond in this circumstance.)

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Well then, technically, you are Jewish - this is even sadder.

Now, let me make this very clear - it is spiritual death for a Jew to convert to any other religion!  If Buddhists sent missionaries to Israel to try to convert Jews, they would deserve to die too.  But they don't.  Any missionary from any religion who goes to Israel to try to convert Jews deserves to die.

ftf:
In your opinion.

OdKahaneChai:
Of course - and in Judaism's as well.

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