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jdl4ever:
My Rabbi is R' Meir Kahane Zs'l and I trust the account of someone who told me that he asked R' Kahane about the Zohar and he replied that he was unsure whether it was really written by R' Shimon Bar Yochai or not. I also trust the account of Rabbi Yitzchak of Acco who investigated the matter when the Zohar was written and found out it was forged. What, you Tzvi don't find it interesting that the guy's wife and daughter swore that the Zohar was forged and their husband and father never had a manuscript?
The web site you offer only has the 1st page of the 100 or so pages in Pirkei D'rebbe Eliazar. The story is one or two pages later and I'll quote it if you want me to.
Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
--- Quote from: jdl4ever on November 19, 2007, 10:37:39 PM ---My Rabbi is R' Meir Kahane Zs'l and I trust the account of someone who told me that he asked R' Kahane about the Zohar and he replied that he was unsure whether it was really written by R' Shimon Bar Yochai or not. I also trust the account of Rabbi Yitzchak of Acco who investigated the matter when the Zohar was written and found out it was forged. What, you Tzvi don't find it interesting that the guy's wife and daughter swore that the Zohar was forged and their husband and father never had a manuscript?
The web site you offer only has the 1st page of the 100 or so pages in Pirkei D'rebbe Eliazar. The story is one or two pages later and I'll quote it if you want me to.
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I do recall both Rav Kahane and his son quoting the Zohar a couple of times in their Seferim- both in Ore Harayon and in the Haggadah Shel Pessah. Anyway with all due respect to Rav Kahane, he no longer is alive with us, so you should get a Rabbi for yourself.
+ I belive and trust Rabbis like the Arizal and the multitude of the Rabbanim who hold the Torah ideas that you unfortunatly think arent Judaism. The Arizal was able to see people and know who they were before and also many many deep interesting things. Also which souls are in leaves or different animals soo many deep secrets upon secrets.
Even if what that person said about Rav Kahane not being sure, that still isnt a good proof becuase its threw a third party asking the Rabbi and the answer being not sure, and not an out right no. In fact I dont belive that their are authentic Rabbis who claim what you claim, just a very few people who limit their knowledge of the Torah only to Tannah and the Talmud. Its like fundamenatalist christians saying that only the literal Bible is authentic without the Talmud.
Your claim about the wife and mother- who ssaid they said that? anyway theirs a good reason a womens testimony isnt accepted and it cant be used as proof ;) .
jdl4ever:
I can name for you several respectable Rabbis who reject the teachings of Kabbalah including the famous Rabbi Yaakov Emden who you might have heard of.
Rabbi Saadia Gaon teaches in his book Emunot v'Deot that Jews who believe in reincarnation have adopted a non-Jewish belief. Around the 1230s, Rabbi Meir ben Simon of Narbonne wrote an epistle (included in his Milhhemet Mitzvah) against his contemporaries, the early Kabbalists, characterizing them as blasphemers who even approach heresy. He particularly singled out the Sefer Bahir, rejecting the attribution of its authorship to the tanna R. Nehhunya ben ha-Kanah and describing some of its content as truly heretical.
Rabbi Yaakov Emden, 1697-1776, wrote the book Mitpahhath Sfarim (Scarf/Veil of the Books), a detailed critique of the Zohar in which he concludes that certain parts of the Zohar contain heretical teaching and therefore could not have been written by Rabbi Shimon ben Yochai.
Secondly, it is horrible how brainwashed you are in writing that the Rabbi's wife and daughter are not to be believed because they are female! The rule of testimony only applies to Jewish Court preceedings (such as contracts, punishments and fines) but does not apply at all to investigating the truth of events that have nothing to do with such court preceedings. This case is an investigation into the authorship of the Zohar, and has nothing at all to do with a Jewish Court System and no Court System was ever constructed in these cases so women are believed in this case as well as all investigations of this nature not involving a court. Why would the Rabbis own wife and daughter say that the Rabbi made up the work himself when they were offered large sums of money to show the manuscript? This proves that he made it up. (Even if you personally still don't trust women to prove things in any event, this event should at least almost prove that the guy made it up.) And yes, I do think that many of the Kabbalists believe in stuff bordering on heresy or outright heresy like the Rabbis above stated and I follow the Rambam over anything the Kabbalists say (did u know the zohar says that G-d has several parts which is heresy). And I do believe that many of these stories of the Kabbalists learning with angels are made up as well.
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The Gedolim do not work like a Sanhedrin.
Some rabbis do not agree with the kabbalah post talmud, others do. Most do. Anybody can quote rabbis from either side. Some may accept some aspects of kabbalah and not others.
Rabbi Dovid Gottlieb of Ohr said that it is a principle from the talmud that everybody should have a Rebbe. And if one asked him something, one is bound by their response.
Interestingly, Rabbi Meir Kahane ztl hyd had a rebbe. But he only asked him if he was not sure of something. As a rabbi, with alot of knowledge, he made his own decisions. In his words, his smicha did not come with a telephone number.
A related story was something about some religious jews who followed Kahane refused to come out of some bunker. And they were willing to die there or something. Rabbi Meir Kahane repeatedly asked them "Who is your rabbi". Until they answered him. They said it was him and then followed his advice. He joined them and they protected the bunker for some time. The story is something like that anyway!
jdl4ever:
To answer your question, I have not yet found a Rabbi I trust to ask all questions to and to follow on all issues. They are all nothing close to the Rav. I have however found Rabbis that I trust to ask questions on straight forward Halachot that I am not sure on. However, I only asked a few questions as I follow the Rav's advice to only ask questions on things you do not know yourself. Most of the Torah I found to be straight forward, only things I don't have time to study I ask if I need an answer.
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