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The Noahide Case Against Islam
Israel Chai:
--- Quote from: Binyamin Yisrael on May 14, 2018, 04:29:14 PM ---Islam is not idolatry. But it has other problems. It's not idolatry for anyone. Xtianity is idolatry for Jews but there is a debate whether it is idolatry for goyim. But whether it is idolatry or doesn't make it permitted. There are other problems with those religions such as false prophesy. In Islam, there is also theft and murder.
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Just as big Rabbis as Rambam, like Ramban who was in the same era said it's 100% idolatry, whoever says shahada has no share in the world to come without teshuva. Rambam is the minority opinion here. The evidence that it is idolatry is overwhelming, and in the sentence Rambam says "their error is not idolatry", he continues with "I can not say what I want to for fear of the Jewish informants", so it's as credible as the Rabbis in Europe who says Xtianity isn't.
Hrvatski Noahid:
--- Quote from: Binyamin Yisrael on May 14, 2018, 04:29:14 PM ---Islam is not idolatry. But it has other problems. It's not idolatry for anyone. Xtianity is idolatry for Jews but there is a debate whether it is idolatry for goyim. But whether it is idolatry or doesn't make it permitted. There are other problems with those religions such as false prophesy. In Islam, there is also theft and murder.
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After the commandments of the Torah and their explanations were given by G-d at Mount Sinai, people do not have permission from G-d to create any new religions. This is an outcome of G-d's promise that the Torah of Moses is eternal, and His commandment that it must not be changed by mankind.
The main opinion is that a Gentile is liable for actually worshiping an intermediary.
Hrvatski Noahid:
--- Quote from: Israel Chai on May 14, 2018, 04:57:40 PM ---Just as big Rabbis as Rambam, like Ramban who was in the same era said it's 100% idolatry, whoever says shahada has no share in the world to come without teshuva. Rambam is the minority opinion here. The evidence that it is idolatry is overwhelming, and in the sentence Rambam says "their error is not idolatry", he continues with "I can not say what I want to for fear of the Jewish informants", so it's as credible as the Rabbis in Europe who says Xtianity isn't.
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Believers in post-Sinai doctrines are deniers of Torah and deviant believers and are not among those who keep the Seven Noahide Commandments.
Israel Chai:
--- Quote from: Hrvatski Noahid on May 15, 2018, 12:15:38 AM ---Believers in post-Sinai doctrines are deniers of Torah and deviant believers and are not among those who keep the Seven Noahide Commandments.
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Right, we're talking specficially about idolatry though, is the religion promoting a clear path to G-d without idolatrous practices. Ramban would say yes vehemently.
Hrvatski Noahid:
--- Quote from: Israel Chai on May 15, 2018, 12:40:06 AM ---Right, we're talking specficially about idolatry though, is the religion promoting a clear path to G-d without idolatrous practices. Ramban would say yes vehemently.
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Rambam Laws of Forbidden Foods 11:7; Tur Yoreh De'ah ch. 124 in the name of Rashba and the Gaonim; Beit Yosef and Rema Yoreh De'ah 146:5, all rule that Muslims are not idolaters.
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