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Offline White Israelite

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We need a militia for Jews
« on: September 19, 2007, 11:16:18 AM »
We need another camp like this. I have many ideas myself on training. Alright so it shouldn't be like the Islamic camps where the guys swing on monkey bars and what not but a serious camp for teaching Jews self defense. I think it would prove appropriate if there were classes to learn how to shoot different types of guns, be it AK47's, M16's, SKS, Galils, different handguns that are commonly used like the Beretta M9, Glock series, SIG series, etc. Shooting them would help users become familiar how to use each gun and zeroing in the sights and what not. Also learning the different setups of each gun as AK47's have different safety and mag release than say a M16.

Field stripping these guns would prove useful if one were to ever encounter a enemies gun and had to use it and shoot it or learn to field strip it. Also to shoot different calibers to be proficient and used to the recoil of different types of guns. Identifying ammunition and magazines to know which gun they belong to.

Training could involve identification of different camouflage patterns to know who the enemy is or what not. Perhaps learning to sew and making your own Load Bearing Vests or sewing on new patches to an existing LBV if it isn't a MOLLE setup. There are many different configurations available on http://www.zahal.org if anyone wants these vests, I have one myself.

Boots are necessary, get used to walking in boots because they will be good for walking long distances and climbing up uneven surfaces like rocks and mountains or what not.

Camping, I think camping will be important and surviving on limited food rations as well as areas where Jews may need to hide out in the event SHTF. Food rationing will be important, when we had the hurricane here in Florida, almost all the food stores were sold out and there was plenty of looting. From my understanding, Judaism prohibits hunting as it is considered cruel and unusual and also most of the food wouldn't be considered Kosher although there are a few animals that could be considered Kosher. By shooting it, wouldn't this be violated proper slaughter procedures? If not, hunting and fishing may be useful for collecting food when in need of emergency supplies or as backup.

Flashlights are important, check out surefire aluminum flashlights, durable as heck, lightweight, and very portable.

Training in a firefight, there are several ways to do this safely. There should be simulation of what would happen in a firefight, how one reacts under pressure and adrenaline rush and keeping cover. Paintball could be useful but they are not realistic in terms of reloading although they will leave a nice welt. I played paintball for a few years in the woods and it was good for learning how to keep cover from getting hit and teamwork as well as communication. Airsoft could prove very useful, Airsoft is similar to paintball in respects they are 1:1 replicas of the real deal and even accept magazines and field strip like a real gun. More information here.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airsoft

There are different areas that could prove useful for training, the woods and perhaps could build structures like buildings or what not. Communication is very important.

Hand to hand combat, like KAPAP, Krav Maga, Systema, etc. Military martial arts would prove useful if you are ever in a situation where you cannot get a clear shot on someone as they are too close by or you do not have access to a gun. Unfortunately the version of Krav Maga taught in the states is a watered down version mainly for civilian use. You can learn the real stuff in Israel though.

I think that preparing for the worse is important, it will happen sooner or later and we should not sit around talking because otherwise we are just floating ducks taking shots. How many Jewish community centers have been invaded by Neo Nazis or muslims and killed innocent people in the last few years? I can think of several.

Not only is this useful for self defense and to become dependent in different situations, but it could certainly help if the SHTF and we end up in a situation where there is an economic collapse in this country, pogroms against Jews, another hurricane Katrina, or some sort of overthrow of the government in which case we will need to know how to fight.

To get this rolling, we would need land, we would probably want it to be rural where there is not a lot of people around, we would need it in a area with very lax gun control laws (in the south), and permits for setting up buildings. We would also need funding for the weapons and to pay those who want to participate. Probably need insurance as well if the paintball thing was done. Also would need funds for weapons, we would need to keep legal and that would mean semi-auto firearms stored in a safe place with identification and inventory so we know who rented which gun. We need to make sure the people renting the guns for training are legal as well and not convicted felons or prohibited from firing a gun, as much as I disagree with current gun laws, we must remain legal. It could end up an expensive project but I would hope this could be doable with planning and funding.

Living quarters would be a good idea since the courses would probably be several weeks of training and would need to provide a place for people to sleep.

My idea of rural would be somewhere like West Virginia or Alabama in areas that are very open and lots of trees. Northern Wisconsin would be good too but the gun laws are too strict there.

There are hundreds of different Neo Nazi militant groups and Islamic groups in the United States. Why do we not have something to counter their attacks? These folks are serving in the military getting training while being paid and then going on to teach others once they get out of the service to fight. We cannot underestimate the enemy and must be prepared.

There are legal issues to consider. The government does have a habit of infiltrating groups like this generally to make sure nothing illegal is going on which is why I stress that everything needs to be double, even triple checked that there is nothing that breaks the law. Recently a militia in Alabama was busted on having explosives or what not, we don't need a situation like that. The JPFO also provides various videos of the ATF trying to claim an individuals semi automatic rifle is illegal and try to bust them for it. We don't need a waco happening at a camp like this and with the mainstream media being so hostile towards Zionism to begin with, it wouldn't make good news though a situation like that would probably be kept hush hush.

A camp like this should be open to all Jews, orthodox, conservative, secular as long as they are dedicated to Israel and the survival of the Jewish people. Hitler killed people with only a Jewish grandparent and it is necessary that it doesn't happen again in the future.
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Re: We need a militia for Jews
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2007, 12:26:28 PM »
Totally agreed! If you need an instructor, let me know, I have 8 years military service under my belt!

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« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2007, 03:21:24 PM »
Come on guys, anyone else interested in this idea?

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« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2007, 03:24:05 PM »
I'd consider working with legitimate righteous Gentiles too, even if they have no Jewish Ancestry, like Newman.

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« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2007, 03:29:19 PM »
I'd consider working with legitimate righteous Gentiles too, even if they have no Jewish Ancestry, like Newman.

I think that would work, Noahides could be invited as well. In the event a war breaks out in the US, Nazis will be targeting Noahides and Zionist supporters as well.

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« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2007, 03:55:14 AM »
I'd consider working with legitimate righteous Gentiles too, even if they have no Jewish Ancestry, like Newman.

I think that would work, Noahides could be invited as well. In the event a war breaks out in the US, Nazis will be targeting Noahides and Zionist supporters as well.

You mean neo nazis, muslim nazis or NWO nazis? Well propably all. That's good idea.
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14 Why are we sitting here? Gather together! Let us flee to the fortified cities and perish there! For the LORD our God has doomed us to perish and given us poisoned water to drink, because we have sinned against him.

15 We hoped for peace but no good has come, for a time of healing but there was only terror.

16 The snorting of the enemy's horses is heard from Dan; at the neighing of their stallions the whole land trembles. They have come to devour the land and everything in it, the city and all who live there.

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Re: We need a militia for Jews
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2007, 06:30:14 AM »
You've got Serb support aswell. I myself am familiar with the AK 47 and its Serbian sister rifle Zastava, Also Snipers the Zastava M76. costs about 300$. If the s h i t hits the fan I'm in;)

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« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2007, 01:58:39 PM »
You've got Serb support aswell. I myself am familiar with the AK 47 and its Serbian sister rifle Zastava, Also Snipers the Zastava M76. costs about 300$. If the s h i t hits the fan I'm in;)

Sounds good, I know the serbs suffered from the muslims big time, I seen those videos what they did to Serbs when capturing them, and it was barbaric. They are disgusting individuals and we made a big mistake by not attacking Bosnia instead.

I've got a few projects lined up right now. I've got my H&K USP .45 acp pistol, my Galil .223 rifle and i'm going to the gun show this week to pick up a few SKS and some more handguns. Maybe it's just me but I can't stand the M4, it's light weight, very accurate, and accepts some cool optics but other than that, I feel it isn't very reliable and I would hate to have to field strip one if SHTF and i'm stuck in the battlefield.

The AK47 is a great gun despite what some people say that it's a POS, very reliable, simple to use, and will function pretty much anywhere under any conditions. I've seen videos of people firing the damn thing on full auto where they had a Class III and the barrel started on fire from getting so hot yet the gun still continued to fire. I don't think any other series of guns could do the same without exploding.

People might be picky on where a gun comes from, I personally know a few Jewish folks who will not touch a Austrian or German gun under any conditions (H&K, Walther, Glock, Steyr) and they are missing out on a lot of fine guns. To me, a gun has no nationality. Use whatever you can because it may save your life.

Regarding the threat, I think we are threatened by several different factions, Muslims yes they are one of them, I am sure many of them smuggle weapons into mosques, Neo Nazis are a large problem as well, these guys are armed and trained, many of them are preparing in martial arts (including Krav Maga, an Israeli martial arts) and even using Israeli guns (Uzi, Galil), don't underestimate these guys, just because they are our enemy doesn't make them stupid. They know full well what they are doing. I think these guys may be more of a threat to us than muslims. A lot of these guys are obsessed with physical appearance and working out which is smart, training and learning how to use weapons, etc. I think we need to do the same, quite frankly I can almost guarantee that there are more Neo Nazis than there are Jews. Think of how many Kahanist Jews there are and narrow it down. Take that to a level of militant Jews and that's a very small number. We do not have the numbers they do and that is why it is important we learn to fight back if it ever comes down to that. I've heard the response before "You don't need weapons, all you need is G-d". Yes we do need G-d I agree but what about the holocaust? Jews were being killed while praying to G-d, we have to want to live and want to fight back to survive as well.

I've got a large sum of funds that will be used for weaponry because I feel weapons are a very important part to survival. Now some people may argue why I need so many, different job and I prefer a different caliber or type of gun plus they are fun to collect.

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« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2007, 07:55:39 PM »
why do you think boots are necessary? just curious...

I have done a lot of backpacking (spent about 5 months long distance hiking).

Conventional wisdom says you must have boots, but at least for backpacking and camping, it is total B.S.

Running shoes or even high top cross trainers will shave about 2.5lbs off of your carrying weight which is a lot when you multiply it over many steps (also considering the weight is on your feet).  Yeah, you could twist your ankle, but if you work out regularly and have good balance, your ankles get pretty strong. At least in my experience, the pluses of lightweight footwear highly outweigh the drawbacks.

True, you might need boots if you are carrying over 40 or 50lbs of gear, depending on what condition you are in but I would probably tend towards a light configuration (at least for a prolonged situation with lots of walking/running movement)...Meaning minimal equipment for lightweight/mobility and decrease in fatigue, blisters etc...

I am wondering if this might carry over to combat...I personally would probably feel more comfortable and mobile in a pair of basketball shoes, cross-trainers, or even running shoes.



I definitely want to learn this stuff...I went shooting recently for the first time and it was very fun...shot some .45 and 9mm


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« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2007, 08:05:18 PM »
This organisation is non-racist, non-political and non-antisemitic. Anyone can form their own militia with their training system.

I recommend a look at this site:

http://kissata.homestead.com/


BTW:......

I also discourage army boots and camo fatigues for citizens militias unless concealment traing in the boonies is being done. It just frightens the populace unneccessarily. Wear kahki cargo pants, hiking boots and maybe a mil-surp' jacket. Same effectiveness for most situations without bringing undue attention to yourselves.

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« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2007, 08:31:38 PM »
Weapons also hold their value when dirt hits the fan.

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« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2007, 08:42:03 PM »
Militias which are not a complete and total secret are first infiltrated by Federal Agents from the BATF and FBI without the militia's knowledge.

This is always followed by a huge public bust and prison sentences, the result of a long and determined agent provocateur campaign whereby the Federal Agents eventually coax the least mentally stable and least centered member or members to break Federal laws.

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unless the militia in question is a Muslim militia planning to stage jihad inside America...in this case, FBI agents come and eat a picnic lunch with you, have photos taken, and make sure that they haven't "offended Muslim sensitivities"


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« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2007, 09:04:27 PM »
Mass, you are 100% right.Its the FBI s best game.Unless your an islamic terrorist

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« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2007, 09:30:11 PM »
Militiamen can only get busted for breaking the law.

The ones who get busted do the following:

Make explosives

Stockpile components to make explosives

Obtain automatic weapons without proper permits

Manufacture/ convert automatic weapons without proper permits

Provided you do none of the above or break any other laws, you have nothing to fear. KISSATA strongly opposes breaking any state/ federal laws (apart from unconstitutional ones like gun bans).

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« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2007, 09:32:41 PM »
Yes Newman ,but trust me the minute you are known as a militia you are a target.However you are right,if you are a non violent militia you safe.And that is good.

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« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2007, 12:37:59 AM »
Yes!

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« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2007, 01:35:38 AM »
Newman,

With all due respect, it is not uncommon for such groups to suddenly be raided, with a warrant for one member, and most if not all members arrested at the same time, for any number of "imaginary" charges including "suspicion of conspiracy to ......" "suspicion of possession of outlawed weapons...", etc...

Shortly after being booked, and indicted, the member whose warrant caused all to be busted "disappears into nowhere", and at the next lawyers counsel meeting the indicted member is informed that the vanishing member was a government agent & informer, off and away on his next mission.

Suddenly, evidence is presented which was planted by the arresting officers & agents...all kinds of illegal weaponry, military weaponry, drugs, pornography.....

And there is no way whatsoever to prove that the "militia" members never posssessed any of those contraband, because two or three lying Feds will testify under oath that all the contraband was in possession of the suspects, etc. etc...

The judge will have predetermined the guilt of all long before the trial ever begins.

Sentencing will be harsh and severe.

Chances are good that the "leaders" will meet a violent stabbing or beating death during the first few days of prison (also prearranged to happen by the authorities...especially if you're a Jew).

This scenario is played out with great regularity in the United States.

The authorities don't need any evidence of illegal activities...they just create all the evidence needed to imprison any and all "political threats".

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« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2007, 02:45:26 AM »
Then perhaps we can keep it to those with Jewish background. Perhaps we can setup a website with directions to an office. People that signup are screened and when they are accepted, we will disclose the address to those who signed up. Doing nothing however isn't going to fix anything. We are sitting ducks right now and I think we need to be prepared for the worst. There are ways to keep it secretive.

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« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2007, 03:36:47 AM »
I completely love the idea!!!

Im in. Just too bad the damn australian governmen t is soo damned strict on weapons...oh well, suppose ill head to the US then

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« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2007, 04:06:41 AM »
Then perhaps we can keep it to those with Jewish background. Perhaps we can setup a website with directions to an office. People that signup are screened and when they are accepted, we will disclose the address to those who signed up. Doing nothing however isn't going to fix anything. We are sitting ducks right now and I think we need to be prepared for the worst. There are ways to keep it secretive.

They're govermntal informers among the Jews too; you have to extra carefull in recruiting; not accepting strangers, mentaly ills or overzelous types; not doing some stupid things like explosive and machine weapons manufacture or storing; and always be 110% legal and you'll be well; But best thing to do is to join military or law enforcment agencies first.
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11 They dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious. Peace, peace, they say, when there is no peace.

12 Are they ashamed of their loathsome conduct? No, they have no shame at all; they do not even know how to blush. So they will fall among the fallen; they will be brought down when they are punished, says the LORD.

13 'I will take away their harvest, declares the LORD. There will be no grapes on the vine. There will be no figs on the tree, and their leaves will wither. What I have given them will be taken from them.'

14 Why are we sitting here? Gather together! Let us flee to the fortified cities and perish there! For the LORD our God has doomed us to perish and given us poisoned water to drink, because we have sinned against him.

15 We hoped for peace but no good has come, for a time of healing but there was only terror.

16 The snorting of the enemy's horses is heard from Dan; at the neighing of their stallions the whole land trembles. They have come to devour the land and everything in it, the city and all who live there.

17 See, I will send venomous snakes among you, vipers that cannot be charmed, and they will bite you, declares the LORD.

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« Reply #20 on: September 25, 2007, 06:06:08 AM »
Newmna, seems like us in AU need to do something similiar eh? We've got about 5million square kilometers of potential ground to base our facilities. bloody gun regulation!

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« Reply #21 on: September 25, 2007, 09:56:03 AM »
Cohen:  "There are ways to keep it secretive."

Keep what?

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« Reply #22 on: September 25, 2007, 02:18:32 PM »
Then perhaps we can keep it to those with Jewish background. Perhaps we can setup a website with directions to an office. People that signup are screened and when they are accepted, we will disclose the address to those who signed up. Doing nothing however isn't going to fix anything. We are sitting ducks right now and I think we need to be prepared for the worst. There are ways to keep it secretive.

They're govermntal informers among the Jews too; you have to extra carefull in recruiting; not accepting strangers, mentaly ills or overzelous types; not doing some stupid things like explosive and machine weapons manufacture or storing; and always be 110% legal and you'll be well; But best thing to do is to join military or law enforcment agencies first.

Oh absolutely, I was watching a video by the JPFO (Jews For Preservation of Firearm Ownership) on how corrupt the ATF is and how they would attach foreign objects to military surplus kits and claim that the person had a machine gun in posession despite the fact the guns fell apart and they needed to wield on parts to make it functional. They also tried to send an innocent man to prison who had an FN FAL and after about 15 shots, the FAL was slamfiring expending an entire magazine. The ATF agent admitted he never took apart the gun, a weapons expert took apart the FAL and saw the spring was disintegrating from use and causing the firing pin to protrude causing the primer to be hit everytime it got loaded into the chamber. A very dangerous practice as the gun could have been fatal.

Our laws do not allow import into the country a so called assault weapon unless it is manufactured domestically. A common practice (for example), Galils are banned for import into the country by name, only about 2,000 made it in imported by Action Arms, Magnum Research and a few other companys. Now the only way to get a Galil is to order an American receiver with a old parts kit imported from Guatemala that was used by some rebels. A lot of these kits are beat up and were at one time fully automatic, a lot of times the kits come with the parts to make these a fully automatic machine gun, but it is not a machine gun until it is assembled with these parts. Generally when you put these together, you have to have 5 American parts to make it legal.

One of the reasons I advised having the weapons in a armory is we know who's using the guns and who's renting them out, they will remain legal by staying semi-automatic. We can also avoid legal trouble by making sure we are not accepting any felons into the camp. We can make restrictions what they are bringing into the camp. I'm sure theres a way to keep it legal, we just need to know who we are letting in. If members brought their own firearms, we could probably require they fire the gun and make sure those are legal as well to avoid any trouble. Several militant type groups exist yet have not been shut down by the ATF, I believe it's nothing more than scare tactics. There was a camp at one point called Camp Meir Kahane and they seemed to run witthout having any problems?

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« Reply #23 on: September 25, 2007, 10:05:57 PM »
I like the idea as well.  I agree that you got to keep it secretive and only PM information to those you trust in real life and on the forum. I don't trust the gov't as they tend to close these Kahane following groups down and arrest all the members with trumped up charges like saying one of them was found having a KahaneChai flier from 17 years ago and was planning on remaking kahanechai or some nonsense like that.  Or they could just arrest you with fake charges and drop the fake charges a while later but in the mean time, you got to go to jail and bail yourself out and waste your time in court.  Or you were trespassing on some gov't owned property when you were shooting, you get the point, I don't trust them.  (And I agree that 2 JDL people were killed in prison and the gov't probably planned it).
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« Reply #24 on: September 26, 2007, 04:51:44 AM »
I'm actually in favor of keeping the camp as small as possible. The closest men, so we don't even got to think about informants etc.