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G-d, The Big Bang, non or both?
OdKahaneChai:
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--- Quote from: OdKahaneChai on September 08, 2007, 10:05:12 PM ---Well, first of all, the Bang Theory says that the universe is billions and billions of years old. The universe is 5,767 (soon to be 5,768 - yesterday was the 5,768th anniversary of the first day of Creation) years old. There should be no dispute here as far as that.
Second of all, from solely a scientific standpoint I just don't think it makes sense. That much matter in such an infinitely small space would have such a strong gravitational pull that it would never just break apart like that. And then there are a lot of other things that just don't add up. See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang#Horizon_problem
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5,768 years have past since the creation was OVER, I think that the other 6 "days" were actually 15 bilion years .
You should read the book "The Science of G-d" (Gerald Schroeder) .
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No - the second day of Rosh Hashanah will be 5,768 years since the end of creation. And yes I have heard of Gerald Schroeder and I respect his opinion but I simply disagree with him.
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Why ?
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Because the majority of the orthodox community does not agree with him.
Dexter:
--- Quote from: OdKahaneChai on September 09, 2007, 12:52:59 PM ---
--- Quote from: Dexter on September 09, 2007, 12:31:25 PM ---
--- Quote from: OdKahaneChai on September 09, 2007, 11:58:16 AM ---
--- Quote from: Dexter on September 09, 2007, 08:44:22 AM ---
--- Quote from: OdKahaneChai on September 08, 2007, 10:05:12 PM ---Well, first of all, the Bang Theory says that the universe is billions and billions of years old. The universe is 5,767 (soon to be 5,768 - yesterday was the 5,768th anniversary of the first day of Creation) years old. There should be no dispute here as far as that.
Second of all, from solely a scientific standpoint I just don't think it makes sense. That much matter in such an infinitely small space would have such a strong gravitational pull that it would never just break apart like that. And then there are a lot of other things that just don't add up. See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang#Horizon_problem
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5,768 years have past since the creation was OVER, I think that the other 6 "days" were actually 15 bilion years .
You should read the book "The Science of G-d" (Gerald Schroeder) .
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No - the second day of Rosh Hashanah will be 5,768 years since the end of creation. And yes I have heard of Gerald Schroeder and I respect his opinion but I simply disagree with him.
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Why ?
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Because the majority of the orthodox community does not agree with him.
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Here are somee prooves for the big bang :
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/astronomy/bigbang.html
TheStore:
If there was a big bang, there was previously nothing. Then, there was something. Creationism and the big bang are esentialy the same, except one happens over a much longer time frame. I believe the universe is 5,768 years old, as the Torah says this is how old the world is. G-d created the universe in a state that we would see as much older than it is to test our faith.
Rubystars:
The Big Bang is a great theory and one that theists, especially monotheists, should appreciate.
It is one of the very few scientific options for the universe having a definite beginning. Of course, some theories incorporate the Big Bang by claiming multiple Big Bang cycles, or bubbling universes, but that in itself doesn't rule out a Divine hand behind creating these universes.
The fact that there is a definite beginning, at least to our own little bubble or universe, is important to allowing for a creating Deity. A universe that exists infinitely backward in time would not need to be created, you see.
Therefore we should embrace the Big Bang theory if we are to have faith in the supernatural.
Dexter:
--- Quote from: TheJewishStore on September 23, 2007, 05:42:35 PM ---If there was a big bang, there was previously nothing. Then, there was something. Creationism and the big bang are esentialy the same, except one happens over a much longer time frame. I believe the universe is 5,768 years old, as the Torah says this is how old the world is. G-d created the universe in a state that we would see as much older than it is to test our faith.
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